[alsorkin]

Well here goes my first post here. Thanks mods for giving me the go-ahead.

Hey turbobb, I'm also searching for a Tx that features aptX Adaptive and so far also not seeing one in my search.

Additionally, I'm on the hunt for a decent pair of TWS that support aptX Adaptive but also support an ambient pass-thru mode. Want them for TV viewing and also for biking safely so being able to toggle between isolation and hearing surroundings when biking is important for me. I thought this was another unicorn I was searching for but interestingly I see you mentioned that SoundPEATS TrueAir 2 has aptX Adaptive. If true, then these would be the unicorn I am searching for since by design they physically do not provide isolation and allow me to cycle, enjoy music and hear surrounding traffic.

I also own the SoundPEATS TrueAir 2. They are excellent for biking but not for TV with the Taotronics Tx unit I own which only supports aptX and aptX ll. https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B07NQ52J76/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

But I am questioning if the TrueAir2 do indeed have aptX Adaptive enabled...

Described as: SoundPEATS TrueAir2 Wireless Earbuds Bluetooth V5.2 Headphones with Qualcomm QCC3040

Qualcomm's site indicates QC3040 supports aptX but no mention of Adapive ... https://www.qualcomm.com/products/qcc3040
"Qualcomm® aptX™ audio playback support: Qualcomm® aptX™ "

Qualcomm's site does say that QCC304x,enables Qualcomm® aptX™ Adaptive - so possibly it is not used by SoundPEATS TrueAir2 but can be enabled
"Qualcomm TrueWireless Mirroring, featured on the QCC304x and QCC305x, enables Qualcomm® aptX™ Adaptive audio for the first time in earbuds"

Also in reviews posted on this site it is noted that aptX Adaptive appears to be lacking on the TrueAir2....

https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/so...lcomm-qcc3040.24797/reviews#item-review-24864
"The box is almost identical to the Sonic, which I reviewed here. It advertises the 25 hour battery and QCC3040 chipset. No mention of aptx-adaptive."

https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/soundpeats-sonic-tws.24787/reviews#item-review-24832
"The Sonic feature aptx-adaptive, and the BT5.2 Qualcomm QCC3040 chip is also present in the TA2. We only get aptX on the TA2, but the chip I would imagine could allow for software enhancements in the future."

"a decent pair of TWS that support aptX Adaptive but also support an ambient pass-thru mode"
How about Noble Audio - FALCON PRO True Wireless IEMs.
https://www.nobleaudio.com/wireless/p/falcon-pro

 

[johnston21]

Fii0 announced:
“K9 Pro Supports Bluetooth input and also encoding in aptX adaptive format; if your headset also supports aptX adaptive Bluetooth input and also encoding in aptX adaptive format”

This may be the 1’st, but you’ll need to be willing for the amp aspect and wait till release (April?)

https://www.head-fi.org/threads/fiio-k9-pro-hi-fi-deskdop-dac-bluetooth-amplifier，xlr-rca-4-4-optical-coaxial-interface.952664/post-16156822

 

[Devodonaldson]

"a decent pair of TWS that support aptX Adaptive but also support an ambient pass-thru mode"
How about Noble Audio - FALCON PRO True Wireless IEMs.
https://www.nobleaudio.com/wireless/p/falcon-pro

Listening to my falcon pro as I read this at work

 

[alsorkin]

Listening to my falcon pro as I read this at work

Good......how do you find it's comfort with supplied tips and sound quality? Mine arriving in couple of days.

 

[Devodonaldson]

Good......how do you find it's comfort with supplied tips and sound quality? Mine arriving in couple of days.

Comfort is very good, as the tips are very thin. However, I found the treble to have too much sibilance. The wide bore tips let all the audio through, and the treble can be too harsh. I use final audio type e tips. These have a small bore. Mids and lows shine through well, and treble brightness is reduced to lovable levels. I suggest purchasing some final e tips. I use a small in my left ear and a medium in my right. Gives a good seal, and not too tight qirh the longer nozzle. I prefer spiral dots on my other iems, but these have a greater treble. I actually appreciate the increased treble because with AAC and APTX it is the upper frequencies that lose info do the lower bit depth/compression. This tuning makes up for a lot of that. Wirh Final E tips, I find no need to use the app to eq, and using the eq, lowers the overall signal a bit.

 

[alsorkin]

Comfort is very good, as the tips are very thin. However, I found the treble to have too much sibilance. The wide bore tips let all the audio through, and the treble can be too harsh. I use final audio type e tips. These have a small bore. Mids and lows shine through well, and treble brightness is reduced to lovable levels. I suggest purchasing some final e tips. I use a small in my left ear and a medium in my right. Gives a good seal, and not too tight qirh the longer nozzle. I prefer spiral dots on my other iems, but these have a greater treble. I actually appreciate the increased treble because with AAC and APTX it is the upper frequencies that lose info do the lower bit depth/compression. This tuning makes up for a lot of that. Wirh Final E tips, I find no need to use the app to eq, and using the eq, lowers the overall signal a bit.

So happens I do have Final Type E Tips that came with my Empire Ears Hero IEM. I appreciate your feedback!

 

[turbobb]

@Ggg99 - welcome to the forum! Re: the TrueAir2 I was reasonably certain that I saw somewhere that it supported Adaptive ahead of purchasing it and I suppose it's because of two things:
1) it features the QCC3040 chip - though the main page you linked doesn't cite Adaptive support, the matrix on the second page of the Featured Documents (on right side of that page) shows that it does
2) on aptx.com it shows the TrueAir2 as a model supporting Adaptive: http://www.aptx.com/products/soundpeats-true-air-2

However, I searched the Q&A section on the Amazon product page and SoundPeats replied that it in fact doesn't have Adaptive:
Q: What's the latency on these earbuds? Anybody have a practical average? I know qualcomm has it listed as one of their aptx adaptives as 40-80.
A: Dear Customer,

The TrueAir2 is with aptX, not aptX-LL or aptX adaptive. Thanks.
Please feel free to contact us through Amazon message or here for any additional information needed.
By SoundPEATS Audio Customer Care on November 19, 2020

Bummer, the hunt is on again (like I need an excuse to look for another TWS... - the TRN T300 looks interesting and has the QCC3046 but I just need to confirm that it in fact supports Adaptive).

At least for now, I can use the TrueAir2 to test LC3 codec (supposedly only 5ms latency!) with the Intel BT 5.2 adapter I just got - if that holds true I may not need to go down the rabbit hole of Adaptive. But if not then it looks like the Fiio K9 Pro that @johnston21 linked seems promising (albeit a bit more than I care to spend on) - I asked for clarification on that thread since Fiio mentioned BT "input" which I interpret to mean that it's a Rx not Tx.

 

[FiiO Willson]

Fii0 announced:
“K9 Pro Supports Bluetooth input and also encoding in aptX adaptive format; if your headset also supports aptX adaptive Bluetooth input and also encoding in aptX adaptive format”

This may be the 1’st, but you’ll need to be willing for the amp aspect and wait till release (April?)

https://www.head-fi.org/threads/fiio-k9-pro-hi-fi-deskdop-dac-bluetooth-amplifier，xlr-rca-4-4-optical-coaxial-interface.952664/post-16156822

Sorry, Only Support Bluetooth input in aptx adaptive format.

 

[FiiO Willson]

Well here goes my first post here. Thanks mods for giving me the go-ahead.

Hey turbobb, I'm also searching for a Tx that features aptX Adaptive and so far also not seeing one in my search.

Additionally, I'm on the hunt for a decent pair of TWS that support aptX Adaptive but also support an ambient pass-thru mode. Want them for TV viewing and also for biking safely so being able to toggle between isolation and hearing surroundings when biking is important for me. I thought this was another unicorn I was searching for but interestingly I see you mentioned that SoundPEATS TrueAir 2 has aptX Adaptive. If true, then these would be the unicorn I am searching for since by design they physically do not provide isolation and allow me to cycle, enjoy music and hear surrounding traffic.

I also own the SoundPEATS TrueAir 2. They are excellent for biking but not for TV with the Taotronics Tx unit I own which only supports aptX and aptX ll. https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B07NQ52J76/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

But I am questioning if the TrueAir2 do indeed have aptX Adaptive enabled...

Described as: SoundPEATS TrueAir2 Wireless Earbuds Bluetooth V5.2 Headphones with Qualcomm QCC3040

Qualcomm's site indicates QC3040 supports aptX but no mention of Adapive ... https://www.qualcomm.com/products/qcc3040
"Qualcomm® aptX™ audio playback support: Qualcomm® aptX™ "

Qualcomm's site does say that QCC304x,enables Qualcomm® aptX™ Adaptive - so possibly it is not used by SoundPEATS TrueAir2 but can be enabled
"Qualcomm TrueWireless Mirroring, featured on the QCC304x and QCC305x, enables Qualcomm® aptX™ Adaptive audio for the first time in earbuds"

Also in reviews posted on this site it is noted that aptX Adaptive appears to be lacking on the TrueAir2....

https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/so...lcomm-qcc3040.24797/reviews#item-review-24864
"The box is almost identical to the Sonic, which I reviewed here. It advertises the 25 hour battery and QCC3040 chipset. No mention of aptx-adaptive."

https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/soundpeats-sonic-tws.24787/reviews#item-review-24832
"The Sonic feature aptx-adaptive, and the BT5.2 Qualcomm QCC3040 chip is also present in the TA2. We only get aptX on the TA2, but the chip I would imagine could allow for software enhancements in the future."

I'm searching Bluetooth transmitters for the PC to send aptX adaptive LPCM audio to my DAC (thinking Qudelix-5K here). For some reason description on transmitters is always vague or ambiguous.

Hello,

As a product manager of a Bluetooth-related HiFi company, I would be happy to talk to you about this requirement.

It just so happens that we have a BTA30 that supports both transmit and receive, but unfortunately it does not support aptX adaptive, only aptX & aptX low latency &aptX HD& LDAC & SBC & AAC

I would say that there is no better solution that supports all Bluetooth formats. I understand that there are already companies that can support Bluetooth transmitting using the QCC51xx, but they are still in the sample stage and there are no mature products yet.
To make matters more difficult, it is not possible to implement LDAC transmit on the QCC51xx, and this is far more attractive than aptX adaptive

Thus creating a phenomenon where
1, the average consumer does not care much about having aptX adaptive transmitting devices, they even prefer SBC/AAC, in which case the average manufacturer's product using the QCC51xx chip is more concerned with improving connectivity and compatibility
2, HiFi factories like ours would not start using QCC51xx solutions if they had not finished supporting LDAC, compared to the CSR8675, which is better suited to most target users

For FiiO users, if the BTA30 is upgraded, it must also support LDAC, so we also have to solve the LDAC TX problem, of course, if we can get it done on the QCC51xx chip is the best, if not, we can only use CSR8675, which is very realistic

So I don't think you can find such a device with the ability to transmit aptX adaptvie for the time being.
Of course, if you have found such a technology that enables LDAC transmission on QCC series chips, you can contact me and we would like to work with them.

 

[Ggg99]

Hello,

As a product manager of a Bluetooth-related HiFi company, I would be happy to talk to you about this requirement.

It just so happens that we have a BTA30 that supports both transmit and receive, but unfortunately it does not support aptX adaptive, only aptX & aptX low latency &aptX HD& LDAC & SBC & AAC

I would say that there is no better solution that supports all Bluetooth formats. I understand that there are already companies that can support Bluetooth transmitting using the QCC51xx, but they are still in the sample stage and there are no mature products yet.
To make matters more difficult, it is not possible to implement LDAC transmit on the QCC51xx, and this is far more attractive than aptX adaptive

Thus creating a phenomenon where
1, the average consumer does not care much about having aptX adaptive transmitting devices, they even prefer SBC/AAC, in which case the average manufacturer's product using the QCC51xx chip is more concerned with improving connectivity and compatibility
2, HiFi factories like ours would not start using QCC51xx solutions if they had not finished supporting LDAC, compared to the CSR8675, which is better suited to most target users

For FiiO users, if the BTA30 is upgraded, it must also support LDAC, so we also have to solve the LDAC TX problem, of course, if we can get it done on the QCC51xx chip is the best, if not, we can only use CSR8675, which is very realistic

So I don't think you can find such a device with the ability to transmit aptX adaptvie for the time being.
Of course, if you have found such a technology that enables LDAC transmission on QCC series chips, you can contact me and we would like to work with them.

Somewhat confusing post generally. Specifically, did you come to this conclusion....

the average consumer does not care much about having aptX adaptive transmitting devices

 

[johnston21]

I have the Falcon Pros on the way and anticipate them to be compatible with my BTA30 only up to aptx HD, not LL. I have my 847s connected with Shure’s BT2 for TV but would be nice if a TWS had similar non-lag performance.

 

[alsorkin]

I have the Falcon Pros on the way and anticipate them to be compatible with my BTA30 only up to aptx HD, not LL. I have my 847s connected with Shure’s BT2 for TV but would be nice if a TWS had similar non-lag performance.

The Noble Falcon Pro has APTX Adaptive which will operate with your trasmitter to be lag free.

 

[turbobb]

The Noble Falcon Pro has APTX Adaptive which will operate with your trasmitter to be lag free.

However, sadly the BTA30 doesn't support Adaptive; as of today there are no standalone (i.e. excluding smartphones) Adaptive Tx that I'm aware of.

 

[alsorkin]

However, sadly the BTA30 doesn't support Adaptive; as of today there are no standalone (i.e. excluding smartphones) Adaptive Tx that I'm aware of.

I don't believe you understand that the Noble Adaptive receiver will enable the lag free LL equivalent performance that it receives from the transmitter.

 

[turbobb]

@alsorkin - I was under the impression that since aptX Adaptive is a codec (as with all the other aptX flavors) both the TX and Rx need to support it, else it'd just default to regular aptX; are you saying that Adaptive would work as long as just the Rx has it? I assume you have the Falcon now - have you been able to validate its latency vs. regular aptX?

This would be very interesting as then there'd be no need to hunt for an Adaptive Tx.

Thx!