Audio Technica ATH-W2002 vs. Sony MDR-R10: NOW IT CAN BE TOLD!
Feb 26, 2002 at 12:08 AM Post #16 of 78
Hey, guys, this is getting ugly. Here's my 2 cents...

I want to see reviews that compare headphones. You can't "review" something meaningfully without comparing it to something else. Without a comparison, it's just either a diatribe or ad copy. This is why Tomcat's review is weak -- it's mostly just praise. It doesn't answer questions like "is the W100 more forward than Grados?" and "is the W100 brighter than Senns?", which is the sort of thing I want to know when I'm trying to decide on a headphone. This is the reason Spad's review comparing the W2002 to the Etys is so helpful. This is also why Markl's review comparing the W2002 to the R10 is helpful.

From reading Markl's review, I felt I got a good sense of the differences between the W2002 and the R10. This is valuable. Markl talks about how the W2002 is more forward than the R10; that's good to know. He talks about how the bass is better on the W2002. That's good to know too. Finally, he talks about the midrange problem that Kurt also noticed. For midrange fanatics like myself, that's incredibly valuable. It made me decide to get W100s instead of hunting for W2002s. But if I was a rock fanatic I would have gone for the W2002s. I can't stress how valuable these types of reviews are. I think Markl did good work.
 
Feb 26, 2002 at 12:10 AM Post #17 of 78
Im with Markl on this one!!

Happyface sez stop cussing, and spitting, and farting, and drinking out of the toilet, be happy!

I am and am not happyface.

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But I am with markl on this one.

I would like to see more comparisons of w2002 vs attainable phones though! However just for the use of adjectives to develop a general sense of what the w2002's sound like, I find it an excellent review!!

I have heard the R10's though so who knows.

All in all IMO nice job Markl keep it up. Sometimes I think you're a little off but on the whole I think you know whats up!
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Feb 26, 2002 at 12:13 AM Post #18 of 78
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Originally posted by RickG
Now this is the guy we want to reveiw headphones here at Head-Fi? Personally, I think we can do better than this.....
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You're like a mosquito RickG. A bug.. you provoke me and then try to fade into the woodwork. I say again: go **** yourself. It puzzles me why you dont just mind your own business, or at least offer significant content. But you dont. Its just a cheap shot and then goodbye. With Ross, there were no hard feelings, and I posted a picture to help illustrate his 325 review (and I added pictures to markl's attempt to sell his W2002.) But you??? You're just a bum. You bum off my posts to make your silly ass cheap comments. Thats what I know of you.

p.s. I agree! There are better and more polite reviewers. I've said that before..
 
Feb 26, 2002 at 12:18 AM Post #19 of 78
If Rick gets to be a mosquito I wanna be a tick! Anyone remember when David Letterman had that guy dress up as a big tick? That was awesome!
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My brother and I have this animated gif that he made of a tick suckin' on this guy til he explodes, it's really funny. Er, ok, I'm gettin' way off topic. Just wanted to say that I'm gonna hear the W2002s tonight, and I'll be sure to post my impressions if things have settled down and I won't get flamed for saying they're good or bad or whatever...

--Flumpus the Tick
 
Feb 26, 2002 at 12:23 AM Post #22 of 78
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Originally posted by Flumpus
--Flumpus the Tick


When I said you ticked me off too, I didnt mean it literally.. (!)

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Feb 26, 2002 at 12:25 AM Post #23 of 78
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Originally posted by M Rael
I honestly dont know what the point of the review section is. I also dont know how Jude (or whomever) decides what to include in it. But from all appearances it seems like a place for quick and permanent review of significant headphones. Beyond that I really dont know.


the purpose of the featured reviews section is to archive, for reference, all the best-written, complete reviews that show up on Head-Fi. It's most important that they be near to or at the same level as many of the reviews that show up on the soundstage network or similar audio review companies. permanent? yes. Quick? I don't think so, personally. The reviews that are put in there are the ones that display hard work and serious consideration on the side of the writer. At least that's my opinion.

And can we keep the "**** you's" and "go **** yourself's" to a minimum, please? I may have to close this thread, and that would be rather disappointing to me personally. I still haven't read mark's review carefully, so I suppose I'll do that now.
 
Feb 26, 2002 at 12:34 AM Post #24 of 78
By 'quick' I meant that they are all there at a click, not that they are short or abbreviated. Its easy and quick to access them, in other words. And permanent.

Yes about that other thing too.
 
Feb 26, 2002 at 12:45 AM Post #25 of 78
Please don't close the thread, that's punishing me for others words. Just edit the silly remarks. That's all.

markl
 
Feb 26, 2002 at 12:45 AM Post #26 of 78
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I didnt take it personally that Jude didnt include any A/T headphones on the permanent list.

I've already moved beyond being snubbed by Jude


I don't get this one. You mention it over and over that it's Jude's fault that the review didn't get moved. If his lack of posting doesn't indicate something, than maybe somebody needs to just come out and say Jude is a bit of a busy man? As in he has an intensive job outside of headphones and nothing but headphones, and a wife he'd much rather be with than nothing but headphones?

And just where did he snub you? In a PM? I sure don't see one snitch of snubbing from him in any of the W2002 threads. In fact, last time I checked, Jude didn't post in any of the W2002 threads at all.

As for moving reviews up into the review section...IMO, big whooping deal. I've posted reviews that deserve to go up there, such as my recent D66 vs. V6 review, but don't. Do I cry about it...no. That's what the search button is for. In fact, the review section is one section I would be least likely to look at in Headfi, simply because it's so isolated and has so little in it. I'd be much more likely to hit the search button both on here and on Headwize (sorry, but there's info still on Headwize that nothing on Headfi can begin to keep up with) than to hit that area.
 
Feb 26, 2002 at 12:50 AM Post #27 of 78
Well, if nothing else, maybe we have proven once again that, as much as we bicker, we certainly can all agree we are passionate about headphones and this site.

Perhaps what this shows is the need for moderators to be me vigorous in maintaining the Featured Review section. I think it should be the FIRST place people go for good info. That is its purpose.

I'm not knocking any of the fabulous mods here. It only seems to have just dawned on the community how important those sections are.

Food for thought...

markl
 
Feb 26, 2002 at 1:14 AM Post #28 of 78
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the purpose of the featured reviews section is to archive, for reference, all the best-written, complete reviews that show up on Head-Fi.


Umm, are you sure
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I have a review up somewhere that I wouldn't call... whatever you said... (ok so I begged Jude to put it up and it was the first one in the amps/source forum)
 
Feb 26, 2002 at 1:20 AM Post #29 of 78
As an unbiased outsider (both the R-10s and W2002s are extremely unavailable right now), I would say that markl's review is positive for both phones, but does show a preference towards the R-10s... which is an opinion he has a right to express. And again: these are headphones! Not religions.
 
Feb 26, 2002 at 1:32 AM Post #30 of 78
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Originally posted by markl
Perhaps what this shows is the need for moderators to be me vigorous in maintaining the Featured Review section. I think it should be the FIRST place people go for good info. That is its purpose.


Yes!

And what markl said above answers most of what Vertigo posted about. Also:

**I think markl's comparison is great.

**But I dont think its a 'W2002 Review'.

**I would like to see a W2002 review in that section (for the reasons I quoted markl on.)

**I dont think I should write the review becasue I cuss too much.

Thats all I was saying.
 

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