For 6BL7 tube users
May 30, 2016 at 9:35 AM Post #196 of 608
  Hi attmci,
 
The 6x adapter accommodates up to six octal tubes - you need to add up the current draw to see if it exceeds your amp's rating, and if it does, you need external power.
 
The 6BL7 draws 1.5A. 6 x 1.5 = 9A. To this you need to add a safety margin of 30% because of in-rush current. When the tubes start up they could draw up to 30% more than their rating. In this case the power supply has to be able to put out at least 12A.
 
In the last picture with eight BL tubes the amp current draw is 12A. The Elise amp is rated for 6.8A. By using the adapter with a separate 15A power supply I free up 6.5A for the driver tubes. 2 x BL draws 3A. so this should be safe. I am even playing with the idea of trying two 6AS7G as drivers, drawing 5A together.
 
Don't know if there is a benefit in this re sound quality. Different tubes do better as power tubes than drivers and vice verse. I was surprised to see that 6BL7 as drivers work so well with 6 x 6BL7 as power tubes. At least nobody can accuse me of mixing tubes lol......
 
This Atma-Sphere amp uses 28 power tubes:
 
 
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Mordy:  Those Atma-Sphere mono blocks are so beautiful it almost brings tears to my eyes. Can you imagine how they would sound in a properly designed sound room paired with a TOTL turntable and large electrostatic speakers!!!
 
But, as you know, with our Elise amps, we are one of the "lucky ones". So I'll just enjoy what I now have, and just treasure my great memories of my long past audiophile days 
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May 30, 2016 at 9:38 AM Post #197 of 608
 
  Hi attmci,
 
The 6x adapter accommodates up to six octal tubes - you need to add up the current draw to see if it exceeds your amp's rating, and if it does, you need external power.
 
The 6BL7 draws 1.5A. 6 x 1.5 = 9A. To this you need to add a safety margin of 30% because of in-rush current. When the tubes start up they could draw up to 30% more than their rating. In this case the power supply has to be able to put out at least 12A.
 
In the last picture with eight BL tubes the amp current draw is 12A. The Elise amp is rated for 6.8A. By using the adapter with a separate 15A power supply I free up 6.5A for the driver tubes. 2 x BL draws 3A. so this should be safe. I am even playing with the idea of trying two 6AS7G as drivers, drawing 5A together.
 
Don't know if there is a benefit in this re sound quality. Different tubes do better as power tubes than drivers and vice verse. I was surprised to see that 6BL7 as drivers work so well with 6 x 6BL7 as power tubes. At least nobody can accuse me of mixing tubes lol......
 
This Atma-Sphere amp uses 28 power tubes:
 
 
hero.jpg

Mordy:  Those Atma-Sphere mono blocks are so beautiful it almost brings tears to my eyes. Can you imagine how they would sound in a properly designed sound room paired with a TOTL turntable and large electrostatic speakers!!!
 
But, as you know, with our Elise amps, we are one of the "lucky ones". So I'll just enjoy what I now have, and just treasure my great memories of my long past audiophile days 
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You forgot the AC lol
 
Jun 1, 2016 at 6:38 PM Post #198 of 608
I don't know if this is of any interest however I have been mucking around with the whole quad 6BL7 thing for the past few weeks.
 
I have a love / hate relationship with quad 6BL7.

Love the sound. To me a single 6BL7 in a 6080 circuit sounds better than all the 6AS7G, 6080 and 7236 tubes I've tried however two per circuit even lifts that sound level again.

Hate the adapters and layout of tubes in the amp. The adapters are cheap nasty stuff. Don't even feel sturdy. So I have pulled these damn things apart and rebuilt. I've added more strength to the base. Basically added plastic wedges between the base and plate so now when that middle screw is tightened it grips the base and plate instead of the shaft going down the base. That shaft is a pain. If you move the plate around too much it loosens off. Then you have to remove the top and tighten being very careful not to break any wire connections. I've fixed this shaft a few times. From there I added some plastic wedges between the plastic bottom plate and the circuit board. As the bottom plastic plate can flex when the screw is tightened too much. The wedges keep it all straight. Now I have done this the whole thing is straight and feels far more solid. When putting in new tubes the adapter doesn't feel like it is going to break (no reports of it doing so).
 
After doing this the other things were location and making the adapters look more attractive. I think they are ugly.
 
Location.
 

 
In my amp with the wire grid adapters on my drivers I had a big problem. Personally I thought this layout looked the best (one 6BL7 directly behind the other) on my amp. However the front 6BL7's were too close to the driver grid wires and occasionally created an interference buzz in the wires. So no good.
 
I then did this.
 

 
Angled the adapters out a bit. Not as neat looking however it fixed the buzzing in the wire grids. Front 6BL7's are out of the way. Kinda got use to the looks now as well. Front tubes are all spaced out evenly (Rectifier, Drive and front power) and back 6BL7's are tucked in nicely in the corner of the transformers.
 
Shot from above:
 

 
 
So this worked well.
The above pic also leads me to the next thing I wanted to fix. The adapters look. This was my first attempt. I wrapped the adapters outside in carbon fiber wrap. Also did my other adapters to match. To make it look like a set. Carbon fiber wrap is just kinda like tape. A big sticker that looks carbon fiber. I purchased in A4 sheets and cut to measurements.
 
This wrap on the adapter kinda caused a problem tho. It got very hot. I think heat comes from that circuit board on the adapter. It might be a reason why it is open in design. To let heat out. When using like this the tape would separate in places around the adapter. Looked a little bad. When cooled down it went back to normal. However being OCD I wanted to fix. I was also concerned about heat build up in the adapter. There is no caps on that adapter board however I don't think it is a good idea to over heat it.
 
Here is my solution now:
 

 
Same tube arrangement. I've just made the adapters vent. Wrapped each adapter twice with the carbon fiber. Top and bottom but left the middle to vent. So far so good. No heat issues. Carbon fiber tape stays on. Doesn't separate and the adapter looks a lot better than standard.
 
So this past week I've got it to a place where I am happy. Adapter looks better and it is a lot stronger. No buzz from power tubes and the overall sound is better than a single 6BL7.
I nearly gave up on quad 6BL7 as the sound improvement is only a little better. Things do sound fuller and it sounds more effortless/relaxed. Seems to have more power as well. I have got there. I will roll with this for now.
 
End of rant. I don't know if this was helpful to anyone. More cosmetic and adapter strength than 6BL7 sound.
 
Jun 1, 2016 at 9:28 PM Post #199 of 608
Very nice, Badas..

I totally agree that multiple 6BL7 sound better than any 6080 or 6AS7's.

Also agree that the 2x adapters feel cheap and certainly "not sturdy".

I think you did a great job on the adapters...to make them work better, and look better!

Hats off!!

:p
 
Jun 1, 2016 at 9:48 PM Post #200 of 608
Yep - good job Badas. Looks great. I also adjusted the screw to give me more space around the other tubes. Yours looks better.
 

 

 
Jun 1, 2016 at 10:05 PM Post #201 of 608
  Yep - good job Badas. Looks great. I also adjusted the screw to give me more space around the other tubes. Yours looks better.
 

 
 

 
Basically we got the same position. Very close. I think this is the best spot for the WA22. It tucks those back tubes right in the corner and keeps those front tubes away from the drivers.
Good stuff. I bet that tube arrangement sounds nice.
 
Jun 1, 2016 at 10:33 PM Post #202 of 608
I totally agree that multiple 6BL7 sound better than any 6080 or 6AS7's.
 

Hi JV
 
Does this include the exotic GEC 6AS7 & 5998? Man those are expensive!
 
Jun 1, 2016 at 10:44 PM Post #203 of 608
  Hi JV
 
Does this include the exotic GEC 6AS7 & 5998? Man those are expensive!


I'm not JV.
 
However many guys are now selling those tubes off after trying 6BL7s. So it give you and idea.
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Jun 1, 2016 at 10:54 PM Post #204 of 608
I'm not JV.

However many guys are now selling those tubes off after trying 6BL7s. So it give you and idea. :wink:


That is one badass comment. :grinning:
Thanks.

My interest with those tubes just went down...

Which amongst the 6BL7's is your favourite if I may ask?

Arnold
 
Jun 1, 2016 at 11:14 PM Post #205 of 608
That is one badass comment. :grinning:
Thanks.

My interest with those tubes just went down...

Which amongst the 6BL7's is your favourite if I may ask?

Arnold


They are all very close. In general they all give you everything. Deep bass, very full sounding (probably their best attribute), holographic and sweet treble with plenty of detail. If I would have to say the best. I would say the best I've tried is the Sylvania flat plate. Ever so slightly better midrange. Nothing in it tho. I even have two sets of the flat plates and don't feel the need to use them yet.
 
Sylvania flat plate
 

 
Jun 1, 2016 at 11:34 PM Post #206 of 608
Hi Badas,
 
Congrats on your nice set up! It is hard for me to see on the pictures since I am not familiar with your amp, but are you using socket savers? If you insert them between the amp and the adapters, you will reduce the heat buildup, but it may not look as nice.
 
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Jun 1, 2016 at 11:52 PM Post #207 of 608
Thanks Badas. I am now using 6-GE 6BL7's on my amp. I have a pair of Sylvania which I like and planning to add 2 more pairs for a sixtuplet combo.
 
Jun 2, 2016 at 6:01 AM Post #208 of 608
  I don't know if this is of any interest however I have been mucking around with the whole quad 6BL7 thing for the past few weeks.
 
I have a love / hate relationship with quad 6BL7.

Love the sound. To me a single 6BL7 in a 6080 circuit sounds better than all the 6AS7G, 6080 and 7236 tubes I've tried however two per circuit even lifts that sound level again.

Hate the adapters and layout of tubes in the amp. The adapters are cheap nasty stuff. Don't even feel sturdy. So I have pulled these damn things apart and rebuilt. I've added more strength to the base. Basically added plastic wedges between the base and plate so now when that middle screw is tightened it grips the base and plate instead of the shaft going down the base. That shaft is a pain. If you move the plate around too much it loosens off. Then you have to remove the top and tighten being very careful not to break any wire connections. I've fixed this shaft a few times. From there I added some plastic wedges between the plastic bottom plate and the circuit board. As the bottom plastic plate can flex when the screw is tightened too much. The wedges keep it all straight. Now I have done this the whole thing is straight and feels far more solid. When putting in new tubes the adapter doesn't feel like it is going to break (no reports of it doing so).
 
After doing this the other things were location and making the adapters look more attractive. I think they are ugly.
 
Location.
 

 
In my amp with the wire grid adapters on my drivers I had a big problem. Personally I thought this layout looked the best (one 6BL7 directly behind the other) on my amp. However the front 6BL7's were too close to the driver grid wires and occasionally created an interference buzz in the wires. So no good.
 
I then did this.
 

 
Angled the adapters out a bit. Not as neat looking however it fixed the buzzing in the wire grids. Front 6BL7's are out of the way. Kinda got use to the looks now as well. Front tubes are all spaced out evenly (Rectifier, Drive and front power) and back 6BL7's are tucked in nicely in the corner of the transformers.
 
Shot from above:
 

 
 
So this worked well.
The above pic also leads me to the next thing I wanted to fix. The adapters look. This was my first attempt. I wrapped the adapters outside in carbon fiber wrap. Also did my other adapters to match. To make it look like a set. Carbon fiber wrap is just kinda like tape. A big sticker that looks carbon fiber. I purchased in A4 sheets and cut to measurements.
 
This wrap on the adapter kinda caused a problem tho. It got very hot. I think heat comes from that circuit board on the adapter. It might be a reason why it is open in design. To let heat out. When using like this the tape would separate in places around the adapter. Looked a little bad. When cooled down it went back to normal. However being OCD I wanted to fix. I was also concerned about heat build up in the adapter. There is no caps on that adapter board however I don't think it is a good idea to over heat it.
 
Here is my solution now:
 

 
Same tube arrangement. I've just made the adapters vent. Wrapped each adapter twice with the carbon fiber. Top and bottom but left the middle to vent. So far so good. No heat issues. Carbon fiber tape stays on. Doesn't separate and the adapter looks a lot better than standard.
 
So this past week I've got it to a place where I am happy. Adapter looks better and it is a lot stronger. No buzz from power tubes and the overall sound is better than a single 6BL7.
I nearly gave up on quad 6BL7 as the sound improvement is only a little better. Things do sound fuller and it sounds more effortless/relaxed. Seems to have more power as well. I have got there. I will roll with this for now.
 
End of rant. I don't know if this was helpful to anyone. More cosmetic and adapter strength than 6BL7 sound.

Looks great Badas.
 
  Yep - good job Badas. Looks great. I also adjusted the screw to give me more space around the other tubes. Yours looks better.
 

 

This should sound wonderful, with those driver tubes
 
Jun 2, 2016 at 10:52 PM Post #209 of 608
Hi JV

Does this include the exotic GEC 6AS7 & 5998? Man those are expensive!


I do not have the GEC 6AS7's so cannot comment.

I do have a good pair of 5998's and I do think multiple 6BL7's sound better. Tighter deeper, yet more articulated bass and much is heard in the midrange that is only hinted at via 5998 and very sweet clear treble.

I am using 3x 6BL7's per 6AS7 socket in an amp not designed to deliver that much current, so I have to heat them externally, but it's well worth it, to do so, IMHO..

Multiple 6BL7 also make the most of driver tubes. Drivers you may have though we're "'meh" via 6AS7 come alive via 6BL7's....they make 6SN7's sound "expensive".


Cheers...

:p
 
Jun 3, 2016 at 10:18 AM Post #210 of 608
Hi JV,
 
As another user of multiple 6BL7 tubes and multiple power tubes (6) I can only chime in and agree with everything said. This is such a great sounding set-up - wish that others would try it.
 

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