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Jan 6, 2017 at 9:24 AM Post #28,426 of 42,765
psikey said:
   
It may actually turn out to be exactly what I've been looking for (other than the price). When you opening up orders and delivery in the UK? I'm more streaming so have offline content on my phone which would be great to wirelessly stream to Mojo/Poly over wifi if no detail is lost (ie plays flac/DSD native) and I can control tracks/volume via the phone.
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AFAIK, applying volume lowering to a Digital Player means bit truncation and therefore Bit Depth reduction.
Unless Poly is increasing Bit Depth (ex.16->24/32)  I don't see how you can adjust volume without loosing bits.
 
Jan 6, 2017 at 9:39 AM Post #28,428 of 42,765
I don't think people realize......ok poly mojo and I control with my phone...ideal solution..like What. You realize you need to still have headphone/iem plugged into a solid chunky brick in your pocket with a cable coming out and you have to use your phone to control....and to do that you have to use wifi on the phone...reducing battery times...and use mobile lte networks while connected to wifi or used as a wifi hotspot? The design concept is quite boggling. Think it's meant for people who stay at home relaxing on a couch using it as a streamer for their home system. Dunno about people but I'm not so keen on wireless transmission playback. I don't like Bluetooth sq, no matter how he it is and don't like wifi playing while I'm walking around. I liked my iem cable going directly to the device that is doing everything. Think the pricing was meant to compete against high end daps. Well they have own ui and d standalone functionality and most have better battery time. Mojo + poly is like 1.2k....just go grab a new sony wm1a...just not a good concept not to mention makes the mojo really look ugly with a brick sticking out
 
Jan 6, 2017 at 9:40 AM Post #28,429 of 42,765
headmanpl said:
 
Reading between the lines, I think John is saying the volume on the phone app is simply sending the command to Poly which controls the Mojo volume. This would leave the data untouched, especially as the phone in this case isn't even sending the PCM file.
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Exactly, as I understand the volume control via the phone/tablet will be just like pressing the Mojo volume buttons so just informing the internal Mojo circuitry to change volume.
 
Last reply I had from John:
 
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We could have made a cheaper product but it would not have been half as capable, Poly really is state of the current processing art, it's the same price that Mojo was at launch that's 600 dollars Brexit got in the way so it's five hundred not four hundred pounds like mojo. Poly has a triple cored main processor with other coprocessors to control power usage it's very advanced and can not be compared with the simple stuff coming out of china.
 
 
 
We obviously need to await for more feedback/review before making full judgement. Within 8 hrs I've gone from no interest (mostly due to price) but now I am interested. May end up being a milestone device seeing as just about everyone does have a smartphone on them most of the time. If it will stream my offline Spotify/Tidal files directly to the Mojo/Poly without altering the source data (same with files on its own SD or the phones SD) then even at £499 I may take the plunge.
 
Jan 6, 2017 at 9:44 AM Post #28,430 of 42,765
jarnopp said:
Less than 3 hours in...

So, quality camera lenses generally cost more than cameras, right?

But, here's my dilemma / current thinking: I recently bought a wireless, portable External HD (1TB Asus Wireless Duo, but there are others) which stream using its own wifi network. I can use the Asus app or a 3rd party app like Evermusic to connect to the drive, like a NAS. It sounds great streaming CD quality music, but I don't know if I could find a HD app that would work. Nearly all my music is lossless or AIFF though, so not a big deal and Mojo sounds great on red book.

Current chain: Wireless Duo -> (wifi) -> iPhone -> (USB) -> Mojo -> headphones -- all on battery, so isolated from ps noise.

I find the price high in absolute terms, considering the Wireless hard drive was $150, though I realize it is a lot bigger and not as elegant,etc. but I totally get the design and engineering and would have no issues justifying the price (welcome to Head-Fi...)

Question is, would this chain sound better (and why):
Wireless Duo (or other source) -> (wifi) -> Mojo/Poly -> headphones

I believe the HD streaming using the Evermusic app is bit perfect, but don't have absolute confirmation. I also believe the Mojo/Poly on wifi (on Bluetooth?) would also be bit perfect.

In my setup, or most, you don't save much using the module, since you need a source, unless you are using the SD card, which I also could find convenient. Or, if you stream from Tidal, etc, but then you are not saving phone battery life, since you are streaming wifi or Bluetooth from that, and not just controlling the Poly.

I think we should focus on solutions. The price is the price, and I believe Chord prices based on multiple of hardware costs, not simply marketing considerations. But either way, it works for you or doesn't I'm just trying to figure out if it works better for me...primarily better sound but also, is it more convenient? And, if you are going to go HD, then maybe it's the best game in town?

Time will tell, but I do see myself eventually trying this, for convenience if nothing else.

PS: Now there are a lot of threads for Mojo...it was nice when it was all kept in one (BIG) thread (vs something like the Cavalli LC mass of threads), so I'm going to concentrate here.
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Ok, I admit the lens analogy was bad. But, still, I think the attachment needs to be evaluated in comparison to a microRendu or other streamer/SD resder/DAP combo or whatever your use case is. Then add in however much convenience, design, brand sound quality, etc. is worth to you. It does not make sense to me to say that because it's an attachment for Mojo, it must be priced lower. (I don't know if I will purchase and I of course wish it were priced lower...my initial guess posted esrlier was $4-600, hoping for $400 but looks like it will be $600.)
 
Jan 6, 2017 at 9:45 AM Post #28,431 of 42,765
headmanpl said:
 
Reading between the lines, I think John is saying the volume on the phone app is simply sending the command to Poly which controls the Mojo volume. This would leave the data untouched, especially as the phone in this case isn't even sending the PCM file.
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I am dubitative for such feature but let's wait for complementary information on due time.
If Poly is able to control Mojo's volume using USB Data port, I will be very happy because it will mean that another application can do same
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Rgds.
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Jan 6, 2017 at 9:46 AM Post #28,432 of 42,765
there are plenty of very good and cost effective transport which match with mojo's width. I am happy with fiio x3 2k after latest update which enables DSD dop for dsd64 files. shanling m1 and cheap Android phone on airplane mode is also a good option.
 
Jan 6, 2017 at 9:52 AM Post #28,433 of 42,765
rkt31 said:
there are plenty of very good and cost effective transport which match with mojo's width. I am happy with fiio x3 2k after latest update which enables DSD dop for dsd64 files. shanling m1 and cheap Android phone on airplane mode is also a good option.
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But more Bulk/Weight and cabled connection.
 
If I'm reading this right the Mojo/Poly will effectively become one device with just the single charge point powering both then using the phone (that most have anyway) as a wireless screen/UI/control and whatever music app you like to use. Playback music from the phones storage or the Mojo/Poly's SD.  This way you always keep the Mojo sound quality and keeps the benefits of the single phone with all its other features.
 
My concern is hit on battery life on the phone if streaming say offline Tidal files to Mojo/Poly over WiFi. Got to be worse than a cabled connection. Must be over WiFi as Bluetooth can't handle HD-FLAC or DSD transfer rates.  
 
Jan 6, 2017 at 9:53 AM Post #28,434 of 42,765
To me the price of Poly doesn't seem that crazy considering all the different things it claims it can do, the problem is I'd imagine 95% of users will only use one of the particular functions, at least most of the time. If that's the case then it seems kind of expensive. E.g. If I just want this to play music from an SD card it's very hard to justify this over the sub £100 options available, stupid CCK and all. It's kind of like the Chord cable pack... 
Also, bolting on extras like this seems very 1990s computing (I'm thinking Gameboy TV!) from a design perspective, it would've been great (and possibly cheaper?) if Chord had just made a Mojo II with all the Poly stuff integrated, I'm a lot of people on here would be upset that their Mojo wasn't now 'the thing' but it would be hard to argue that this wouldn't be better product.
 
Jan 6, 2017 at 9:53 AM Post #28,435 of 42,765
wcdchee said:
Hi john, I was very excited about the poly but I have to admit that I'm not too keen hearing the price.

That said I wouldn't completely write it off. I'm really curious though, not so much about the features, but rather the sound quality of the poly as a transport off SD cards. I've been using the mojo for a while now and I'm incredibly impressed by it. However I have also found it to be extremely extremely sensitive to source pairing and can go from sounding just not bad to sounding out of this world with the right pairing.

I would like to enquire then, had anything special been done to optimise sound quality of the poly as a transport as has obviously been done in the Dave? I know the mojo has been previously touted to be unaffectedly by source jitter but despite that, (and I'm not saying it's from jitter, possibly other things in fact) i just find it to be really source dependent.

While the price admittedly put me off, if you guys can tell us that a lot was put not into simply the functionality and features, but also to Ensure a tip top transport sonically that Beats the portable competition handedly, then I am all ears.
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We are running our multi processor cores at a very fast rate over 2GHz so Poly is extremely powerful so it won't suffer from glitches due to processor waiting time and over use like other typical mobile systems. Poly is not normal technology it far higher than the usual hence its price is more than you all wanted but we had to do this right. It's frustrating when so many guys are saying so much ill informed comment against us when all we are doing is trying to bring truly innovative ideas to market that have been properly engineered.
 
Jan 6, 2017 at 9:57 AM Post #28,436 of 42,765
mojo ideas said:
We are running our multi processor cores at a very fast rate over 2GHz so Poly is extremely powerful so it won't suffer from glitches due to processor waiting time and over use like other typical mobile systems. Poly is not normal technology it far higher than the usual hence its price is more than you all wanted but we had to do this right. It's frustrating when so many guys are saying so much ill informed comment against us when all we are doing is trying to bring truly innovative ideas to market that have properly engineered.
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Well our wallets will determine whether you made the right decision or not.
 
Jan 6, 2017 at 10:00 AM Post #28,437 of 42,765
mojo ideas said:
We are running our multi processor cores at a very fast rate over 2GHz so Poly is extremely powerful so it won't suffer from glitches due to processor waiting time and over use like other typical mobile systems. Poly is not normal technology it far higher than the usual hence its price is more than you all wanted but we had to do this right. It's frustrating when so many guys are saying so much ill informed comment against us when all we are doing is trying to bring truly innovative ideas to market that have properly engineered.
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Once you get more info out on what it can do & demo of how it works with a phone etc. a lot of the negativity will diminish though many will still not be able to tolerate the price.
 
I'd say most were expecting a neat unit that had screen/controls/storage to sit on the front of the Mojo, bit like an L shaped iPod Nano that added little to Mojo length with flat connection then a Nano type screen same width/length of mojo. Thats my take anyway. 
 
Possibly something like this concept, slim with physical controls/display/sd with flat connection into Mojo ports (also android based to do Spotify/Tidal
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Jan 6, 2017 at 10:09 AM Post #28,438 of 42,765
psikey said:
 
mojo ideas said:
We are running our multi processor cores at a very fast rate over 2GHz so Poly is extremely powerful so it won't suffer from glitches due to processor waiting time and over use like other typical mobile systems. Poly is not normal technology it far higher than the usual hence its price is more than you all wanted but we had to do this right. It's frustrating when so many guys are saying so much ill informed comment against us when all we are doing is trying to bring truly innovative ideas to market that have properly engineered.
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Once you get more info out on what it can do & demo of how it works with a phone etc. a lot of the negativity will diminish though many will still not be able to tolerate the price. I'd say most were expecting a neat unit that had screen/controls/storage to sit on the front of the Mojo, bit like an L shaped iPod Nano that added little to Mojo length with flat connection then a Nano type screen same width/length of mojo. That my take anyway. 
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That was my expectation or at least hope as well. I even don't have a smartphone, so the Poly is not for me. If it would have been a device upgrading the Mojo to a full-fledged DAP (display, parametric equalizer and shuffle play included), I would have considered it. However, I'm not even saying it isn't worth the asked price for those who have use for it; maybe it sounds that good!
 
Jan 6, 2017 at 10:12 AM Post #28,439 of 42,765
mojo ideas said:
We are running our multi processor cores at a very fast rate over 2GHz so Poly is extremely powerful so it won't suffer from glitches due to processor waiting time and over use like other typical mobile systems. Poly is not normal technology it far higher than the usual hence its price is more than you all wanted but we had to do this right. It's frustrating when so many guys are saying so much ill informed comment against us when all we are doing is trying to bring truly innovative ideas to market that have been properly engineered.
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I fully understand your point. Nonetheless, probably due to your triple introduction Poly's information has been quite poor (IMHO) compare to the other products.
Maybe we are or I am too much impatient and we should give time to time. But allow me to remember that you are the ones that have been teasing us since a couple of weeks.
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That said Congratulations to Chord Electronics for those achievements.
 
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Jan 6, 2017 at 10:40 AM Post #28,440 of 42,765
mojo ideas said:
We are running our multi processor cores at a very fast rate over 2GHz so Poly is extremely powerful so it won't suffer from glitches due to processor waiting time and over use like other typical mobile systems. Poly is not normal technology it far higher than the usual hence its price is more than you all wanted but we had to do this right. It's frustrating when so many guys are saying so much ill informed comment against us when all we are doing is trying to bring truly innovative ideas to market that have been properly engineered.
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Appreciate the company has been busy working to a deadline for CES, but you've been teasing for some months
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I think what we all need John, is a detailed video demo explaining/showing it's capabilities. I don't think there are many here that want this to fail. I know I'm not alone in expecting the price to have been less than half the £500, based on the speculation in these pages. I'm not wanting you to increase Mojo's price, but having owned one for a year, I'd pay more than the £400 to replace it. It's value is greater in my opinion. Lets hope you can show us Poly can be thought of the same way....  
 
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