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Mar 27, 2016 at 10:48 AM Post #3,061 of 11,986
potkettleblack said:
I'd like to offer my services for those that are struggling with the recent news. I'm available to talk in private messenger between the hours 09:00 and 17:00.

Whatever you're going through, big or small, don't bottle it up. I am here for you if you are worried about
The future of Audeze, feel upset or confused, or you just want to talk about your future options as an audiophile.
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cobust said:
Was this comment really necessary?
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I would consider that a troll post. and would should be taken very very very lightly and even ignored.
 
Mar 27, 2016 at 1:55 PM Post #3,063 of 11,986
jlbrach said:
  the very first thing i wrote when i got the 4's is that they need ample power and i stick by that...i have both the 4's and the hd800S and to my ears the 4's are far better but obviously on a proce basis that may well not be the case...Ty loves the 800's and speaks of them as being perhaps the best HD's available...i own them and am a big fan but i think the 4's are a far better can....so be it...i continue to believe that if the 4's were 2K instead of 4K they would be spoken of as the best can available....oh well
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couple more reviews like Ty's and they might be 2k
 
Mar 27, 2016 at 3:30 PM Post #3,064 of 11,986
potkettleblack said:
 The Audeze Carbon band was disappointing. Looks great - but why would you make that design and have both elements touch each other instead of the strap separated from the carbon band during use. Pretty bizarre.
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It only touches when the headphones are not stretched (i.e. on your head). If you pull the cups apart to the same width as what they are when you're wearing them, you should see a small gap in between the two elements. Personally I find the new headband significantly more comfortable than the previous one. 
 
Mar 27, 2016 at 4:24 PM Post #3,065 of 11,986
focker said:
   
It only touches when the headphones are not stretched (i.e. on your head). If you pull the cups apart to the same width as what they are when you're wearing them, you should see a small gap in between the two elements. Personally I find the new headband significantly more comfortable than the previous one. 
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I tried a few size fittings and it still creates a hotspot. It was my understanding that they were revising the headband to make it shorter and negate the pressure points.
 
Mar 27, 2016 at 4:33 PM Post #3,066 of 11,986
articnoise said:
  Then you use EQ you don’t really change how the headphone or transducer works or its FR. What you do is altering and lowering the audio signal of the source. When changing the original signal you break the bit perfect transmission. Bit perfect is commonly used to secure the delivery of the exact data contained in the audio file to the DAC.
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Please don't cultivate a new «Bit-Perfection» religion on Head-Fi! 
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It's very obvious and logical that manipulations on the sonic characteristics of a recording will result in a different digital signal. It doesn't matter if it's happening before burning it on a CD or afterwards. And in the case of an improved sonic balance the altered recording is better – despite not being «bit-perfect».
 
Note that the various DSPs (including equalizers) used in the recording studios will inevitably produce tons of «bit imperfections».
 
Mar 27, 2016 at 4:37 PM Post #3,067 of 11,986
jazz said:
   
Please don't cultivate a new «Bit-Perfection» religion on Head-Fi! 
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It's very obvious and logical that manipulations on the sonic characteristics of a recording will result in a different digital signal. It doesn't matter if it's happening before burning it on a CD or afterwards. And in the case of an improved sonic balance the altered recording is better – despite not being «bit-perfect».
 
Note that the various DSPs (including equalizers) used in the recording studios will inevitably produce tons of «bit imperfections».
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bits by their very nature are imperfect
 
Mar 27, 2016 at 5:41 PM Post #3,068 of 11,986
The 4's really do need lots of juice....on my Rag/Yiggy combo the HD800S at 1200 requires me to go to 200 or 300 in order to get the same volume.......no way to properly test on listen to the 4's without a serious amp with real kick.......i went from the second gain position to the third and what a difference,i was able to get it loud enough using the second gain but using the third it all seems to kick in with more life,more impact.....anyone out there who owns the 4's or plans to get them or is thinking about it i cant emphasize enough the need for power with these cans........
 
Mar 27, 2016 at 10:20 PM Post #3,070 of 11,986
focker said:
It only touches when the headphones are not stretched (i.e. on your head). If you pull the cups apart to the same width as what they are when you're wearing them, you should see a small gap in between the two elements. Personally I find the new headband significantly more comfortable than the previous one. 
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i also found the new headband to be an improvement in comfort
 
Mar 28, 2016 at 5:18 AM Post #3,071 of 11,986
Also on the head it touches the strap and that hurts on top of the head. I wrote to Audeze and they sent me information about making the leather strap shorter, it is too long. I did this and now the comfort is perfect. I can wear the LCD4 for hours. The leather strap is very soft and the carbon headband doesn't touch it anymore now that it is shorter. I do have to comment that I have the 100ohms version which has a too long strap.
 
Mar 28, 2016 at 6:36 AM Post #3,072 of 11,986
jazz said:
   
Please don't cultivate a new «Bit-Perfection» religion on Head-Fi! 
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It's very obvious and logical that manipulations on the sonic characteristics of a recording will result in a different digital signal. It doesn't matter if it's happening before burning it on a CD or afterwards. And in the case of an improved sonic balance the altered recording is better – despite not being «bit-perfect».
 
Note that the various DSPs (including equalizers) used in the recording studios will inevitably produce tons of «bit imperfections».
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I promise not to cultivate any religions or “bit perfect” cults Jazz.
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 I will thou continue to point out things that I think make a difference in SQ.

 

If bit-perfect is not one of those aspects you value or manipulations of the sonic characteristics of a recording is worth it compared to non-manipulations, please go head and use EQ. There are no free lunches thou and in my experience, with different software, only to switch on the EQ and before I have even changed anything it makes the sound less resolving, transparent and flat. With lesser gear it can be a necessity, especially with speakers in untreated rooms, but not with high end headphone gear if you really have taken the time to select so that they match each other sound vice IMO.  

 

It does matter if the change in FR takes place before burning it on a CD or afterwards. It’s the transmission of the data that’s bit perfect, not the sound. 

 
Mar 28, 2016 at 7:42 AM Post #3,073 of 11,986
captblaze said:
if i have to EQ a $4000 set of headphones, i will pass.

i for one appreciate your candor and willingness to be critical regardless of the manufacturer or the fan boys reaction
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No one is saying you have to EQ anything. All headphones - strike that - all transducers can benefit from a little EQ.

Audiophiles tend to shy away from using EQ mainly because of a) ignorance b) hassle or c) some combination of both.

I'm in the B club for the record.
 
Mar 28, 2016 at 8:26 AM Post #3,074 of 11,986
trogdor said:
No one is saying you have to EQ anything. All headphones - strike that - all transducers can benefit from a little EQ.

Audiophiles tend to shy away from using EQ mainly because of a) ignorance b) hassle or c) a combination of both.

I'm in the B club for the record.
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I wouldn't consider myself an audiophile, nor an expert on the subject. My goal was to commend Tyll on having the guts to call out what he perceives as an obvious flaw in a $4000 piece of gear. If you watch the video review he made, you can clearly see that he is not comfortable pointing out the flaw.
 
Most reviewers of any product tend to shy away from negative feedback for fear of blowing up their gig. I for one have never or will ever get a chance to know if it is true, but give the guy credit for calling it as he sees it, because in the end its his rep on the line.
 
lastly.... I am to a point in my life where it is no longer enjoyable fiddling with sliders every time a garbage recording comes my way. I do everything I can to ensure that my gear provides the type sound I enjoy and if I run across garbage recordings... they go in the bin and I move on
 
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