The DIY'rs Cookbook
Jun 24, 2016 at 3:55 AM Post #586 of 1,974
Good heads up @Benny-x, I ordered my fiber stuff last night during a soccer half time on my phone. I bought 2 mc210 on Amazon and a cable. When you say copper side tx, you're simply saying gigabit lan right?

Kind of. Gigabit lan is a speed and a network type. For 99.9% of home users that means the normal looking ethernet cables that you find everywhere that look like bigger telephone line connectors. And because I'm too lazy to just get a picture and post it here, I hope that's good enough to understand. 
 
Congrats on the purchase though :)  Make sure to share what you think of it in a couple weeks or whenever you get it hooked up.
 
Jun 25, 2016 at 1:46 AM Post #587 of 1,974
What and how do we know what IS ‘Better’?
or
It’s all in our heads, or is it?

 
Part 21             Spikes, Overshoot, and Wonderful.

I’ve been playing with my 800’s for a while now and have tried a variety of ‘adjustments’ in various ways to ‘see what happens’ and to hear what the changes made, have yielded.
 
Up until a while back I didn’t have access to acoustical measurement equipment.
But most of what I didn’t have was results that were really significant enough to warrant the time and effort needed to pursue measurement results.
Until recently.
 
As some may know I have been a proponent of ‘hardwiring’ for quite some time.
My SAA modded 800’s are hardwired and have been further tweaked with vibration management techniques.
These changes were and remain significant to the extent that they were the impetus of my recent experiments and investigations.
Which have been measured on the same equipment, which in turn yields a direct comparison of responses and behaviors from stock.
IOW using the ‘stock’ measurements and being able to directly compare these 2 sets of measurements allows for certain ‘conclusions’ which can be formulated and then further tested to see if these changes are truly ‘Better’, or not.
 
And even if, the ‘or not’ is the resounding result, there is Always something to be gained/learned/perceived within the measurements themselves.
 
This post is about one of those “gained/learned/perceived” aspects, and what I’ve gleaned thus far.
 
If you have ever studied the set of ‘stock’ HD800 measurements, especially the transient and distortion responses subset of the measurements (impulse, square wave, THD), you’ll see that there are some rather ‘unsavory’ indications of aberrant behavior.
But there are also some indications of absolute wonderfulness.
So this raised a question in my mind, is there a way of reducing the “‘unsavory’ indications of aberrant behavior” and at the very least maintain the wonderfulness and perchance actually improve it?
 
And at this point I’m not too concerned with the freq response curves.
Why?
Well mostly with no exceptions I can think of, ALL headphones exhibit a  roller coaster ride of an EQ, and now with DSP EQ we have the means to begin to deal with it.
IOW what we have been hearing ISN’T anywhere near FLAT, unlike what speakers can be.
But these days with DSP based EQ this can now be addressed and is readily available for both speakers and headphones.
Thus as long as we have a representative response curve from which to work it can be corrected and brought back into ‘flat’ or at least a MUCH closer approximation of flat than ever before.
 
But to return to the primary subject, that being Spikes and Overshoot what I noticed when I first looked at the stock measurements were these…
 

pic of stock 30hz square wave courtesy of Inner Fidelity
 
Notice that initial overshoot spike on the leading edge?
See how fast, and what its magnitude is?
 
This to me says classic ringing/something is not properly damped enough, as in the entire mechanism is resonating (and at a fairly high frequency) when given an impulse signal (a square wave or single impulse, much like a fast transient).
 
This spike is a direct source of tLFF all by itself.
It also can act as a mask or as a source of inner detail veiling.
 
So I tried ALL of the dampening mods I could find and they indeed helped in a variety of ways, not the least was a major reduction in tLFF.
I made a set of Anax v.1 and v.1b and v.2 and wound up using shelf liner material with additional dampening over the driver clamp ring.
It was quite nice, but by comparison a bit subdued and soft when dealing with quick dynamics.
 
Then I went with the SAA cables and while they were being hardwired they also performed their modifications to the 800’s.
 
Out came ALL of the dampening material, as did the clamp ring, and the 2) 28gauge interconnect wires to the drivers along with the connectors themselves.
And there were other changes as well but these were the ones directly related to the electrical connection and those components that directly resonated in the plane of the driver.
 
These changes were substantially better than any of the dampening mods I had fussed with and in ways I didn’t expect, and they were Wonderful.
 
Wonderful enough to live with for quite a while.
Until I managed to convince a local Head Fi’r to loan me his HD650’s (thanks Big Poppa!) while mine were being measured.
Once the measurements came back I could then evaluate the differences between ’stock’ and my modded set of 800’s.
 
And while some of the changes weren’t ‘Better’ some were pointed in the correct direction.
So with these new insights into the measured behavior and performance I began analyzing what had changed.
 
But what was interesting, at least for me, were the changes that these mods had made to the overall SQ and more pointedly what these changes made in terms of all of the aspects I use to help define what truly is ‘Better’.
 
There truly was more there, there, and in ways that enhanced their scaleability to a remarkable degree and in ways I didn’t expect, nor suspect.
Indeed most of all of this ‘Better’ series is based upon all of these scaleability factors which were further enhanced by the initial SAA mods.
 
But now that I had some actual measurements I could target specific behaviors with further mods.
Specifically the transient impulse responses as shown in the square wave and impulse measurements.
 
So I further modified my 800’s to see if I could retain the improvements while improving other aspects of their responses.
 
And since this is an ongoing series of experiments, and I haven’t even been able to try the next series of mods, thus my existing results are ‘mid stream’ so to speak.
 
But the results I’m getting have reached what I call Gen-2 in terms of the overall acoustic net effect.
 
JJ

End Part 21              
 
Next up         Fuses and current draw
 
Jun 25, 2016 at 3:58 AM Post #588 of 1,974
Thanks JJ. The inner damping Mods for my Mr Speakers Ether was such a step change and produced what was explained would happen. Not many of us have the opportunity, requisite skill or tenacity to apply a subjectivist methodology. Never mind hard fact objective measurements up to someone like Tyll's mini anechoic chamber with his digital ear.
As BD says you shouldn't be an armchair quarterback but there are limits to what we are able to achieve without expert advice. Much like the UK now leaving Europe..Have listened to expert advice half by the passion of others conviction... Our political experiment may take a while to see if it worked....

Looking forward to the fuse article..
Synergistic research Black seem to be the new kings of the Hill in public preference. A greater insight into fuses will be much appreciated.
I hope the Ethernet trails are going well but I will have to wait for the titans figure out a slightly more wallet friendly solution...

Good luck
Dave
 
Jun 25, 2016 at 10:09 PM Post #589 of 1,974
There is a history of tweaking headphones which goes way back.
I think it partially stems from the fact that HPs are small, and more or less much easier to take apart and fuss with.
It tends to encourage experimentation, or at least seeing what happens, if…
 
And one aspect that, at least for me anyways has a major influence in our attempts at 'Better' is, our degree of calibration.
 
When you have heard what is possible and it 'stuck', then that degree of having an acoustic 'target' from which to compare, makes determining what is 'Better', or not, that much easier.
Especially with headphones, since they are much more of a 'variable' in the whole system's chain of re-creating the acoustic experience.
 
As for the next part dealing with fuses and such, it will serve as a bridge between previous topics and several subsequent parts that are planned.
It's actually part of an ongoing examination and series of experiments I've been conducting for some time now.
 
And this next part that will be dealing with fuses and current draw could be considered as an introduction of sorts, to a whole area of related issues.
 
JJ
ps I have yet to hear the SR Blacks, but I am using the SR Reds in my amp and dac and agree they are wonderful.
 
Jun 26, 2016 at 12:26 AM Post #590 of 1,974
So a status report on those speaker wires I added to my $40/75 speakers…
 
Besides the increased coupling from these wires manifesting as improved acoustics which carry throughout the house, at lower volumes, there is a significant additional decrease in the apparent volume as well.
 
As I stated earlier, the apparent difference in volume between the speakers and the headphones not only reversed, but initial the gap itself has since widened even further.
 
This tells me that the change in the delivery of the electrical signal has resulted in less smearing while generating the acoustical power, thru time (i.e. dynamically).
IOW, the electrical signal is more time and amplitude aligned with the original acoustical waveform itself.
As such the energy is more 'focused', more is applied where it should be and less is being 'wasted' (smeared) where it 'doesn't belong'.
It's less LOUD because the acoustic energy is more closely coupled to the signal that becomes music.
 
Bottom line, as the apparent volume seems to drop (at the same DRC setting) that is usually the result of a more precise re-creation, and delivery of, the original acoustic power.
I see this reduction of how LOUD the music seems to be, as an indication of 'Better' all in and of itself.
I guess I should call it,
Moar is Less.
 
JJ
ps @ ≈175hrs  RN3 has just taken a major step up, as in BLOSSOM Time, but not at the peak, yet
 
Jun 26, 2016 at 12:40 AM Post #591 of 1,974
  So a status report on those speaker wires I added to my $40/75 speakers…
 
Besides the increased coupling from these wires manifesting as improved acoustics which carry throughout the house, at lower volumes, there is a significant additional decrease in the apparent volume as well.
 
As I stated earlier, the apparent difference in volume between the speakers and the headphones not only reversed, but initial the gap itself has since widened even further.
 
This tells me that the change in the delivery of the electrical signal has resulted in less smearing while generating the acoustical power, thru time (i.e. dynamically).
IOW, the electrical signal is more time and amplitude aligned with the original acoustical waveform itself.
As such the energy is more 'focused', more is applied where it should be and less is being 'wasted' (smeared) where it 'doesn't belong'.
It's less LOUD because the acoustic energy is more closely coupled to the signal that becomes music.
 
Bottom line, as the apparent volume seems to drop (at the same DRC setting) that is usually the result of a more precise re-creation, and delivery of, the original acoustic power.
I see this reduction of how LOUD the music seems to be, as an indication of 'Better' all in and of itself.
I guess I should call it,
Moar is Less.
 
JJ
ps @ ≈175hrs  RN3 has just taken a major step up, as in BLOSSOM Time, but not at the peak, yet

 
Very Nice!
 
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Jun 26, 2016 at 1:13 AM Post #592 of 1,974
Yeah it is! 
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And it doesn't matter what music I play, EVERYTHING has taken a step up in SQ.
 
It's like I want to shift all of the star ratings up by one…
Again…
 
JJ
 
Jun 26, 2016 at 1:33 AM Post #593 of 1,974
I just got my kef speakers running with a 200w rms amp and my audio-gd headphone amp as a preamp, the r3 has been on for some time now and piping 24/96khz into my R2R dac. Man these 30yr old speakers have similar clarity as my planar headphones.

Absolutely in audio bliss. These 30yo reference speakers are AMAZING.
 
Jun 26, 2016 at 1:38 AM Post #594 of 1,974
That was one of the interesting aspects WRT the conventional wisdom about buying really good speakers and then build up the electronics…
 
It would seem that any decent speaker will 'sing' when the signal being fed them is tweako.
 
JJ
 
Jun 26, 2016 at 4:53 AM Post #595 of 1,974
  Yeah it is! 
atsmile.gif

 
And it doesn't matter what music I play, EVERYTHING has taken a step up in SQ.
 
It's like I want to shift all of the star ratings up by one…
Again…
 
JJ

 
So would you say money well spent?
That's how I feel with the RN3 and Mutec's!
Absolutely no regrets. And glad that I took the risk without knowing what I'm getting into! 
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Jun 28, 2016 at 3:00 AM Post #596 of 1,974
   
So would you say money well spent?
That's how I feel with the RN3 and Mutec's!
Absolutely no regrets. And glad that I took the risk without knowing what I'm getting into! 
L3000.gif
 

I suspect the SQ level will continue to rise as it settles in, along with a few tweaks I plan to add.
 
So at his point I'd say yes this is a step up and over my USB setup.
 
What I await is to find out how much of a step up it will be.
 
JJ
 
Jun 28, 2016 at 3:58 AM Post #597 of 1,974
I suspect the SQ level will continue to rise as it settles in, along with a few tweaks I plan to add.

So at his point I'd say yes this is a step up and over my USB setup.

What I await is to find out how much of a step up it will be.

JJ


Sorry, what was your USB setup? Microrendu?
 
Jun 28, 2016 at 5:46 AM Post #598 of 1,974
It's 2-Wyrd's with cooked USB cables.
An AudioQuest Coffee, a Schiit PYST, and a 6" cheapy.
 
JJ
 
Jun 28, 2016 at 8:36 AM Post #599 of 1,974
Jun 28, 2016 at 1:04 PM Post #600 of 1,974
  So a status report on those speaker wires I added to my $40/75 speakers…
 
Besides the increased coupling from these wires manifesting as improved acoustics which carry throughout the house, at lower volumes, there is a significant additional decrease in the apparent volume as well.
 
As I stated earlier, the apparent difference in volume between the speakers and the headphones not only reversed, but initial the gap itself has since widened even further.
 
This tells me that the change in the delivery of the electrical signal has resulted in less smearing while generating the acoustical power, thru time (i.e. dynamically).
IOW, the electrical signal is more time and amplitude aligned with the original acoustical waveform itself.
As such the energy is more 'focused', more is applied where it should be and less is being 'wasted' (smeared) where it 'doesn't belong'.
It's less LOUD because the acoustic energy is more closely coupled to the signal that becomes music.
 
Bottom line, as the apparent volume seems to drop (at the same DRC setting) that is usually the result of a more precise re-creation, and delivery of, the original acoustic power.
I see this reduction of how LOUD the music seems to be, as an indication of 'Better' all in and of itself.
I guess I should call it,
Moar is Less.
 
JJ
ps @ ≈175hrs  RN3 has just taken a major step up, as in BLOSSOM Time, but not at the peak, yet

 
One quick question for you ... 
 
Do you actually have your RN3 playing 24/192 content reliably using a source machine running OS X?
 
I'm keen to compare the RedNet stuff to my Auralic, Linn and Sonore ethernet interfaces/bridges, but having just spent weeks screwing around fruitlessly trying to get double and quad rate DSD to work off OS X with Chord DACs, I'm not in the mood for further troubleshooting (maybe in a bit ... for now I just want something that can, like my existing interfaces, be configured and then just works).
 

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