Will that's me out of this thread....I ashtray have the best V shape headphone with the TH900 and hoped this headphone would offer a difference....as in better mids but still with good bass....oh dear, the search continues....
I am assuming that you have heard an old pair of headphones that sounds like that that you enjoyed and you are looking for something new that sounds the same? If that's the case which pair of headphones would that be? So, I can have a better idea of the type of sound that you are looking for.
I am assuming that you have heard an old pair of headphones that sounds like that that you enjoyed and you are looking for something new that sounds the same? If that's the case which pair of headphones would that be? So, I can have a better idea of the type of sound that you are looking for.
Hi...I meant to say already...not ashtray! Apologies for silly phone...
Yes I have existing Fostex TH900 flagship. I didn't expect the 1770 to compete, just offer more mid and decent bass still...with a different character...Which may excel in a new area, which the TH900 is weaker...but a V shape is what I already have...
It may be off-topics, but I believe, it's helpful, it I put it straight:
Custom Studio: Current model, around-ear, very similar drivers to the DT 770 Pro with 80 Ohms, velours earpads, press-button leatherette headband, coiled cable. It's the professional version of the custom family.
Custom One Pro Plus. Current model, around-ear, 16 Ohms drivers unlike in any other beyerdynamic headphones, leatherette headband and earpads, headband with velcro fastener, comes with 2 straight cables (1 without remote, 1 with on-button-remote). Despite its name, it's a consumer headphone.
Custom Street: Current-model, on-ear, 38 Ohms drivers, leatherette headband and earpads, 1 cable with 1-button-remote. Consumer headphone.
(Custom One Pro): Dicontinued model, identical to Custom One Pro Plus without the remote cable and without additional design plates.
All cables we offer for the Custom product family work on all models, including the Custom Street.
Hi pietcux, this part of imagination would be up to my product management fellow Joscha. He is responisble for the professional headphones. I can't say, but at the moment I would believe it to be quite unlikely, since it's a pro headphone. Studio and broadast users normally don't ask for inline remote controls. Since it's terminated with a user-serviceable plug, you could buy an aftermarket remote cable, such as ours and have a mini-xlr-plug mounted to it. Maybe our service department can help, but please understand the decision is up to them only.
I am searching for something like the Vmoda Boom mike. Only with the mini XLR plug. That would make a nice professional headset out of the DT1770, just like the MMX 300. But only if needed, not permanently.
(NOT a review, just impressions from a little time with them. IM JUST LONG-WINDED AND BORED SO DON'T BE CONFUSED LOL)
Some sections will be short because I don't think a few days is long enough to be really accurate. I am very guilty of posting impressions too fast. Usually I hold to my first opinions of them though so here we go. I hope I have been a good steward of Angels headphones. I really appreciate his consistently pleasant and generous attitude, as well as solid impressions and knowledge. That dude is a G.
[size=17.03px]BUILD / COMFORT[/size]
The build is nothing short of premium as well as the design and taste of accents/ aesthetics. I can prefer the Sony Z7 here (but sonically I prefer the dt1770) which is pretty tough to beat for any closed back headphone to beat in terms of design in my opinion. I have always been appreciative of Beyer offering simple, practical designs that prove that you don't have to break any new grounds to remain relevant. If it ain't broke don't fix it.
The headband is extremely comfortable. If anyone puts one of those button headband cushions thingies on the dt1770 I would be very surprised. I have a big head and the clamp force doesn't seem too bothersome to me. It does have some clamp but its not bad at all. The pad cushioning isn't as soft as my ZMF or Alpha pads but its not very stiff either, when wearing them my ears fit nicely inside which is to be expected for what is a refined design of something already known for being close to ideal.
The carrying pouch seems a bit large to me for someone wanting carry these around. It makes its uses more like that of an Audeze case or something more bulky than one you would bring around with you. Its not really a complaint because its not like these are made for portable use anyhow. They are serious listening cans as I will get into below.
SOUND
AFTER ONLY 3 HOURS....SUBJECT TO CHANGE Bass: Tight, good sub and mid bass punch, pretty solid, not basshead in qty. Keeps a good and predictable composure and handled every thing I threw at it so far with consistency. It has a tiny bit of roundness to it that makes it not sound too dry, while being tight and solid. I like it a lot.
Mids: Recessed and kind of dark actually because males neither project or feel weighty, and female vocals don't soar. Vocals are a little distant (not a deal breaker though)
Highs: A little sibilance, decent/not stellar extension, a little boosted but nothing toooo problematic. Very good quality treble in regards to tones and control. Doesn't seem splashy to me yet.
Soundstage: Decent for the price. Tiny bit of height, not much depth, Decent amount of width.
Details: Pretty good I must say
Transparency: for a closed back at its price its a clear sounding headphone no doubt
Instrument separation: Great
Overall sound quality: I think it has Great sound quality. This headphone may earn my recommendation.
Overall: Priced exactly right me thinks. A good headphone no doubt. For a balance like this I would actually like more bass. I know that sounds odd but that is because so far(subject to change) if the mids are kinda tucked like they are then why not let the bass have a hint more dominance to make it worth it or practical. Otherwise bring the mids up a little and you will have an almost ideal headphone in balance.
BASS
This can has a very nice bass presentation. Whilst some would consider it above neutral, I personally would call it a true neutral. That means that it gives in my opinion just about what I suspect most recording engineers had in mind in regards to quantity, unless they were hip hop or edm specialized. It is solidly present and seems to have little(hardly any) distortion and bloat. It's tight, clean, and acceptable in quantity. I do not hear a strong mid bass hump either. Lately I have been reading a lot of impressions referring to slam or presence as extension. Saying that headphone X extends wayyyy deeper than headphone Y. I think that has to be a very misused word as of late. Well these headphones extend pretty deep in to the frequency range and doubt many headphones will extend wayyy deeper. 20 hz, which is as low as we can hear is fairly audible but 30hz and up is very solid and consistent in volume with the upper bass being just a shade more in volume. I think the textures are decent and the bass detail is fine. Its a little fast and not too dry so it has a natural approach to the bass. I will echo my impressions in the spoiler and conclude that it is not for bass heads. When I eq the bass though, it can become a bass heads phone. It takes to eq VERY easily and doesn't distort nearly as quickly as other headphones when pushed to extremes via software eq. It does get a little bloated though and via software eq its hard to get it to rumble really hard. But check it out...
(not listening to the headphones like that... it was just a little test to see what it could handle)
Thats nearly 8.5 db of bass boost and it didn't get all grainy and distorted. I do have the software volume down but it I have never been able to do that with other headphones.
I suspect tone controls of vintage gear may do better but I seriously doubt it will come close to a th600 with the loudness switch on. That Fostex th600 on vintage has been my second best bass experience to date in regards to solid, clean, exaggerated, and tight rumbling. So it's not an easy competitor and overall I would take the Fostex bass still over this Beyer. But overall I like the dt1770 better than the Fostex. The bass is excellent on the Beyer overall with its top notch quality.
MIDS
I honestly think this is literally my only gripe about this headphone. This is in light of how it performs in other areas. I'm not gonna call it totally recessed rather than a bit boxy sounding. I think these do better with angelic voices and the upper midrange pure tones of instruments than your average singers vocal runs. I won't commit to my first impressions of them sounding distant but relatively speaking their tonality is a bit compressed and slightly stuffy. I do not mean to use the word stuffy as an antonym of transparent. I think this is a pretty clear sounding headphone in most ways of the meaning. Its just that while I can hear easily through all of the other sounds and hone in on the vocalist, I am left unconvinced that it was the special part of the song and feel a little disconnected. This is because there is not much life and bloom in the middle mids or some area that I haven't tried to nail down as the culprit. FWIW I had almost a similar impression of the T1 when I heard it but its expectedly better transparency and speed made for a more liberating experience. Now hear me out...I reiterate that I am not calling it totally recessed, some may find it balanced and I won't argue with them, I just personally find it the only weak area of the headphone.
HIGHS
The more I listen, I want to call this area balanced and will go out on a limb to conclude it so. It may have a slight boost and some sibilance present, but to echo my first impressions I don't find it too problematic. Of the two headphones I compared it to it is the least problematic to me in the sibilance region. I applaud the highs and don't find them hard, strident, splashy, whispy, but solid, realistic, clean, yet just a tad over neutral. The extension in the highs seem decent but I am not gonna call these headphones airy. They remind me of the alpha dog in the highs but I may prefer these highs over the alpha dogs. They also remind me of an he-560, but with a softer treble.
BALANCE SUMMARY
I don't know whats up with me.... I get nervous to post impressions thinking everyone is going to disagree with me in some area and I have to get it right etc but you know what... We all go through changes. We may hear a headphone from someone else's perspective and align ours with theirs. We may go through brain burn ins where some parts of an aspect become disagreeable then later we learn to like those aspects. The grain of salt is that even so, we will be reading and hearing at those different stages of personal experience so that leaves room for even more varying opinions. Earlier I said that I wanted more bass when I first heard them, still I desire more but now I find it just right for professional use. and wish for a hint more tightness, a little more bloom in the mids, and a shade more extension in the highs. However, this could all come from me nitpicking instead of enjoying my music. Do these enable me to enjoy my music??? If I had to buy these headphones would I find my money well spent?? YES AND YES. I believe this a decently balanced headphone and one that could make me ( an hd650 head) a Beyer fan (fav Beyer so far).
SOUNDSTAGE/ IMAGING / DETAILS
I like the Beyer Dt1770 soundstage. Im allowed to like anything I want but I think some others may like it as well. Its not huge, its not small. The soundstage in my opinion is medium sized. Okay maybe a shade over the medium size. I find the z7 to do better hear and offer more dimension overall but the DT1770 is no slouch. The imaging isn't bad but the instrument separation is great! They easily carve their way through busy songs and handle loads of instruments without too much blurring of distinctions. What helps is that the tones have a solidity to them that keeps things from sounding all swishy when a lot is going on. The transient edges are very well defined for a closed back and make for good separation. My ZMF Omni is bettered by the DT1770 when things get a real hectic. Details aren't hard to find in this headphone. There are certain qualities about it that make it earn its price tag. When you get your hands on a pair, some of the things mentioned in this section will make it apparent this is a high quality product and a great offering from Beyer.
BRIEF COMPARISONS "The death of Joy"
VS ZMF OMNI BLACKWOOD
COMFORT: TOSS UP (because I have the heavy wood, the other woods beat the dt1770 with a solid win for the OMNI) LEAKAGE: DT770 (easy win) LEAST BASS DISTORTION: DT 1770 (solid win) BASS PRESENCE: TIE BASS EXTENSION: ZMF OMNI (only by 1 1/2 db @ 20-30 hz ) BASS TIGHTNESS / SOLIDITY: ZMF OMNI ( easier to make rumble but distorts quicker ) MID RANGE: ZMF OMNI (easy win but would be tough for any closed/semi closed back I have heard to date beat) LEAST LOWER TREBLE GLARE PROBLEMS: DT1770 ( For some reason, probably the treble peak being boosted as well as the presence region, the Omni is being outshone here. I have my hand on the volume knob a bit more often then I do with the dt1770, this made my joy of the Omni take a little hit. When bells and things swell in volume through a recording the Omni is more resolving of dynamic range yet also more relentless and penetrating) MID TREBLE: ZMF OMNI (solid win for clarity) UPPER TREBLE: LOL SORRY CAN'T TELL lollll PROBLEMS WITH SPLASHINESS AND KEEPING COMPOSURE WITH BUSY SONGS: DT1770 (solid win) SOUNDSTAGE: ZMF OMNI (easy win, mostly wider than the DT770) OPENNESS: ZMF OMNI (easy win) IMAGING: ZMF OMNI (not so easy) INSTRUMENT SEPARATION: slight edge to OMNI DETAIL /TEXTURE: ZMF OMNI (solid win)
I say the death of Joy because the DT1770 made me come to terms with my Omni in certain areas that I was intentionally overlooking before. No headphone is perfect which is why some of you guys have so many. Its tough out here for us guys that can only afford a few at a time.
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COMPARED TO MY PIONEER HRM-7
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The HRM-7 is kind of outclassed and too bright to earn any recommendation over the the dt1770 or even as an alternative.
The sound stages are similar in size but the HRM-7 is more reverberant and cavernous with less distinct transient edges.
The mids are more realistic and life like on the Pioneer.
The bass is a hint more solid on the Pioneer but less textured and prone to distort quicker, its also less natural and a little less in quantity than the DT770. When eq'd right though that pioneer bass is very good earning a slight preference on very limited occasions.
The highs of the Pioneer are most definitely brighter than the DT1770 and I am surprised I am entertaining this headphone still. Maybe because the Pioneer punches high in price to performance and is a very good headphone overall. But man those highs are no joke lol. They do extend further up the FR than the DT1770 and sound more airy though.
The DT1770 prob shouldn't really be compared here, I am just doing it incase someone has one and wants to know the differences.
I have a hunch that If I modded the DT1770 by taming the highs and cleaning up some of that decay from the notes it would put it up there with the DT1770 almost.
vs new Torque heaphone
The Torque depending on its pad setting will offer more rumble and has better toe tapping qualities, better comfort, better isolation, less leakage, better sensitivity, but is not in the same class sonically. Neither are super bright and are relatively similar in the balance between the mids and highs. I actually prefer the New Torque 402v build but it is a portable headphone. I find it quite enjoyable, it can be called a bass head can on its highest bass setting for sure, where as the DT1770 can't.
Given a choice of either irregardless of price and what I currently had I would have to go with the DT1770 easily, its got the audiophile qualities some would prefer, musicality most need, and looks to keep your attention. Since I do not have a portable headphone I would would pick the Torque and jam out a bit while commuting. Different tunings and market targets.
DT1770 - for the pros and possibly an instant classic
Torque 402v - for the masses
Great headphone! If I had a wall of fame it would go up!
I am searching for something like the Vmoda Boom mike. Only with the mini XLR plug. That would make a nice professional headset out of the DT1770, just like the MMX 300. But only if needed, not permanently.
You could use the mini xlr 3P to 3.5mm converter akg to sennheiser 3F to 3.5F adapter (http://www.radioparts.com.au/product/30364934/pd4934-mini-xlr-3p-to-3.5mm-converter-akg-to-sennheiser-3f-to-3.5f#.ViM9eX6rSiM or http://www.ebay.com/itm/261020299263), and then use either the Vmoda (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BJ17WKK) or Beyerdynamic COP mic (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DHBVUCQ)
I agree with Grizzlybeast on a few points.
LEAST BASS DISTORTION Easy for me to heard that difference at RMAF. I heard the DT1770 at two stations, the Beyerdynamic and Headphone.com. I learn from experience that headphones with lower bass distortion tend to rubble less. Sometimes the rubble could be distortion in disguise. This article explains that the ear is not as sensitive to tell if the bass is distorting unless it is high. http://www.axiomaudio.com/distortion
I listen to classical music with wide dynamic range and the DT1770 seems to be well suited to that environment.
Mid range being a bit recessed? My feeling since the DT1770 has quite a bit of bass presence that does not bleed into the midrange which could make the mids sound a bit recessed. Only wearing the DT1770 for longer periods could I make the statement that the mids are recessed for sure.
I finally decided to order the DT1770 and I will see how well my impression at RMAF holds up at home. Then I will get rid of three headphones including my T70, Fostex and one other. The leatherette pads really helps with sound isolation at the RMAF show environment. I will keep my MSR7 headphone since I like it very much and very different sound signature from the DT1770.
I agree with Grizzlybeast on a few points.
LEAST BASS DISTORTION Easy for me to heard that difference at RMAF. I heard the DT1770 at two stations, the Beyerdynamic and Headphone.com. I learn from experience that headphones with lower bass distortion tend to rubble less. Sometimes the rubble could be distortion in disguise. This article explains that the ear is not as sensitive to tell if the bass is distorting unless it is high. http://www.axiomaudio.com/distortion
I listen to classical music with wide dynamic range and the DT1770 seems to be well suited to that environment.
Mid range being a bit recessed? My feeling since the DT1770 has quite a bit of bass presence that does not bleed into the midrange which could make the mids sound a bit recessed. Only wearing the DT1770 for longer periods could I make the statement that the mids are recessed for sure.
I finally decided to order the DT1770 and I will see how well my impression at RMAF holds up at home. Then I will get rid of three headphones including my T70, Fostex and one other. The leatherette pads really helps with sound isolation at the RMAF show environment. I will keep my MSR7 headphone since I like it very much and very different sound signature from the DT1770.
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