@abhinit90
Sure thing. Thanks.
 
 
 
@socks mk2
Speaking for myself, I'm actually both, because overall I prefer T1.2 but at the same time midrange from T1.1 were slightly more involved for me. It is the only area where I have any doubts about which pair is "better". I've had various headphones over the past 8+ years and mostly preferred closer and more intimate midrange. That is why I often use for example K240 DF. Music genres that I like are:
– Abstract
– Acoustic
– Ambient
– Ambientronica
– Black Metal
– Classical
– Dark Ambient
– Downtempo
– Drone
– Dubstep
– Electronic
– Electropop
– Experimental
– Goa Trance
– Hard Rock
– Heavy Metal
– IDM
– Industrial
– Progressive Rock
– Psychedelic Trance
– Score
– Traditional Electronic
and for the most part doesn't nessesairly require midrange to be exposed. It is just a matter of personal preference.
 
Little and short comparison between both versions:
Bass: more amount in 2nd. 1st were unfortunately too bass shy even for my ears.
Midrange: different presentation. 2nd more diffused and distant but softer and richier, HD800 style. 1st closer, more neutral and intimate, STAX style.
Highs: similar on both, but on 2nd slightly more refined and softened.
Soundstage: similar but with greater sense of depth with 2nd.
 
For games both will perform very well, except some high frequencies which can be piercing in many titles. I couldn't play much games with Q701 back in the days and prefered K550 instead.
 
I would say T1.2 is sharing more things with DT990/600 than T1.1. I've had this headphone for more than half a year. You can expect overall quality of the sound to be increased, slightly weaker bass, cleaner mids, cleaner highs with better detail retrieval and MUCH better soundstage with great holography and pinpoint accuracy. DT990/600 are very good premium class headphones, no doubt about it, but to my ears both variants of T1 were superior. 

evilkillaruna said:

@abhinit90

Sure thing. Thanks.



@socks mk2

Speaking for myself, I'm actually both, because overall I prefer T1.2 but at the same time midrange from T1.1 were slightly more involved for me. It is the only area where I have any doubts about which pair is "better". I've had various headphones over the past 8+ years and mostly preferred closer and more intimate midrange. That is why I often use for example K240 DF. Music genres that I like are:
– Abstract

– Acoustic

– Ambient

– Ambientronica

– Black Metal

– Classical

– Dark Ambient

– Downtempo

– Drone

– Dubstep

– Electronic

– Electropop

– Experimental

– Goa Trance

– Hard Rock

– Heavy Metal

– IDM

– Industrial

– Progressive Rock

– Psychedelic Trance

– Score

– Traditional Electronic
and for the most part doesn't nessesairly require midrange to be exposed. It is just a matter of personal preference.

Little and short comparison between both versions:
Bass: more amount in 2nd. 1st were unfortunately too bass shy even for my ears.
Midrange: different presentation. 2nd more diffused and distant but softer and richier, HD800 style. 1st closer, more neutral and intimate, STAX style.
Highs: similar on both, but on 2nd slightly more refined and softened.
Soundstage: similar but with greater sense of depth with 2nd.

For games both will perform very well, except some high frequencies which can be piercing in many titles. I couldn't play much games with Q701 back in the days and prefered K550 instead.

I would say T1.2 is sharing more things with DT990/600 than T1.1. I've had this headphone for more than half a year. You can expect overall quality of the sound to be increased, slightly weaker bass, cleaner mids, cleaner highs with better detail retrieval and MUCH better soundstage with great holography and pinpoint accuracy. DT990/600 are very good premium class headphones, no doubt about it, but to my ears both variants of T1 were superior. 

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Thank you buddy! Nice mini review! 701q vs T1 in gaming. Who wins? And does T1 have that immersive factor of D990 ?

Your welcome. Once I get some additional gear, there will be full review on my blog.
 
I think it is a little unfair duel - premium vs TOTL, different classes and price tags. But I'll try.
With Q701 I've had feeling many times, that AKG is trying to create some kind of "space within space". Wide bass area with stereo effects + smaller area inside with mids and highs. It was very spacial sounding bass with good extension but at the same time thin sounding midrange in terms of resolution and two peaks in 2-4 and 6-8 kHz range. Mods and cables can tame them and keep under control most of the time, but are still there. T1 on the other hand will excell Q701 with pure quality and more correct way of creating soundstage with greater holography and much greater accuracy. On both headphones you should be able to easily locate direction of sound source, but with T1, no matter which version, it will get shorter amount of time and with better sense of distance. With Q701 I often could catch myself with hearing things in front of me much closer than actually they were in the game. 
 
Various people found different aspects in DT990 or other headphones to be immersive for them. But to be honest - yes, they have something inside along those lines.

evilkillaruna said:

Your welcome. Once I get some additional gear, there will be full review on my blog.

I think it is a little unfair duel - premium vs TOTL, different classes and price tags. But I'll try.
With Q701 I've had feeling many times, that AKG is trying to create some kind of "space within space". Wide bass area with stereo effects + smaller area inside with mids and highs. It was very spacial sounding bass with good extension but at the same time thin sounding midrange in terms of resolution and two peaks in 2-4 and 6-8 kHz range. Mods and cables can tame them and keep under control most of the time, but are still there. T1 on the other hand will excell Q701 with pure quality and more correct way of creating soundstage with greater holography and much greater accuracy. On both headphones you should be able to easily locate direction of sound source, but with T1, no matter which version, it will get shorter amount of time and with better sense of distance. With Q701 I often could catch myself with hearing things in front of me much closer than actually they were in the game. 

Various people found different aspects in DT990 or other headphones to be immersive for them. But to be honest - yes, they have something inside along those lines.

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Thanks again, such comparison i wanted long time ago.

sailaway said:

  What amp are you using with the HE-560?

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Who, me? None yet, I haven't purchased either the headphone or the amp. Probably going to get an Asgard 2, though.

For all those who want to take control over highs and bring out some more forward mids without trading-off sense of space in newest Tesla T1, I suggest to take a look on small and fully reversible modification I did and described here: http://www.head-fi.org/t/612796/guide-how-to-properly-dampen-your-beyerdynamic-t1/210#post_12038720
It only requires Westone TrueFit tips and knife. No need for other tools or advanced skills. Just closing central port of the driver capsule with piece of such tips:
 

 
 
From what I've witnessed with previous T1, people tend to modify them by messing with dampering material inside ear cups. I strongly believe this way of approach is wrong, because of the driver itself and its behaviour. It is working properly only in conjunction with totally bald ear cup which works as acoustic deflector. Some of the sonic wave must be deflected and go back to us via wide piece of fabric behind the driver. If you block it, all your magic, sparkling and space can go away. That is causing the common trade-off: soundstage for tonality. My modification seems to be working mostly on tonality and setting up T1.2 pretty nicely in optimal position between midrange focus, highs reduction and soundstage preserving.
 
Of course it is still quite early but maybe some of you would try it out of pure curiosity. What I can hear is very promising and considering as fine tuning, although T1 are still on bright side so seeking for good synergy still can't be skipped.

Finally placed my order. I have only DT 1350 to compare it to. I'll post my impressions soon.
Cheers. 

evilkillaruna said:

From what I've witnessed with previous T1, people tend to modify them by messing with dampering material inside ear cups. I strongly believe this way of approach is wrong, because of the driver itself and its behaviour. It is working properly only in conjunction with totally bald ear cup which works as acoustic deflector.

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"Acoustic reflector"? Do you know this for a fact? People put damping in the cups because drivers need damping. "Acoustic reflections" in a headphone earcup usually result in nulls and nasty resonances, not soundstage.

Usually, unless it was designed that way. Then I would ask you following question: - what is exaclty "soundstage" and what conditions can create big or small soundstage in headphones?

evilkillaruna said:

  Usually, unless it was designed that way. Then I would ask you following question: - what is exaclty "soundstage" and what conditions can create big or small soundstage in headphones?

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I was merely questioning the line of reasoning that led you to believe that the earcup is being used as an acoustic reflector. It's an interesting idea, but I don't see much evidence one way or the other. Generally, headphones with large soundstage are open-backed, have angled drivers, and an uncolored or airy signature.

It is. My line of reasoning is backed-up by already done try-and-fail process with drivers and certain areas of the earcups. I've tried most of the other modifications and heard the results, which was led me to previously mentioned conclusion. But I've at least tried them in the first place. You don't have to trust me or believe me, just simply try it out and discover it for your own ears. 
You named all the things well, but there is one more thing: tonality. High to be precise. Many effects related with our perception of soundstage lies within the highest octaves of FR graph. And that is an important part of sound in T1 too, both revisions. 
 
BTW: you can observe similar behaviour in HD800, and the reason why Anax mod is actually working.

I know this is off topic but T1 mk1 ( or mk2) vs Hd650 for classic rock, jazz, classical, and metal. Which pair should i get ? I know the price is day and night different but i just one to hear your opinions. I would like the sound to be a bit warmth and dark with good soundstage and imaging. I tried DT880 and the treble is abit too piercing. What amp should i use to compliment the sound of either of the headphones. I appreciate any help from you guys.
 
P/S: source is PC (do i really need to invest in a DAC !?)
 
Thank you K,

evilkillaruna said:

  It is. My line of reasoning is backed-up by already done try-and-fail process with drivers and certain areas of the earcups. I've tried most of the other modifications and heard the results, which was led me to previously mentioned conclusion. But I've at least tried them in the first place. You don't have to trust me or believe me, just simply try it out and discover it for your own ears. 
You named all the things well, but there is one more thing: tonality. High to be precise. Many effects related with our perception of soundstage lies within the highest octaves of FR graph. And that is an important part of sound in T1 too, both revisions. 
 
BTW: you can observe similar behaviour in HD800, and the reason why Anax mod is actually working.

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The one more thing was covered by "airy". Very specific term.
 
So essentially, it's your subjective interpretation of the design, based on what you heard. Not necessary the actual engineering of the headphone at all.

Essentially, audio IS subjective matter in the first place. It always was, even with objective CSDs and THD measurements, it is at the end of the day a matter of subjective approach through certain perspective of gear, knowledge and experience.

nvidiagefore said:

  I know this is off topic but T1 mk1 ( or mk2) vs Hd650 for classic rock, jazz, classical, and metal. Which pair should i get ? I know the price is day and night different but i just one to hear your opinions. I would like the sound to be a bit warmth and dark with good soundstage and imaging. I tried DT880 and the treble is abit too piercing. What amp should i use to compliment the sound of either of the headphones. I appreciate any help from you guys.
 
P/S: source is PC (do i really need to invest in a DAC !?)
 
Thank you K,

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If you're looking for a headphone with warmth you're in the wrong place buddy LOL. Beyerdynamic is in the oposite direction. Most here will probably disagree but I think the HD650 is a better headphone compared to both T1 and the new T1.2. Especially if you take price into consideration. It's probably best if you create a thread here: http://www.head-fi.org/f/7840/introductions-help-and-recommendations
 
And then give some information about what exactly you're looking for. Budget is also a good thing to mention.