I love the n6 and quite like the pm3...
I hate the combination lol

That makes sense because both have similar signatures when considered independently. Together, it's too much of a good thing though.

Sounds like your cup of tea is solid, deep bass and a slight lower treble lift

loquah said:

That makes sense because both have similar signatures when considered independently. Together, it's too much of a good thing though.

Sounds like your cup of tea is solid, deep bass and a slight lower treble lift

Click to expand...

 
I agree with above.  I would have liked to have posted something more meaningful, however from my phone was a pain.
 
I think the Pervasion or an AK100mk2/ak120 from the original series would be a much better match for the PM3.  Provided the AK units had enough juice.
The HA2 actually sounds quite nice with the PM3, provided you dont mind using bass boost haha.
 
Yeah I dont even know what my cup of tea is to be honest.
I love my Ref1's with my Alien
I liked the 1964 V8 with the Alien
 
but I also love my Grado's.  I am just weird.

I hear you, brother, but good is good, even when it's outside our personal preference.

The Pervasion is nice with PM3, but sounds a touch closed-in.

I promised a surprise...

Here's an update on what's coming now that it's a reality.

From the X5ii Tour thread:

Thanks to a fortunate convergence of two tours and the generosity of lin0003, I now have in my possession the X5ii, Cayin N6, iBasso DX90 (Lin's) and HUM Pervasion (mine). I started a comparison last night and hope to complete it tonight / tomorrow so I can forward the X5ii before the end if the week.


It's not earth-shaking, but hopefully this comparison will prove as interesting to some of you as it is to me.

loquah said:

I promised a surprise...

Here's an update on what's coming now that it's a reality.

From the X5ii Tour thread:

Thanks to a fortunate convergence of two tours and the generosity of @lin0003, I now have in my possession the X5ii, Cayin N6, iBasso DX90 (Lin's) and HUM Pervasion (mine). I started a comparison last night and hope to complete it tonight / tomorrow so I can forward the X5ii before the end if the week.


It's not earth-shaking, but hopefully this comparison will prove as interesting to some of you as it is to me.

Click to expand...

 
You're too awesome for us right now!

loquah said:

I promised a surprise...

Here's an update on what's coming now that it's a reality.

From the X5ii Tour thread:

Thanks to a fortunate convergence of two tours and the generosity of lin0003, I now have in my possession the X5ii, Cayin N6, iBasso DX90 (Lin's) and HUM Pervasion (mine). I started a comparison last night and hope to complete it tonight / tomorrow so I can forward the X5ii before the end if the week.


It's not earth-shaking, but hopefully this comparison will prove as interesting to some of you as it is to me.

Click to expand...

Really interested in your take on this, especially where all DAP's slot in your ranking position.

See how these unfolds.

Well, the wait is over! I'll be writing a more detailed review on my blog, but here's a mid-thread-sized summary...
 
 

Epic DAP Shootout Summary

The contenders

1. Cayin N6 (courtesy of the Cayin N6 Australian tour)
   (AUD $750)
2. HUM Pervasion
   (AUD $530)
3. Fiio X5 2nd Generation (courtesy of the FiiO X5ii Australian tour)
   (AUD $440)
4. iBasso DX90 (courtesy of @lin0003)
   (AUD $660)

 
Note: prices are indicative and approximate only, especially for the HUM Pervasion which is not available from any Australian retailer I could find (according to their websites as of 7/7/15).
 

Testing Methods and Gear

1. IEMs:  Noble Kaiser 10
2. Portable Headphones:  Oppo PM-3 (courtesy of @d marc0)
3. Desktop Headphones:  Audeze LCD-2 (just pre-fazor)

 
A range of tracks were used including:

1. Steely Dan - Home At Last (DSD & 44.1kHz / 24-bit WAV)
2. Alison Krauss & Union Station - Lay My Burden Down (96kHz / 24-bit FLAC & 44.1kHz / 24-bit WAV)
3. Australian Chamber Orchestra - Mozart Symphony No. 40, Menuetto (44.1kHz / 16-bit FLAC)
4. Sarah McLachlan - Fallen (Live) (44.1kHz / 16-bit FLAC)

 
All comparisons were volume matched as closely as possible by ear and all listening was conducted over longer periods to avoid initial biases to different signatures between devices.
 

Non SQ Pros & Cons

Each device offers unique benefits and drawbacks. What is a 'dealbreaker' for you may not be for me and vice versa.
 

Cayin N6

 
Pros: Gorgeous design. Coaxial out. Outstanding build quality.
Cons: Large. A bit heavy. No playlist support. User interface is a bit immature and feels a bit bland, but not in a deliberate, stripped-back way. The high gain mode seems completely redundant given how powerful low gain is and how wide the volume range is.
 

HUM Pervasion

 
Pros: Android interface is highly customisable including the choice of various player apps and their individual features. Compact size. Light weight. Large screen. Touch screen. Full playlist support.
Cons: No hi-res audio support. Looks a bit basic and cheap (but feels good so this is not a reflection of actual quality). Interface is generally responsive, but could be a touch snappier. No USB DAC functionality (all other DAPs in this comparison have this feature).
 

FiiO X5 2nd Generation

 
Pros: Best power management system so good battery life. Twin micro SD slots means more storage than the others.
Cons: Playlist support is there, but it's clunky (you have to go into the folders to access externally created playlists). Interface is quite slow when moving through levels of the browser. Scroll wheel is imprecise and doesn't always move the onscreen cursor even though there is a clear tactile 'click' from the wheel.
 

iBasso DX90

 
Pros: Very compact. Touch screen. Snappy and responsive interface. Attractive, but simple design. Apparently can run Rockbox (not tested).
Cons: No playlist support (stock firmwares, not Rockbox). Screen is quite small for a touch interface.
 
So, the conclusion from all of this is that they are all quite balanced in their offerings. The N6 wins on aesthetics while the X5 wins on power management, the DX90 triumphs for size and the Pervasion is superior for customisation and interface functionality (playlists, etc.). You might have found some dealbreakers already, but for me it was still very much up in the air and requires sound quality and power comparisons to really separate these four excellent offerings.
 

Earphone & Headphone Power / Quality Comparisons

I tested each player with IEMs, slightly challenging portable headphones (Oppo PM-3), and challenging desktop headphones (Audeze LCD 2). In all cases, the EQ functions were off and only the onboard amplification was used to drive each load. All players handled each load with no trouble at all. The only points of note were how much volume was required for different loads and a tiny bit of noise through IEMs in one situation.
 

IEMs

 
This is where I heard some noise from the HUM Pervasion, but only when the screen was on. That might worry some people, but I don't really mind because the screen is off for 99% of my listening. The noise is noticeable though so some might have an issue with it for IEM usage. In terms of the comparison, the Pervasion was the only one with such an issue.
 
As for volume levels with IEMs, each player was fully capable of driving IEMs without channel imbalances or too much volume (i.e. not enough usable range on the volume control). This was helped by the N6, X5ii, and DX90 all having digital volume controls. The Pervasion was slightly more challenging with stock settings, but player apps like PlayerPro allow digital ('lossless') gain reduction which rectifies this issue completely. On top of that, the Pervasion's analog volume control has excellent channel balance right down to the very lowest levels.
 
In short, you can't really split these players on IEM performance, except if the screen noise from the Pervasion is a no-go for you.
 
Volumes required to comfortably drive Noble K10s:

1. Cayin N6: 20% (low gain)
2. HUM Pervasion: impossible to accurately guage on analog control, but good usable range
3. FiiO X5ii: 40% (low gain)
4. iBasso DX90: 70% (low gain)

 

Portable Headphones

 
I chose the PM-3s for this test because they're more challenging than something like the Thinksound On1, but as it turns out, none of these players had any trouble with the slightly more challenging planar technology of the PM-3s. I tested the PM-3s with the Shozy Alien just to check if the PM-3s were easier to drive than I thought and the Alien's lack of performance with the PM-3s proved that they are a little bit challenging if a device's amp doesn't have some grunt. What this means is that all of the players in this comparison are able to comfortably and authoritatively drive even challenging portable headphones equally. Of course, sound signature will come into how good it sounds, but this is just about power for now.
 
Volumes required to comfortably drive Oppo PM-3s:

1. Cayin N6: 40% (low gain)
2. HUM Pervasion: impossible to accurately guage on analog control, but plenty of available headroom
3. FiiO X5ii: 73% (low gain)
4. iBasso DX90: 79% (medium gain)

 

Desktop Headphones

 
I decided on the LCD 2s for this test because they are also challenging to drive. For the sake of power testing only, I thought the LCDs were a good option, but I personally find them quite forgiving so I double-checked with HD800s to make sure that the sound was also being well-controlled and maintained, not just volume levels. In all cases I was surprised at how well the DAPs managed with these full-size cans.
 
Volumes required to comfortably drive Audeze LCD 2s:

1. Cayin N6: 60% (low gain)
2. HUM Pervasion: impossible to accurately guage on analog control, but plenty of available headroom
3. FiiO X5ii: 80% (high gain)
4. iBasso DX90: 90% (high gain)

 
As you can see, at this level the X5ii and DX90 are reaching their limits. If you're a loud listener you would probably run out of juice with those two options. The N6 is clearly the ballsiest of the bunch, but the Pervasion held its own very well and had plenty of headroom remaining on the volume.
 
At this point I have to question the point in having a high gain mode on the N6. It has sufficient range to drive IEMs and desktop cans all in low gain mode so I don't get why they created two modes, but it doesn't hurt I guess.
 

Sound Quality & Overall Impressions

To test the sound quality, I used the Noble K10s across the board while also taking into account what I heard during the headphone tests. I will share some subjective observations about what I heard and also my personal preferences for each presentation, but keep in mind that my tastes hear might vary from yours.
 

Cayin N6

 
The N6 offers excellent bass power and presence with a lift in the lower treble that makes the overall sound a little bit cool and a touch edgy. Personally, I find that this lower treble emphasis creates an unnatural 'plasticness' to the sound that distracts me from the rest of the signature and results in a quite forward and blunt sound. It can make the N6 seem extra detailed (depending on the 'phones used), but I think overall it's a drawback. Switching to the line-out shows that this characteristic comes from the DAC rather than the amp as the N6 sounds almost identical when its signal is fed to a transparent amp.
 
In terms of staging and presentation, the N6 is the widest sounding of the lot, but is very flat sounding (due in part to that lower treble lift). Everything from the N6 sounds like it's stretched wide between your ears, but it doesn't really extend forwards much. Interestingly, the presentation varies greatly between DSD and PCM files with DSD sounding noticeably more spacious and organic. PCM files are largely 'in-your-face' and a bit congested to my ears with higher res (96kHz / 24-bit) faring slightly better than redbook files (44.1kHz / 16-bit).
 
Overall, the N6 presents a very detailed recreation of a recording and never tricked me into forgetting that it was a recording. Technically it's great, but it lacks soul to my ears with most of the pairings I tried. With spacious-sounding 'phones like the HD800s, the N6 sounds better, but other DAPs in this comparison are able to achieve this same sense of space and reality with a wider range of 'phones.
 

HUM Pervasion

 
The Pervasion is like the anti-N6. It is smoother in the treble and a little bit warm, although it does share a similar powerful bass presence with the N6.
 
In doing this test I discovered that the Pervasion may have a slightly higher-than-ideal output impedance because it sounds a bit warm with the K10s, but seems less warm with the headphones used for testing. This is further corroborated by testing the line-out which shows a very neutral and clean sounding DAC output. The line-out is still smooth, but not warm - it's actually very neutral across the board and makes for an exceptional source to an external amp.
 
So, with the K10s I would describe the Pervasion as about 2% too warm and thick, but with the headphones used I would say the Pervasion is spot on in terms of its signature. It offers excellent treble and bass extension and clarity, and slightly creamy mids that are organic and rich without becoming thick or slow.
 
In terms of staging and presentation, the Pervasion throws a fairly narrow stage, but a stage with good forward projection. It's a very lifelike presentation that is reminiscent of a live performance although a tiny bit more width would be great. Unlike the N6, I find with the Pervasion that the sense of listening to a recording is quickly lost and just the enjoyment of the music remains.
 
Overall, the Pervasion offers the second most true-to-life listening experience of this comparison and if we take out the extra warmth with IEMs, the Pervasion might actually edge in front...
 

FiiO X5 2nd Generation

 
The X5ii sounds like an ugly love child of the Pervasion and the N6. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but it really combines the worst characteristics of both. In isolation, the X5ii sounds fine - good even - but in this company, the X5ii falls short to my ears.
 
Its sound is noticeably warm and a little bit thick due to treble that's slightly too smooth and perhaps a touch rolled-off. Where the original X5 could tend towards a slightly grainy treble, I feel like the X5ii is erring the other way and a bit too much. The signature of the X5ii is just warmer than neutral so it's not massively warm, but it's just a bit too smooth for its own good and could do with a touch of crispness or sharpness to keep things sounding energetic and lively. This issue seems to come directly from the amp stage in the X5ii, a issue I had with the original X5, too. If you connect the X5ii's line-out to a nice amplifier you are greeted with a much cleaner, crisper sound and actually a sound that, while still a touch 2-dimensional, is easily comparable to the other DAPs in this comparison and actually slightly more realistic sounding than the N6 to my ears because the X5ii doesn't have the enhanced lower treble.
 
In terms of presentation, the X5ii is quite similar to the N6. It stretches the sounds well from left to right, although not quite as widely as the N6, but it lacks much forward projection and ends up sounding a bit flat and 2-dimensional, much like the N6. Also like the N6, the X5ii improves greatly with DSD files compared to PCM files although it's not quite as noticeable with the X5ii as it was with the N6.
 
Overall, the X5ii is a great choice if you run a separate amplifier, but on standalone sound quality it falls pretty short of the others in this comparison, in my opinion. I suppose we should keep price in mind here because it's the cheapest of the bunch, but as a direct competitor in many other ways, it's a shame that the headphone output isn't of higher quality.
 

iBasso DX90

 
The iBasso DX90 stole the show for me. I've already alluded to the fact that there were two players I enjoyed almost equally and the DX90 is my 1A to the Pervasion as my 1B.
 
The DX90 has a perfect signature that is neutral and clean without becoming clinical. The music retains its soul without becoming thick or warm. I always find it a good sign if I can't really describe the signature of a player and that's how it is with the DX90. If I compare it to the Pervasion driving headphones (not IEMs affected by higher output impedance), the two sound very similar except that the DX90 is very slightly more open in the treble and a little bit crisper as a result. Depending on the 'phones, the DX90 vs Pervasion question might come down to whether you want a touch or crispness or a touch of smoothness.
 
In terms of presentation, the DX90 also strikes a perfect balance between all of the players in this comparison. It sounds wider than Pervasion, but not as wide as the N6 and it projects forward more like the Pervasion and therefore has a nice, 3-dimensional sound. It doesn't offer a huge soundstage, but none of the DAPs in this comparison do so the DX90 is the best of the bunch in this area, in my opinion. It was also encouraging to notice that DSD and PCM files sounded almost identical (in terms of spatial presentation) on the DX90 so there's not that massive quality difference between DSD and PCM that was evident with the N6 and to a lesser degree with the X5ii.
 

Conclusions and Opinions

 
If I had to buy one of these players today, the decision for me would come down to either the DX90 or the Pervasion. To my mind, the N6 is too expensive and doesn't sound as good as the alternatives unless you're listening only to DSD, but even then it still has slightly unnatural treble. The X5ii just doesn't cut it in this company and unless your budget just can't stretch higher, I don't see why you'd choose it over any of these.
 
As for the DX90 / Pervasion decision, that's tougher...
 
The DX90 looks better, feels better (by a small margin), has a snappier interface, crisper sound, and no variation of signature with low impedance IEMs, but lacks playlist support and is noticeably less powerful than the Pervasion both in terms of its headphone output and its line out which is quite low voltage it seems (based on the level of volume required from my external amp).
 
The Pervasion has a beautiful big screen which looks great and is easier to interact with as a touch interface. It also has more power, full playlist support, customisation options via player apps to allow replay gain, cross-feed, virtualisers, and bass boost, but it doesn't do hi-res audio and may have a slightly higher-than-ideal output impedance which may be a borderline issue with IEMs (not major like other units I've tried but it may be having a slight influence on the sound).
 
So, taking all of this into account, I actually have no idea which I would buy because playlists are important to me, but not crucial and the Pervasion is hard to buy because it's not readily available through retailers, but the DX90 is also more expensive and less powerful... I would probably end up with a DX90, but only because it's easier to buy. Honestly, I think both players are brilliant and significantly ahead of the Cayin N6 and FiiO X5ii, with apologies to both companies because your devices are excellent in isolation, but just don't stack against some of the tougher competition when measured by the features that I prioritise (mostly sound quality). If I prioritised power, DSD playback, battery life, or storage capacity above all else then the N6 or X5ii might gain some ground. I'll be interested to read the opinions of others as these tours continue.

Nice review!

Thanks. I wasn't sure how people might respond given that I'm not particularly fond of either tour unit.

^ I hope I feel the same way as you about both tour units, will save me a lot of cash 

I'd much prefer an honest review, thank you as always, great job.

t.r.a.n.c.e. said:

^ I hope I feel the same way as you about both tour units, will save me a lot of cash 

Click to expand...

Yeah, I was particularly worried about the N6!

Excellent comparison Lachlan... a great read indeed!

Great review- I'm on the US tour for the N6 "soon."
 
Buy a Pono, run it in balanced mode, be happy.