Head-Fi Basshead IEM thread (lists page 1)
May 18, 2016 at 12:20 AM Post #7,531 of 12,591
However, it is worth to note that not only the vent prevent the drivers from getting damaged,

This was the part that threw me off. If it's not anything to worry about, I'm cool with that. Just paranoid...can't afford to wreck a fairly expensive set of headphones, at least for me.
 
May 18, 2016 at 12:28 AM Post #7,532 of 12,591
However, it is worth to note that not only the vent prevent the drivers from getting damaged,

This was the part that threw me off. If it's not anything to worry about, I'm cool with that. Just paranoid...can't afford to wreck a fairly expensive set of headphones, at least for me.


 Pretty sure he is ref'ing acoustic accuracy and he probably isn't a basshead so...no worries. I feed my ex800 an iFi in Turbo mode
(4,000mW into 16 ohm)...you should be fine.
 
May 18, 2016 at 1:23 AM Post #7,535 of 12,591
  @Hawaiibadboy What tips do you use for your 1964 U8? Because of the long nozzle, how do silicone tips with wide openings work? It would seem that the nozzle just goes through, past the tip, and ends up touching your canal.

 
 
I've used sure seal, comply's and sony hybrids.  They all work well, but I like the sony hybrids ML (medium long) best.
 
Just because the nozzle is so long doesn't mean you have to insert it all the way 
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.  I actually like that they are that long.  With the sony's i can have a good seal and not have the iem touching my ears to irritate it. 
 
May 18, 2016 at 1:39 AM Post #7,536 of 12,591
   
 
I've used sure seal, comply's and sony hybrids.  They all work well, but I like the sony hybrids ML (medium long) best.
 
Just because the nozzle is so long doesn't mean you have to insert it all the way 
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.  I actually like that they are that long.  With the sony's i can have a good seal and not have the iem touching my ears to irritate it. 

Where do you find the medium long ones? I'm only seeing the standard S/M/L sizes. Don't the tips end up being inserted all the way anyway once you push the IEMs into your ear? There's nothing stopping them from free-sliding.
 
May 18, 2016 at 2:21 AM Post #7,538 of 12,591
  The TK13's are on their way. Here's hoping they can roll with the big boys.
 
Had to pay full price but it's all good, one day I'll start getting gear for free
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The only person who gets free stuff that I trust is Brooko. That guy will debate you. Most others cannot even touch the issue of the items status. Very very un professional which is proper since they are not in fact pro's at anything.
 
Most of the free stuff is crap.  just my very meek humble opinion
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May 18, 2016 at 2:44 AM Post #7,539 of 12,591
  Where do you find the medium long ones? I'm only seeing the standard S/M/L sizes. Don't the tips end up being inserted all the way anyway once you push the IEMs into your ear? There's nothing stopping them from free-sliding.

 
 
Only place that I've found the ML size was in the set of tips that came with the ex1000.  Been trying to find it elsewhere with no luck.  You can find the LL size on ebay, I just bought a set.  The large was also good but it was on the bigger side and it irritated my canal after awhile.
 
The nozzle on the U8 is bigger than the tip opening.  This created enough friction where the nozzle didn't slide to the end of the tip when inserting into your ears.  also thats why i liked longer sized hybrids.  it's a mm or two longer than the regular ones, so i could get a seal without pushing the iem to far in.
 
May 18, 2016 at 8:10 AM Post #7,540 of 12,591
   
 
I don't know who the **** you think you are brah??
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
But thanks for coming
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You did something besides run your yapper.
 
Burn yappers buuuuuurn!!!!!!!!!!!
 

 
 
 
 
 
 
You even used te same track as over ears......lifetime bass pass!!!
 
 
I gotta go to bed... but bravo !!
 
BRAVO!!!


How it went....
 




 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 



How it should have gone...


 
 
 
forums forums
 
May 18, 2016 at 2:18 PM Post #7,541 of 12,591
So here is my
 
amateur REVIEW of the BEATS TOUR 2.0 and the V-MODA ZN
 
Since it is often hard to compare things and get a feel, if this fits you or not, I will have a personal 0-10 rating.
 
 
_______SETUP:
 
Listening with the iPod Shuffle (newest Generation), the Sony Z5 Compact and via my Steinberg UR22 USB Audio Interface.
Using the delivered tips and also the InAir-Foam-Tips
Music was EDM, Drum n Bass and Trance
 
 
_______Seal / Fit:

Beats Tour 2.0 (2/10) - I had some issues with every tip to get a good fit, they always seemed to slowly slip out. Maybe it is due to my small ears, often got problems. But if you research for them, many other do find a fast and good seal with them, so dont trust my problems. (sidenote: didnt use the wing tips, but I dont like these gimmicks)
 
V-Moda ZN (10/10) - all I wanted. With the shipped tips and also my InAirs they fit very much. In my Opinion with the InAirs the Bass kicks even harder, the BLISS tips are a bit better than the normal tips, but not a "Oh my" worth. You can easily wear them the normal "cable down" style or even "around ear", I had no issues with them both ways, even in the gym. The 3-Button connector could be a bit more down, but still with "around ear" style they arent too near the ear, but they might with the supplied ear hooks. I didnt use them, they can be worn around the ear also without them. (side note: some complain about the cable being to heavy or even the Y-Connector / 3-Button Remote, but I cant understand that critique. It is really really lightweight)
 
_______Soundstage:
 
Beats Tour 2.0 (6/10) - They improved, but its still somewhat "muddy", but not bad. It is okay, a bit too narrow, nothing you would complain about unless you compare it to the

V-Moda ZN (10/10) - great, never heard this before, it is even an upgrade to the soundstage of my Crossfade LP2 (in my opinion). never heard a this nice soudnstage, wide, seperate, great! cant complain. I even heard some instruments better out of the whole mix than in the past. It feels great and separated, cant say this more often!
 

_______SOUND:
 
Beats Tour 2.0 (7/10) - Clarity is not best, but definitely better than the old series. For average consumers it is great, very great. For audiophiles a small bit too muddy. The Bass is great, as always on the beats, but the Kick is not always precise, sometimes too rumbly and not "kicky". It got a good extend into the deeper bass area. But I was surprised that the Beats Tour NEVER (even with a bad seal) have any sibilance whatsoever in the highs! The mids are a small bit overcome by the bass, but thats not much.
 
V-Moda ZN (10/10) - with the supplied tips I had great sound, but I switched to the InAirs and got a more beefy kick and less sibilance in the highs. But even with the supplied tips, I had near zero sibilance (so no need to fear these). Compared to my Crossfade LP, these have nearly the same strong kick (stronger than the Beats Tour 2.0, but this might be due to seal problems) and even a better clarity than the Crossfade. I would say, every audiophile will get satisfied here, and even some Bassheads will have fun with these. (@Hawaiibadboy, maybe test them out?
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hehe). But still the bass doesnt hits as hard as the Pioneer SE-CX8. If you would rate the Bass on the Pioneer SE-CX8 as a 10/10, then the ZN would be around 7/10 
 
_______Value/Money :
since you can get these via Amazon Warehouse Deals for way less than the Fullprice for nearly non downsides, I will compare this with the Amazon Warehouse Deal pricetag.
 
Beats Tour 2.0 - 50€ (10/10) - In my oppinion these IEMs are worth around 60-70€, except the housing which might get you troubles with the seal/fit, you get a great sound, a stylish and sturdy IEM for having fun. This might not be great for audiophiles due to the bit muddyness. But still, big props!
 
V-Moda ZN - 110€ (10/10) - V-Moda did it again, they surprised me. Bringing such a big and detailled sound with a 8mm dynamic driver is insane. I am so happy I found these. I would spend for these up to 200€ (but you shouldnt forget that I never spend more than this much, and Im a student which dont have much left for headphones). I dont know if they are as great (or better) as 300-1000€ IEMs since I never heard or owned any.
 
_______Verdict:
 
Beats Tour 2.0 (7/10) - I like the sound, big ups for Beats getting that fixed. They also look stylish and the cable seems sturdy. Sadly the fit doesnt fit me (he..he..
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). They are still somewhat muddy and the soundstage isnt the greatest. But they are worth to mention.
 
 
V-Moda ZN (9.9/10) - Overall im impressed. They seem to be even an upgrade to my V-Moda Crossfade LP2, which surprises me, and even fulfill my basslove. They can be worn in 2 styles (down the ear and around the ear) and they are well build and lightweight. I love that they go deep into the ear and get an easy fit. The Cable is not too thick nor too thin, but it is very sturdy. The only thing I would like to have different is the 3-Button Remote to be further down on the cable and the 3.5 connector a little bit smaller (but this is only on the 3-button ZNs). And I have to take the IEMs out with care, since the housing isnt as big (as for example the Beats Tour 2.0), I pull them out with the cable. But still, as a little topping to all, I can wear them and sleep with them without them pushing against my ear-canal hence their small housing
 
 
Im also quite surprised that the ZN have a better bass (for me atleast).
All these ratings and impressions are vague, since my Headphone History is just
V-Moda Crossfade LP2,
Sennheiser HD 25 II,
Pioneer SE-CX 8,
JBL Synchro Reflect I
RHA T10i
Beats Solo HD
(and some not worth to be mentioned)
 
 
_______Not tested:
 
Microphonics - I always hear microphonics, but ONLY when I dont have music on. Even IF there would be microphonics with music on, I would blend them out passively. For me, it didnt bother me on either IEM, but so does it for any other IEM.
 
Accessories - For me, as long as you get the Headphone itself, its great. Most of us got some other Comply or any other Tips they use. And gimmick things like the earhook or the wingtips or anything else are nice, but for me just gimmicks that you have to care for not to loose or whatever.
 
Microphone - cant compare it to anything
 
Sound leakage - do not have someone to tell me how bad they might leak.
 
 
 
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I hope this is somewhat good, BUT you shouldnt forget that I am a normal living student which loves better Headphones than the normal ones, and do not have that much experience. And sorry for my sometimes bad english hehe.
 
 
 
Changelog:
-more on verdict
-added bass comparison ZN vs SE-CX8
-added Value/Money
-added a small point for verdict - zn
 
May 18, 2016 at 3:44 PM Post #7,543 of 12,591
^very nice, thanks for sharing! One small thing perhaps. A value category or cost would be helpful as I've found bang-for-the-buck to be a critical metric for product efficacy. Well done!

thank you, added it. :)

Thinking about opening a new thread for this review, since searching for this might be easier, but idk if this is worthy for a whole new topic 
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May 18, 2016 at 3:48 PM Post #7,545 of 12,591

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