[pfloyd]

Yep, same here.

After nearly 60 hours of burn-in, the Verb IEMs still sound muddy and unfocused.  Will report again after the suggested 100 hours...

 

[Anaximandros]

Why should the muddy and bloated bass be gone after hours and hours of burn in?
If there is a difference in SQ, then it's going to be subtle.

 

[doublea71]

I wonder if the OEM they used screened LH's logo on the wrong model. The Xuma-branded one for sale on BH Photo's website looks identical to the Verb on the outside, but they are different internally. Is it possible LH were shipped the crappy Xumas with their logo on them? LH has stated that they were told the shell design would be theirs exclusively, which they have obviously reneged on. Just a bit of hypothesizing.

 

[doctorjazz]

Interesting how different the impressions are. They won't knock my Audeo PFE 232 off their pedestals, but I find them enjoyable, fit somewhat odd, sometimes easy to get in, sometimes that teardrop shape just won't seal, but I find them open, not muddy (I did on the pre break in listen, I know, I know, break in doesn't do anything, don't want to argue). I have no problem skewering LH labs (look back at previous posts of mine, they likely don't like to see my username on posts or emails/tickets), but, just don't hear what others are hearing (and some others seem to hear it like I do). Still like my FAD Heaven V better, haven't done head to head with the too-many-other iems I have, but could it be some manufacturing issue? I'm generally the one in these threads that has something negative to say about the latest FOTM everyone is raving about (maybe that's it...since so many dislike these, I have to be on the other side... )

 

[TedC]

Precisely my point.  I have heard speakers, amps, cables etc. improve - sometimes dramatically - after many hours of burn-in, but none of those items had such drastic problems as the Verbs.  The improvements manifested in sound stage stability and space, for example.  From what I am hearing now, it is indeed unclear that more burn-in will make the Verbs better.

 

[pfloyd]

I strongly suspect that the Verbs and Xumas are exactly the same inside and out, despite specification claims.

I wonder if the OEM they used screened LH's logo on the wrong model. The Xuma-branded one for sale on BH Photo's website looks identical to the Verb on the outside, but they are different internally. Is it possible LH were shipped the crappy Xumas with their logo on them? LH has stated that they were told the shell design would be theirs exclusively, which they have obviously reneged on. Just a bit of hypothesizing.

 

[doublea71]

I strongly suspect that the Verbs and Xumas are exactly the same inside and out, despite specification claims.

This is possible, but hasn't been confirmed by anybody, so we should probably not start making unsubstantiated claims. Maybe somebody will sacrifice a pair of Verbs and Xumas for science?

 

[greenkiwi]

Well... my white headphones are getting 100-200h of burn in... just letting them go... various white/grey/pink noise plus sweeps.  Then I get to see two things, one does it improve the sound at all... and does it sound any different than the non-broken in black pair.  Both have about 20m of listening before I couldn't listen any more.
 
Then I'll plug them both into my Emotiva DC-1 and (if it doesn't have background noise) give them a listen with effectively a completely identical environment.  

 

[alvin1118]

Can anyone share the link of xuma iem?

 

[nudd]

Well I have just got the Verb and it sounds really terrible.
 
I was hoping to be pleasantly surprised given I really like the Geek Out, but it is really horrible, boomy uncontrolled bass bloated sound.
 
Oh well. Here's hoping the infinity is not a disappointment. Fingers crossed!

 

[doctorjazz]

I posted when I first got them that they sounded bad, muddy. Break them in for 4-5 days, then listen again.

 

[shotgunshane]

No amount of run in is going to remove the mountain of bass many are hearing.  Some are EQ'ing down 10db's of bass and saying it's still bassy. It seems a small percentage (so far very small) may not contain anywhere near as much bass.  Regardless of bass quantity, I can't get over the lack of resonance stability in the housings.  It's like a metal yodeling chamber and that's a sound killer regardless of signature.

 

[Anaximandros]

The "metal yodeling" chamber is a feature.
 
From IGG:
 
Thanks to their metal alloy anti-resonance (AGM) enclosure and tuned port, Geek IEM's feature an ultra-wide bandwidth with vigorous bass, sweet mids and clear highs.
 
I'm going to receive 2 Verbs, which were bought as a gift for friends. If they are indeed garbage, I'm going to burn them... still can't believe, based on the reviews, that this is something Gavin und Larry love soundwise.

 

[doctorjazz]

I have to pull mine out again, pretty weird, not finding them unpleasant (at least when I listened to them, have better iems I spend my limited time with), didn't find the bass overwhelming when I listened after burn in. Pull them out tonight when I get home from work, maybe I'm missing something...

 

[shotgunshane]

The "metal yodeling" chamber is a feature.

From IGG:

Thanks to their metal alloy anti-resonance (AGM) enclosure and tuned port, Geek IEM's feature an ultra-wide bandwidth with vigorous bass, sweet mids and clear highs.

I'm going to receive 2 Verbs, which were bought as a gift for friends. If they are indeed garbage, I'm going to burn them... still can't believe, based on the reviews, that this is something Gavin und Larry love soundwise.

Lol, unfortunaltely I don't find it to be anti-resonant but rather resonant abundant.

It would be interesting for someone to compare their overly bassy pair to a demo pair at the next show LH attends. It would be nice to know if this SQ is intended or there are serious QC issues.