zilch0md said:

   
Yes, I can run faster downhill than I can run uphill.  How fast do I run?

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Not fast enough.  You're too slow!

kryten123 said:

  I do have to say, I find it quite funny all these people fretting about what others will think about them.

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I think I'd rather be exposed as a drunk than an audiophile
 
.....But really, I don't care that it looks like a flask, I just don't like the design much.
 
That wouldn't knock it off my 'audition' wishlist though, if it meets my other needs.

q mass said:

I think I'd rather be exposed as a drunk than an audiophile

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Good one lol!
 
Maybe "drunk audiophile" would be okay? But definitely not "exposing drunk audiophile"

q mass said:

I think I'd rather be exposed as a drunk than an audiophile :evil:

.....But really, I don't care that it looks like a flask, I just don't like the design much.

That wouldn't knock it off my 'audition' wishlist though, if it meets my other needs.

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Ha ha! I must admit, I agree!

echoboxaudio said:

the first media player designed from the ground up to cater to each and every one of the modern audiophile's needs and desires

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16GB or 64GB internal storage memory

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Nope.

q mass said:

I think I'd rather be exposed as a drunk than an audiophile :evil:

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Too late for me....my numerous CIEMs and strange bricks they were plugged into gave me away

It's looks like a drunk iPod 7g lol

echoboxaudio said:

  With it's discreetly flashy metal and genuine leather styling, a powerful 150 mW typical output 3.5mm spout that can drive all but the most demanding cans with finesse and ease

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gilly87 said:

  I'm sitting here listening to ye trusty ole HD650s straight out of that 150mW jack ....
 

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The only relevant competition we're aware of is the Sony ZX-1, but it only puts out 20 mW, while the Explorer pumps out 150 mW, which is plenty to drive an HD650 or similar.

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keanex said:

  I may have missed the discussion somewhere but 105mW into what impedance? 150mW is a useless number without talking about impedance, especially when the Sansa Clip+ outputs a maximum of 489mW with much less than 1% distortion. Numbers mean nothing without an anchor.

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My thoughts, exactly!
 
Fiio, for example, quote their X5 (coincidentally, also TI PCM1792-based) specs as follows:
 

 
 
That's a heck of a variation, which illustrates why we need to know what impedance the Echobox delivers 150mw into, please.
 
80-600mw is mentioned on the Echobox homepage, so it must have quite some current-draw. The flask form-factor is chunky enough to hide a fairly large battery, but if it's a higher-voltage pack, then... who knows. I'm guessing 6-7 hour battery duration?
 
 
 

tony1110 said:

Low output impedance is one of the single most important things that people in the market for a new DAP are going to be looking for. What is the output impedance of this device?

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Has the amp hardware been finalised yet? If so, I, like Tony, would much appreciate knowing what the output impedance is, please. Since the Echobox seems to be can-centric, rather than focused on IEMs/CIEMs, it does make me wonder how high the OI might be.
 

 
 

gilly87 said:

   
it's one of only two (to my knowledge) 24/192 capable DAPs that are Android based and thereby have access to streaming services like Spotify, Google Music, Pandora, and some pretty impressive new lossless streaming services like TIDAL. It's one thing to have a bunch of rips and vinyls taking up gigs upon gigs of memory, but streaming really is the future of the majority of audio consumption, and we're trying to bring audiophiles, enthusiasts, and music professionals into the future and put as much music as possible at their fingertips without compromising quality.
 

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A major problem with streaming is that it requires the listener to be connected to a hotspot (or have substantial data allowance, if using a cellphone on a cellular connection). Cellular devices notwithstanding, customers aren't going to be able to remain connected to a Wi-fi hotspot while they're walking around town. Probably only whilst on public transport or in a coffee shop.
 
Another major problem with streaming is that it guzzles battery life.  May I ask how long the battery lasts on the Echobox, when used for streaming and driving your HD650s?
 
 

gilly87 said:

 
 
Also (four), this announcement doesn't especially highlight what is perhaps my favorite feature: it can connect to another device like a computer or iPad via WiFi or DLNA/Airplay, to act as a DAC/AMP combo instead of a standalone DAP. To my knowledge there is no other player on the market that has this feature.
 

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I welcome new products to the DAP marketplace, and it's nice to see new companies entering the fray.
 
But, to be completely honest with you, this product makes little sense to me. It seems to be a DAP that's pocket-sized but intended for desktop use, on multiple counts (Wi-fi, cans etc.). In which case, why not just use a fullsize desktop device instead? I see little reason to use it at work, if its biggest focus is streaming, since the boss isn't going to take kindly to a DAP hooking up to the company network.
 
 

gilly87 said:

   
Let's be real for a second: how sweet would it be to be relaxing at your desk, listening to your best cans, and not have to unplug to go grab some food or a beer from the fridge, smoke a cig, or take a quick bio break? I know it's petty, but personally I'm a bit obsessive and I really hate interrupting my listening sessions for little stuff like that; it's way easier to be able to stick your DAC/AMP into your pocket real quick and just keep listening,
 

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This rather confirms my above remark - this product is pretending to be a portable device, but it's evidently conceived, primarily, for nothing more portable than walking around one's home.
 
That's your prerogative. All I'm saying is it's rather peculiar.
 
This makes it all the more important that you implement an SD/microSD expansion slot as quickly as possible, to enable people to put a more decent music library on the device, for when a Wi-fi hotspot is not available. I'm confident you'll do this.
 
I hope you have a successful CES, and congratulations for getting your product on the Beyerdynamic stand!
 
 
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mython said:

 

Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler!

 
 
 
 
 
My thoughts, exactly!
 
Fiio, for example, quote their X5 (coincidentally, also TI PCM1792-based) specs as follows:
 

 
 
That's a heck of a variation, which illustrates why we need to know what impedance the Echobox delivers 150mw into, please.
 
 
 
 
 
A major problem with streaming is that it requires the listener to be connected to a hotspot (or have substantial data allowance, if using a cellphone on a cellular connection). Cellular devices notwithstanding, customers aren't going to be able to remain connected to a hotspot while they're walking around town. Probably only whilst on public transport or in a coffee shop.
 
Another major problem with streaming is that it guzzles battery life.  May I ask how long the battery lasts on the Echobox, when used for streaming and driving your HD650s?
 
 
 
I welcome new products to the DAP marketplace, and it's nice to see new companies entering the fray.
 
But, to be completely honest with you, this product makes little sense to me. It seems to be a DAP that's pocket-sized but intended for desktop use, on multiple counts. In which case, why not just use a fullsize desktop device instead? I see little reason to use it at work, if its biggest focus is streaming, since the boss isn't going to take kindly to a DAP hooking up the company network.
 
 
 
This rather confirms my above remark - this product is pretending to be a portable device, but it's evidently conceived, primarily, for nothing more portable than walking around one's home.
 
That's your prerogative. All I'm saying is it's rather peculiar.

 

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Hey, I know you! Good post. 
 
My questions are as follows (and my apologies if they are stupid questions or if they have been answered already):
 
1) Can you put music on the internal storage (until microsd storage is available of course) and play them?
 
2) Can you download a spotify/tidal playlist of songs to the internal storage and play them offline (like I can do on my phone, tablet or laptop)?
 
Thanks

waynes world said:

   
1) Can you put music on the internal storage (until microsd storage is available of course) and play them?
 

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Sure! if there is some ...only, it isn't really clear what size the internal storage will be, unless I've missed something!

mython said:

 
Sure!

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Did you perhaps mean... 
 
Or perhaps... 
 
Lol

waynes world said:

   
Did you perhaps mean... 

 
Or perhaps... 

 
Lol

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Yes! LOL

mython said:

 
Sure! if there is some ...only, it isn't really clear what size the internal storage will be, unless I've missed something!

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http://echoboxaudio.com/a/Streaming_Player/
 
Last page says 16GB or 64GB internal storage. Lots of discussion already about wishing for microsd card support.
 
But for some reason, I am not clear on whether or not you can just use it as a DAP for the tunes you have in storage, or if it is only a streaming device.

One thing that does somewhat impress me about the Echobox is the screen - or rather, how they've sourced the screen. Looks like it might be a Samsung OLED screen, perhaps?

mython said:

  One thing that does somewhat impress me about the Echobox is the screen - or rather, how they've sourced the screen. Looks like it might be a Samsung OLED screen, perhaps?

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I'm not sure, but it does look nice.
 
As far as whether or not it can simply be a DAP, it must be able to. It supports android, so I'm gonna assume so. I really should just read through the posts lol.