Audeze EL-8: The EL-8 is a must-hear at CES 2015
May 6, 2016 at 11:05 AM Post #6,046 of 6,486
 
I was just curious to see if (how?) people would prefer a 6kHz stab over a 7kHz antinode.

The "stab" as you put it doesn't bother me while the "antinode" does, but its just me, and my GF.  Another reason might be the genre we listen to, amps and DACs used, probably a combination of many factors.
 
May also be the reason I like Grado's also, but both my SR-225e and RS2e are modded.  The SR-60i is in rose wood cups, also have 3 SennGrados that all sound different but pretty much have the Grado top end, much better bass that's tight and goes lower.
 
May 6, 2016 at 11:30 AM Post #6,047 of 6,486
  The "stab" as you put it doesn't bother me while the "antinode" does, but its just me, and my GF.  Another reason might be the genre we listen to, amps and DACs used, probably a combination of many factors.
 
May also be the reason I like Grado's also, but both my SR-225e and RS2e are modded.  The SR-60i is in rose wood cups, also have 3 SennGrados that all sound different but pretty much have the Grado top end, much better bass that's tight and goes lower.

Grado's measure terribly, bass extension is non existent and not to mention distortion and treble knives. But alot of people seem to like and swear by them, just goes to show how subjective audio is.
 
May 6, 2016 at 11:43 AM Post #6,048 of 6,486
  Grado's measure terribly, bass extension is non existent and not to mention distortion and treble knives. But alot of people seem to like and swear by them, just goes to show how subjective audio is.

Glad I don't listen to measurement then
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, I'm one who never really looked at measurement, I rather trust my ears since its only for my use.  You might want to listen to a Grado that has been modified or even a SennGrado, I use dynamat, sorbothane and felt and the results are quite amazing to me.
 
I like the EL8 but its missing the highs and dynamics that the RS2e, HD-700, T1 and other headphones that I have.  As I noted earlier, it could just be since I have an older version.
 
May 6, 2016 at 1:14 PM Post #6,049 of 6,486
It certainly sounds like the obvious choice is the new EL-8 Open for 2016.  Tighter, more detailed bass is very much desired, but the better treble response would be huge for me.  I do love the PM-3, don't get me wrong, but the descriptions of the EL-8 O treble sound much better.  Personally, I feel like it was ridiculous that I went this long without an open backed headphone for my house.  Considering I listen to not only alternative, pop, rock and some country like others do, but prominently enjoy jazz and classical music, an open backed headphone such as the EL-8 should provide a large difference I'm sure.  
 
If I do buy the EL-8 Open, will it most likely be that newer 2016 version if I buy it from Audeze's store?  I'm assuming last year's version was surely discontinued, yes?  It sounds like a slam-dunk decision from the large numbers of people stating the same thing about the new one, from here and other sites.  
 
May 6, 2016 at 2:30 PM Post #6,050 of 6,486
I was just curious to see if (how?) people would prefer a 6kHz stab over a 7kHz antinode.


I have the genuine Leap Year model of the El-8 closed. According to the card, it was inspected on February 29, 2016!

It may be that this pair incorporates the 2016 improvements, or it may be my aging ears, or both, but I certainly do not hear either an antinode (assuming I know what you mean by that word) nor a spike. Given the various reviews, I was certainly listening for the former so if we tend to hear what we expect, I am pretty sure I would hear it, if it were there.

I have been comparing the El-8 to a pair of Beyerdynamic T90's, a model whose treble is sometimes considered excessive and even shrill. By memory, I was comparing to a NAD HP50, the demise of which led to the purchase of the Audeze. ( I wanted another closed pair, to save my wife annoyance, and the build quality became a major item for the new purchase.) For me, the Audeze clearly comes out on top of the three pairs. I don't ahve the equipment for an immediate switch between phones, so I tend to listen to whole pieces of music or even albums consecutively and then try to assess the "feel" of each pair. I used, for example, the last few variations of Jacques Loussier's jazz version of the Goldberg Variations. Glenn Gould playing the same. The soundtrack of Avatar, some B. B. King cuts, some Gospel from the Blind Boys of Alabama and Bach's Concerto for Two Violins with Perlman and Stern. That last piece may be the most beautiful music ever written, in my ears, but the particular version is so pure in its virtuosity that it may ascend beyond purity to nearly painful shrillness. it is a good test of treble, IMO. My own summary would be that the bass and mids of the El-8 are as reviewed and the treble is rich, compared to the Beyer. If it were some way inadequate, I think this comparison might reveal it.

At any rate, I'm a happy camper so far.
 
May 6, 2016 at 2:41 PM Post #6,051 of 6,486
  If I do buy the EL-8 Open, will it most likely be that newer 2016 version if I buy it from Audeze's store?  I'm assuming last year's version was surely discontinued, yes?  It sounds like a slam-dunk decision from the large numbers of people stating the same thing about the new one, from here and other sites.  

 
You are correct.
 
Every Audeze headphone prior to Nov 2015 has been discontinued, the only exceptions are Audeze Sine and Audeze EL-8 Titanium. The latter two were created with the updates in-mind so no need to change.
(Just to clarify, the Audeze EL-8 Titanium is exactly the same as the 2016 EL-8 CB internally; only aesthetics, and add-on Cipher cable, mark any differences. This is a very important distinction and references to the discontinued 2015 EL-8 CB are defunct).
 
Please refer to this thread for more information.
 
If you do buy an Audeze headphone direct from Audeze, do so and you should get the 2016 model, but I would contact customer services after purchase to make sure it's not new-old stock.
If you are buying from a physical brick-and-mortar store, check the certificate of authenticity; if the headphones are dated after Nov 2015, you have the 2016 version.
If from online retailer ask the retailer itself to check the certificate of authenticity on your behalf; if you are unsure of the retailer ask, politely, for a photo of the certificate. 
For everyone else, if you wish to upgrade older Audeze headphones (after your own careful considerations), contact Audeze customer support. Bear in mind that fees may be incurred, EXCEPT in the case of 2015 LCD-4 100 Ohm; owners can get a free upgrade to the 2016 LCD-4 200 Ohm.
 
@acheron32, you will almost, unequivocally, enjoy the Audeze 2016 EL8 (open), though of course everyone tastes varies.
 
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May 6, 2016 at 2:47 PM Post #6,052 of 6,486
I have the genuine Leap Year model of the El-8 closed. According to the card, it was inspected on February 29, 2016!

It may be that this pair incorporates the 2016 improvements, or it may be my aging ears, or both, but I certainly do not hear either an antinode (assuming I know what you mean by that word) nor a spike. Given the various reviews, I was certainly listening for the former so if we tend to hear what we expect, I am pretty sure I would hear it, if it were there.

I have been comparing the El-8 to a pair of Beyerdynamic T90's, a model whose treble is sometimes considered excessive and even shrill. By memory, I was comparing to a NAD HP50, the demise of which led to the purchase of the Audeze. ( I wanted another closed pair, to save my wife annoyance, and the build quality became a major item for the new purchase.) For me, the Audeze clearly comes out on top of the three pairs. I don't ahve the equipment for an immediate switch between phones, so I tend to listen to whole pieces of music or even albums consecutively and then try to assess the "feel" of each pair. I used, for example, the last few variations of Jacques Loussier's jazz version of the Goldberg Variations. Glenn Gould playing the same. The soundtrack of Avatar, some B. B. King cuts, some Gospel from the Blind Boys of Alabama and Bach's Concerto for Two Violins with Perlman and Stern. That last piece may be the most beautiful music ever written, in my ears, but the particular version is so pure in its virtuosity that it may ascend beyond purity to nearly painful shrillness. it is a good test of treble, IMO. My own summary would be that the bass and mids of the El-8 are as reviewed and the treble is rich, compared to the Beyer. If it were some way inadequate, I think this comparison might reveal it.

At any rate, I'm a happy camper so far.

 
 
Awesome impressions! Thank you for sharing!
 
I too love my Audeze EL-8 Titanium headphones. (These are the same internally as the 2016 EL-8 CB, thus same sonics when not using the Cipher cable, which I don't use anyway).
 
I don't normally post on here but do on Facebook and Twitter, so if you wish to see more pics on there you may do so.
 
Otherwise, I am glad you are enjoying the new 2016 EL-8 CB!
 
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May 7, 2016 at 3:20 AM Post #6,053 of 6,486
It certainly sounds like the obvious choice is the new EL-8 Open for 2016.  Tighter, more detailed bass is very much desired, but the better treble response would be huge for me.  I do love the PM-3, don't get me wrong, but the descriptions of the EL-8 O treble sound much better.  Personally, I feel like it was ridiculous that I went this long without an open backed headphone for my house.  Considering I listen to not only alternative, pop, rock and some country like others do, but prominently enjoy jazz and classical music, an open backed headphone such as the EL-8 should provide a large difference I'm sure.  

If I do buy the EL-8 Open, will it most likely be that newer 2016 version if I buy it from Audeze's store?  I'm assuming last year's version was surely discontinued, yes?  It sounds like a slam-dunk decision from the large numbers of people stating the same thing about the new one, from here and other sites.  

Theyre only selling the new version. It comes in a white box sleeve vs black like the 2015
 
May 7, 2016 at 3:22 AM Post #6,054 of 6,486
Honestly, the open EL-8 is a pretty big jump from the PM-3.  The main reasons are:

* Faster sound, better transient response
* Significantly better soundstage
* Significantly better treble response

But ultimately you would have to be the judge when listening to both :)

I can attest for the speed and attack. Metal on these are vicious, sometimes i wonder if the SONG can keep up. So far these are the Veyrons of speed.
 
May 7, 2016 at 5:28 PM Post #6,055 of 6,486
Fantastic!  Good to hear that they are only selling the new ones.  I'm glad I checked with you people first!  I can read various reviews til i'm blue in the face, but if I can't get to a set in real life to hear it for myself, Head-Fi users are the next best thing, I think 
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.  I will buy them direct from Audeze (of course) today, I think!
 
May 8, 2016 at 4:58 PM Post #6,056 of 6,486
So I'm currently looking to upgrade from my AT R70x's to something planar so I've been looking at the following cans: ZMF Omni, Oppo PM2, Hifiman 400i and 560.
 
Well I heard that the 2016 revision of the EL8 Open's are pretty awesome. Can anyone comment on how the 2016 model compare to the above cans if you've had a chance to listen to them? I know Audeze doesn't have the best rep around here but I like the idea of supporting an American company which is why I was getting really close to pulling the trigger on some Omni's despite the, IMO, crazy cost for what is essentially a mod of a $150 pair of headphones. 
 
May 8, 2016 at 5:46 PM Post #6,057 of 6,486
The oppo, and omni are dark like the El-8. Haven't heard the omni but the oppo wasn't as punchy in the bass. And it was less dynamic overall. Violins were very sweet on it. But to emphasis it is dark and a bit dull sounding.
The 400i again wasn't as punchy in the bass as the el-8 and had etched and artificial upper mids. Haven't heard the he-560 but graphs suggest it sounds like a refined 400i.
 
the 2016 el-8 sounds pretty much the same as a good 2015 el-8 except with slightly more detail. Also you should't look at t50rp mods as a modified $150 headphone, instead you should view it as liberating a well designed driver from its poorly damped housing. There is a new t50rp mod launching soon called the talos that is supposed to have a slightly v shaped signature. Honestly I would just skip the $500-$800 headphone space as none of them are particularly good values.
what don't you like about the r70x. if you just want more detail I would suggest the hd600. If you really want planar bass I would look for an he-560, a used el-8o (you can buy mine!), or a 400i and heavily investigate the mods people have done for it.
 
May 8, 2016 at 6:18 PM Post #6,058 of 6,486

I actually really like the r70'x but it is tough to drive and to be honest, I find that the sound gets ever so slightly muddy when music gets complex. Others have noticed this as well. I also have Upgradeitis so I'm always flipping gear after a few months. I'm really interested in planar tech so I'm looking to get my first pair and I'm just trying to figure out which to get. 
 
May 8, 2016 at 7:02 PM Post #6,059 of 6,486
ok try the 400s. pretty much the same sound signature much lower distortion, but is planar, if you want the planar bass just swap pads. Or get the hd600 and get the same sound sig but again more refined and less distortion than the r70x. the 600 will also scale with better amplifiers. probably not as tight bass as the 400s though
 
May 8, 2016 at 10:08 PM Post #6,060 of 6,486
 
I actually really like the r70'x but it is tough to drive and to be honest, I find that the sound gets ever so slightly muddy when music gets complex. Others have noticed this as well. I also have Upgradeitis so I'm always flipping gear after a few months. I'm really interested in planar tech so I'm looking to get my first pair and I'm just trying to figure out which to get. 

Since you like changing gear every few months I suggest a used EL8o or HE-400i, both are relatively easy to drive.  If I were you I would get the HE-400i and spend the difference from the EL8 on a decent amp, that way you would also be able to use it on your r70x.  For flexibility I suggest a amp from Garage 1217, some of the more flexible amps around and will not break the bank.
 

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