BloodyPenguin
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Not really, the UI is still kind of wonky. Every file still has to be perfectly labeled some how. Though, I am not sure what is the perfect way to do that yet.
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TEAC HA-P90SD (To be released in Dec, 2014)
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Not really, the UI is still kind of wonky. Every file still has to be perfectly labeled some how. Though, I am not sure what is the perfect way to do that yet.
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MilhouseV
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No, the UI has not changed at all, and I doubt that it will - the capabilities of built-in processor are quite limited. After all, this is a DAC/amp first, and a player second.
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Album and Artist names need to be perfect - the alternative is to create playlists for every album and navigate that way.
T.R.A.N.C.E.
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I got a Onkyo HA300 pretty much just to compare to the P90SD, I still need to burn in the HA300 to compare properly.
Promenadeplatz
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Ok, I forgot you need to use their app HR Player to build up playlists so there will be no easy way for doing so ....... what a mess this Teac brick!
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T.R.A.N.C.E.
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Quick comparison of P90SD and HA300.
P90SD-
Perceived balance: Very slightly warm, yet still unforgiving of bright headphones or bad recordings because it is just brutally detailed. Black background and low impedance.
Bass: Very slight mid bass hump, but as tight as it gets, great impact, sub bass loses to mid bass for ear time as a result.
Mids: Slightly warm, smoother, not as in your face, kinda honeyed yet detailed, mids are in line with treble.
Treble: Slightly warm, excellent timbre, cymbals sound spot on.
Sound stage: Small, but extremely dense texture and timbre, and no artificial walls to the sound, most larger sound stage daps sound thin and lacking body and realism in comparison (Cayin N6...).
HA300-
Perceived balance: Very slightly cold, perceived detail is higher as a result of the slight coldness. Brutally detailed +1. Black background and low impedance.
Bass: Essentially perfectly balanced between sub bass and mid bass, very neutral, sub bass is easier heard due to the neutral balance.
Mids: Slightly cold tonality, aka slight upper mid emphasis, mids as a result seem more upfront, increasing perceived sound stage size, mids are in line with treble.
Treble: Slightly cold tonality, increases sound stage size.
Sound stage: Medium, not as dense in textures, but bigger sound stage in return, no artificial walls to the sound, does not suffer from lacking body.
Bottom line: I can't pick one as the winner, they both sound excellent and I honestly like both equally. For each category of bass mids and treble I found that I prefer presentation of some songs on the P90SD and other songs on the HA300. The differences I'm talking about are small differences, I classify both as very neutral daps that are extremely detailed. For example, I might be describing P90SD as slightly warm (which is what I hear) but I'm a veteran of neutral sound, I guarantee any person on the street would find it bright or bass light, but it's just very detailed and neutral with the perceived tonality that I described above, same for HA300, I descibe it as slightly cold, but it's just extremely detailed and neutral with the perceived tonality described above. I'm very happy to have both daps as its nice to have two slightly different takes that retain balance and detaile. Both daps excel in timing and pacing of the music compared to all other dap's I've heard, and also have blacker backgrounds. It's Interesting to hear what a change in two pairs of opamps for LPF and Voltage Follower did to the sound between the daps. Very cool.
Cheers
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P90SD-
Perceived balance: Very slightly warm, yet still unforgiving of bright headphones or bad recordings because it is just brutally detailed. Black background and low impedance.
Bass: Very slight mid bass hump, but as tight as it gets, great impact, sub bass loses to mid bass for ear time as a result.
Mids: Slightly warm, smoother, not as in your face, kinda honeyed yet detailed, mids are in line with treble.
Treble: Slightly warm, excellent timbre, cymbals sound spot on.
Sound stage: Small, but extremely dense texture and timbre, and no artificial walls to the sound, most larger sound stage daps sound thin and lacking body and realism in comparison (Cayin N6...).
HA300-
Perceived balance: Very slightly cold, perceived detail is higher as a result of the slight coldness. Brutally detailed +1. Black background and low impedance.
Bass: Essentially perfectly balanced between sub bass and mid bass, very neutral, sub bass is easier heard due to the neutral balance.
Mids: Slightly cold tonality, aka slight upper mid emphasis, mids as a result seem more upfront, increasing perceived sound stage size, mids are in line with treble.
Treble: Slightly cold tonality, increases sound stage size.
Sound stage: Medium, not as dense in textures, but bigger sound stage in return, no artificial walls to the sound, does not suffer from lacking body.
Bottom line: I can't pick one as the winner, they both sound excellent and I honestly like both equally. For each category of bass mids and treble I found that I prefer presentation of some songs on the P90SD and other songs on the HA300. The differences I'm talking about are small differences, I classify both as very neutral daps that are extremely detailed. For example, I might be describing P90SD as slightly warm (which is what I hear) but I'm a veteran of neutral sound, I guarantee any person on the street would find it bright or bass light, but it's just very detailed and neutral with the perceived tonality that I described above, same for HA300, I descibe it as slightly cold, but it's just extremely detailed and neutral with the perceived tonality described above. I'm very happy to have both daps as its nice to have two slightly different takes that retain balance and detaile. Both daps excel in timing and pacing of the music compared to all other dap's I've heard, and also have blacker backgrounds. It's Interesting to hear what a change in two pairs of opamps for LPF and Voltage Follower did to the sound between the daps. Very cool.
Cheers
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I have Fiio X7 with me on loan, Ive been comparing it to P90 and HA300, and I can safely say that I would not trade either of my P90 or HA300 for an X7. These two Teac and Onkyo brothers have a magic to their timing and pacing that is uncontested. Their neutral balance, timbre and texture is also ahead. We are lucky to own these highly underestimated daps.
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Copland62
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I agree and after that I've been compared the new X7 with my P90 I can absolutely say that we are very lucky to own this dap with his superb sq.....
Promenadeplatz
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Actually, while the new version of its HR Player software plays AIFF, ALAC the P90 still does not. I have heard this to be a killer point vs P90.
god-bluff
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Any idea how the P90 compares with TEAC's own version of the Onkyo the HA-P50 ?
Is the DAC and/ or amp section of the P90 actually the same as the P50 ?
Promenadeplatz
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P90 has 2V line-in max., P50 allows only 1V, so I think there will be different amp sections.
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DAC is very different as well, and while 5102A in HA-P50 is also a BurrBrown (with quite similar signature), it is an audible step down from newer 1795 in P90.
god-bluff
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Thanks to both. I do like the P50 so this interests me if its even better with the built in audio player giving even greater versatility. There is a big gap in the pricing at the moment though !
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