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post #16 of 104

Interesting but I find them to be completely different - to me the difference is like the difference between the DT770 and the T70P. I currently own the T5P and don't really like the Tesla drivers too much for their cold/analytical sound. The T70P produced a lot more detail while the DT770 was a bit grainy but with amazing details. All the Tesla drivers are extremely bright compared to their previous generation. It hurts my ears to listen to the T1 and T70P, although the T5P does fair a lot beter. The T770Pro is bright and sibilant but at least it has bass to compensate for it, the T1 and T70P lack any bass, it's practically all highs for me. Overall the DT880 is my favourite of all the Beyers I have heard (I have yet to hear the Custom One Pro but have heard and/or owned pretty much all the other models). It's not as bright as the T1 or T70P and it's actually to my ears a little bit less sibilant and bright than the DT770, more like an openback T5P with a bit less bass than the DT770.

 

I guess for me the DT880 is the real winner in my book: not as sibilant as the DT770 but with almost as much bass, not as bright as the T1 or T70P and with more bass than either of those. The non-tesla drivers feel more organic to me...

post #17 of 104

Fantastic post, great information and very nice photo's!

 

I went from a DT990/600 to the T1 and think it's well worth it, despite having enjoyed the DT990 tremendously (and still do, in my secondary rig), the T1 indeed takes all the good stuff up a notch or three.

 

I'm not sure if the feel and fit of the DT880 and DT990 is exactly the same, but I think the T1 is more comfortable. My ears just barely touch the inside foam of the DT990, and the headband is wider such that it makes most contact on the top of my head. Despite all that I can wear it hours on end without any discomfort.

post #18 of 104
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Thanks for the kind words everyone.  Like the Senn comparison, I really enjoyed doing this one - and I appreciate the feedback.

 

Some answers to specific comments below:

 

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Originally Posted by Boffy View Post
 

How good is the T1 for female vocals? I am vacillating over T1 and Audio Technica AD2000X.

 

IMO the T1 is outstandingly, gobsmackingly stunning with female vocals.  It's a very vivid presentation that IMO just lifts the upper mids - but doesn't make them peaky - rather it adds a touch of euphoria.  I think this is one of the reasons they climb above the DT880 (and not subtly either).  Norah Jones especially - match made in heaven for me.

 

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Originally Posted by thirdman View Post
 

Very nicely done. Bravo! Thank You.

 

Now, how about a Senn/BD comparo?  when you are up to it of course.

 

I'd classify them as too different to really compare - but I have (in both comparisons) alluded slightly to the difference between DT880 and HD600, and also HD700 and T1.  I don't think I'd tackle an in-depth (especially now as the HD700 are sold) - but IMO the T1 (as it should) tops them all for SQ.  Value would be a tough call - difficult to go past the HD600 and DT880 if you are on a tighter budget.

 

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Originally Posted by MrTechAgent View Post
 

Great comparison ! 

T1s are on my list , I don't think they have the dt880 impulse response but they most definitely are more resolving , dt880 for the price though are just incredible , I think fidelity wise they are superior to the 6XX , have the 650s BTW 

 

Yep DT880 vs HD600 comes down to preference.  DT880 with their brighter and more neutral response can appear to have more fidelity.  But I've always found with the HD600 that all the detail is still there - just not as apparent.  The HD600 are (to my ears) more natural sounding though.  The timbre and overall tone are as lifelike as I've heard.

 

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Originally Posted by CoLdAsSauLt View Post
 

I recently did some binaural listening myself and got a bit deeper into the matter. Binaural recordings are made by molding a head with outer ears. The mics are where the eardrums would be. This way environmental reflections and cues are captured along, as the head, outer ear and ear canal influence this. This makes, to my understanding, that binaural recordings are best fit for in-ear monitors. The sound plays the closest to where it was picked up. Headphones let it pass through the outer ear and ear canal again. So in fact, you hear a sound that has passed TWICE the outer ear and ear canal.

 

The angled drivers of the T1 (something seen in a number of Sennheiser headphones as well, in the first place their flagship HD800), project the sound in a more natural way to the outer ear, making better use of the cues and reverberations you are familiar with: your own body's. This way they manage to create better imaging and soundstaging.

In your binaural test, I would think that the "in this regard inferior" DT-880 would have less of the "over-coloration" created by passing the outer ear two times, so better preserving the originally intended spatial cues.

With normal recordings however, the T1 would have a clear advantage. It may be more clear in complex classical music, where you are surrounded by loads of instruments all wanting their own little space in the soundstage. But this is very much depending on the quality of the recording as well!

 

None of this is tested of course, just trying to think this through :-) So please do correct me if I'm completely lost.

 

I understand what you're saying here - but I personally think that the binaural HRTF benefits have less to do with the outer and inner ear canal shaping, and more to do with the fact that:
[a] They take into account the exact height and distance of each ear from each sound source

[b] They allow for natural crosstalk to occur

[c] They correctly adjust for the (dead) space of the head between each microphone - and I think this is the most important HRTF function.

It's a good talking point though - worth exploring further.  perhaps someone could take it up with Jude.  I think it would make a marvelous topic for a Head-Fi article.  Get someone in from Chesky to explain exactly what is going on, how they set-up and why.

 

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Originally Posted by earfonia View Post
 

Another excellent review by Brooko!  Congrats!

 

I'm curios to know how did you level both headphones with SPL meter.  Do you mind to show some pictures of how you use the SPL meter to measure the headphones loudness?  Any particular reason why you use 3 kHz?

Thanks!

 

I love both my T1 and DT880. Those are truly legendary great headphones!  Mine is the DT880 Pro 600 ohms edition.

 

 

Let me try to predict what you're going to do with your T1 in the future:

You will cut the T1 headphone cable and terminate it with 4 pins XLR for your future balanced headphone amplifier.

For two reasons:

1. T1 cable is too long.

2. It sounds better in balanced. :normal_smile :

 

When you do that, you will remember me :wink_face:

 

On the SPL meter - I actually just use my iPhone and an app.  I sit the iPhone inside the cup, and use the constant tone.  It's only measuring to within 0.5 db - and eventually I'll get an actual meter - but it's far better doing this, than trying to do things "by ear".  Typically I'll do both ear pieces (L and R) for each headphone and commonly initially run 3 tests on each earspeaker.  When I'm confident I've got it right I start the tests, but also recheck about 10 minutes in to make sure the readings are still constant.

 

I used to use a 1 kHz tone - but switched recently to 3 kHz as that is where a lot of the vocals are featured, and I tend to raise or lower volume according to vocal content.

 

I like your predictions on the T1 - and a recable may be sometime in the future - but it would be for aesthetics and ease of use rather than sonics.  Ideally I'd like to go detachable (mini-xlr) but it wouldn't be balanced (personally don't see too many advantages in that).  Something a little lighter - and able to be replaced easily if something ever happened to the cable would be ideal.  For now though - these are pretty good as stock :)

 

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Originally Posted by MKTRV6 View Post
 

Really excellent review and I agree with just about everything you say.

 

I also have the DT-880 Pro and T1.  Have had the 880's now for about 7 months and the T1's just a month.  I'm running them both through various amps depending on my mission (recording/mixing, or just music enjoyment).  I found the DT-880's a bit bright until I put the Mullard 8100's into my LD3.  TOUCHDOWN.  The sound with that combination is effortless and just amazingly pure and stress free.  I see a number of people on the forums call this a basic "mid-fi" setup, but regardless of what you call it this combination sure sounds good!

 

With the T1's, the Mullard tubes don't have enough upper mid's for my taste and I found the stock GE tubes fit my needs better.  I find they are much nicer with solid state amps then the 880's too, even though I've read all over the place that the T1 doesn't pair well with solid state amps.  My experience is different, I find them excellent with tubes or SS amps.   The T1, regardless of amps, is clearly superior to the DT-880 in speed.  This translates to a level of clarity from top to bottom of the frequency range that the DT-880 can't achieve.

 

I love both these headphones and certainly the pricing of the DT-880 makes it an incredible value for the sound quality you get.  The T1, on the other hand, is very expensive for the improvement you get.  Yes, it's clearly better in my opinion, but you're paying a lot for an incremental upgrade. It seems to me the T1 probably will benefit from more refinement in the source and amplification than the DT-880, so I haven't yet got to a level where the T1's can achieve their utmost performance.

 

This morning I am doing some rehearsing for a recording I'm working on, and the DT-880's are my choice due to their lighter weight and excellent relaxed sound.  That's in the living room.  In my little den/studio I have the T1's set up for serious listening and will use them during the mixdown process in addition to various speakers.

 

I'm keeping them both!

 

 

Keep on 'rockin,

 

 

Mark

 

Thanks for the comments Mark.  I'm actually tossing up at the moment whether to bring the DT880 to work permanently and keep them there, or whether to sell.  With the T1 at it's current much lower prices I personally think it's incredible value.  That doesn't take away from the price/performance ratio of the DT880 thought - they are very special cans, and I'd recommend everyone to try them as they climb the ladder.

 

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Originally Posted by benjaminhuypham View Post

Superb review Brooko, great as usual. I got the used T1 in excellent condition for $550 and they are worth every single penny. They are truly an outstanding headphones if you mate them with Bottlehead Crack/Speedball. I found them slightly uncomfortable to wear for long listening section, maybe I'm the only one have that problem.

 

Great price on those T1s.  I'm going to need to build a Crack at some stage - just so I can get the curiousity out of the way.  I do find that my LD MKIV does everything I want though - so it might be some time away yet.  I hear what you are saying on the comfort.  They are definitely heavier - but I think a lot of this is the cable.  An eventual recable might help - I know I will consider it eventually.

 

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Originally Posted by Colgin View Post
 

Great write up (and it reminded me to listen to Pearl Jam "Vs" which I had not done in quite some time).   I am always tempted when new prices on T1s on Amazon slip into the $700-ish range, but then wonder whether even then it is worth the price differential over the DT880.  I have the AKQ Q701 but at the time I bought them a few years ago it was almost a toss-up between the AKG and the DT880.

 

Comes down to preference I guess.  I also very much enjoyed the AKGs - owning the K701, K702, Q701 and K612 previously.  If you get the chance, see if you can audition a pair of T1's.  For me the price differential over the DT880 is definitely worth it - but you can only answer that question yourself.  If you like the AKG and Beyer DT880 sound, I have the feeling you'd love the T1.

 

 

Thanks again for the positive comments guys.

post #19 of 104
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Originally Posted by baronkatz View Post
 

Interesting but I find them to be completely different - to me the difference is like the difference between the DT770 and the T70P. I currently own the T5P and don't really like the Tesla drivers too much for their cold/analytical sound. The T70P produced a lot more detail while the DT770 was a bit grainy but with amazing details. All the Tesla drivers are extremely bright compared to their previous generation. It hurts my ears to listen to the T1 and T70P, although the T5P does fair a lot beter. The T770Pro is bright and sibilant but at least it has bass to compensate for it, the T1 and T70P lack any bass, it's practically all highs for me. Overall the DT880 is my favourite of all the Beyers I have heard (I have yet to hear the Custom One Pro but have heard and/or owned pretty much all the other models). It's not as bright as the T1 or T70P and it's actually to my ears a little bit less sibilant and bright than the DT770, more like an openback T5P with a bit less bass than the DT770.

 

I guess for me the DT880 is the real winner in my book: not as sibilant as the DT770 but with almost as much bass, not as bright as the T1 or T70P and with more bass than either of those. The non-tesla drivers feel more organic to me...

 

And that comes down very much to preference.  You obviously have an increased sensitivity to treble - compared to me.  I still really like the DT880 - but next to the T1 (direct comparison), it is too polite, where the T1 is the more organic, more vivid, more alive.

 

It's the one reason I always state my personal audio history and bias at the beginning of a review or comparison.  So that it gives people a baseline to start from.

 

Funny that you describe the Tesla drivers as cold and analytical - it's the direct opposite of the way I hear them.

 

Anyway - thanks for your input.  Great to hear an alternate POV.  I'll have to try the T70P and T5P at some stage.

post #20 of 104
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Originally Posted by Brooko View Post
 

 

And that comes down very much to preference.  You obviously have an increased sensitivity to treble - compared to me.  I still really like the DT880 - but next to the T1 (direct comparison), it is too polite, where the T1 is the more organic, more vivid, more alive.

 

It's the one reason I always state my personal audio history and bias at the beginning of a review or comparison.  So that it gives people a baseline to start from.

 

Funny that you describe the Tesla drivers as cold and analytical - it's the direct opposite of the way I hear them.

 

Anyway - thanks for your input.  Great to hear an alternate POV.  I'll have to try the T70P and T5P at some stage.

Yes I do have an increased sensitivity to treble and I should have mentioned that but I also like bass and the T1 and T70P (and even the T5P) lack bass. The DT770 has a lot more bass and the DT880 is not a slouch on bass either. I think the more polite sound is easier on my ears, if it's too forward/bright then it's really fatiguing for me and actually hurts my ears.

 

I agree with you that the T1 (and T70P) are way more revealing than the DT880 and T770 respectively but I also feel like the tesla's are less balanced in the way that they are all highs and almost no lows. I think it's a bit like comparing vinyl to cd, which is what I mean by Organic quality - a warmer softer sound, vs. a clear but sharp sound... Although pretty much all the Beyers have a degree of brightness to them (as do most of the Ultrasone's and most German headphones for that matter).

post #21 of 104
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Yes - I was actually expecting a little more bass with the T1 - from reading other reviews - and whilst it is there (graphs show around 2dB), it's definitely not prominent, and maybe lost a little with the emphasis at the other end of the spectrum.  What is there has great texture, speed, and decay though (much like the DT880 really).  What I would call tight bass.

 

I definitely want to try a good planar (LCD2?) at some stage to see if I like their presentation - but it does worry me that the upper mids and lower treble may not have enough for my preferences. Have you had a chance to get to a meet and try the planars etc?

post #22 of 104
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Originally Posted by Brooko View Post
 

Yes - I was actually expecting a little more bass with the T1 - from reading other reviews - and whilst it is there (graphs show around 2dB), it's definitely not prominent, and maybe lost a little with the emphasis at the other end of the spectrum.  What is there has great texture, speed, and decay though (much like the DT880 really).  What I would call tight bass.

 

I definitely want to try a good planar (LCD2?) at some stage to see if I like their presentation - but it does worry me that the upper mids and lower treble may not have enough for my preferences. Have you had a chance to get to a meet and try the planars etc?

Yes I like them a lot. I think the LCD-X is what you're looking for if you want greater clarity and treble, they have a lot more than the LCD-2 or LCD-3 in my opinion. I prefer the LCD-2 or LCD-3 because it's a bit toned down. I like the HD800's more than the T1's as well, those are so comfy and cool looking and enveloping sound but too bright for me as well. The LCD's are maybe a level up although that's really a matter of taste and preference. I think the best headphone is the STAX 009 and the Abyss as well in terms of sound for openbacks. The LCD's fit somewhere between the T1/HD800 and the Stax 009/Abyss in my (and many peoples) minds and ears. However, just because it's higher end and has more detail, doesn't mean you will like the sound signature. My favourite sound signature is maybe the Sennheiser PX100 for $50, but it lacks the clarity, details, etc... of the HD800's for example.

 

EDIT: I should also mention that my opinion as many others change a lot (but my sensitivity to sibilance and brightness stays about the same). A lot depends on what is driving them. You can listen to the T1's, HD800's or a number of other headphones straight from an iPod, from a home-made tube amp, to a Schiit amp, to a huge $10,000 amp to a $100 DAC or a $10,000 DAC, they will sound different on everything. Key is to find the headphones which signature you like the most and then either listen to them straight from your source or find you favourite amp and DAC combo that will work the best for your preferences. You can get a warm amp for too bright a headphones or a more forward/revealing amp for warm ones, etc...


Edited by baronkatz - 7/22/14 at 5:26pm
post #23 of 104
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Thanks for that.  The HD800 are probably my next in line - I guess I've always known I'd eventually own a pair.  Because I'm not treble sensitive, I figure that the combination of HD800 and T1 will probably be end game for me.  I appreciate the comments on the Audeze range as well.  I'm hoping when I get to the US one of these years (I travel annually) I can time it with a meet, and get a chance to catch up with some fellow head-fiers + get a chance to audition a lot of the cans that aren't easily available to try here.

 

As for the SR009 - retirement dream I think :D

post #24 of 104
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Originally Posted by Brooko View Post

 

On the SPL meter - I actually just use my iPhone and an app.  I sit the iPhone inside the cup, and use the constant tone.  It's only measuring to within 0.5 db - and eventually I'll get an actual meter - but it's far better doing this, than trying to do things "by ear".  Typically I'll do both ear pieces (L and R) for each headphone and commonly initially run 3 tests on each earspeaker.  When I'm confident I've got it right I start the tests, but also recheck about 10 minutes in to make sure the readings are still constant.

 

I used to use a 1 kHz tone - but switched recently to 3 kHz as that is where a lot of the vocals are featured, and I tend to raise or lower volume according to vocal content.

 

I like your predictions on the T1 - and a recable may be sometime in the future - but it would be for aesthetics and ease of use rather than sonics.  Ideally I'd like to go detachable (mini-xlr) but it wouldn't be balanced (personally don't see too many advantages in that).  Something a little lighter - and able to be replaced easily if something ever happened to the cable would be ideal.  For now though - these are pretty good as stock :)

 

 

Got it thanks!

 

I heard a few re-cabled T1s, in local headphone festivals, and frankly, I was not impressed. IMHO T1 stock cable is already a very good quality cable. Rather than spending more on re-cabling, I rather spend for decent balanced amp.

I started to hear the advantage of balance amplification from my DIY project, PBA.

From there I learnt a lot, that balanced amplification is worth it.  

Even when I drove JVC FX850 IEM in balance, the improvement surprised me a lot :bigsmile_face:

 

 

 

post #25 of 104

On the comparative value front, the difference is often far greater outside the US. I can't get Amazon to sell me headphones (or indeed anything but books or CDs) and the cheapest price for the T1 here in Oz is AU$1159 (about US$1060). On the other hand I can get the DT880 Pro here for AU$250 on a good day, making the difference at least 4 to 1. And the 880 is just so good (I've owned most of the mid-tier phones) that the T1 would have to be positively mind expanding to be worth the investment, which is not what I'm getting from this excellent review. This seems especially true, if I'm reading correctly, for classical music listening.

 

I've actually been hoping for a comparative review like this; it's clarified things enormously. I've owned LCD-2 and HE-500 and sold them both, the former because it was so damn heavy and the latter because I just didn't care for the sound (plus it was so damn heavy). Also I get nervous about owning expensive headphones I've bought used--I keep thinking what if they start to fall apart, where do I get repairs etc? The T1 is the only one I would have seriously considered, but now, no, I'll just continue to enjoy the 880. So thanks to Brooko for removing me from temptation and solidifying my satisfaction with the 880. I can now go and spend the money I was mentally reserving on something like, hey, music! 

 

So here's to you, Brooko, me old mate across the Tasman! :beerchug:You've made my day and improved my musical satifaction for...oh, a couple of weeks at least, until I decide that the sound's gone off slightly and I need a new amp or something. But that's Head-Fi for you.

post #26 of 104
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Originally Posted by pp312 View Post
 

On the comparative value front, the difference is often far greater outside the US. I can't get Amazon to sell me headphones (or indeed anything but books or CDs) and the cheapest price for the T1 here in Oz is AU$1159 (about US$1060). On the other hand I can get the DT880 Pro here for AU$250 on a good day, making the difference at least 4 to 1. And the 880 is just so good (I've owned most of the mid-tier phones) that the T1 would have to be positively mind expanding to be worth the investment, which is not what I'm getting from this excellent review. This seems especially true, if I'm reading correctly, for classical music listening.

 

I've actually been hoping for a comparative review like this; it's clarified things enormously. I've owned LCD-2 and HE-500 and sold them both, the former because it was so damn heavy and the latter because I just didn't care for the sound (plus it was so damn heavy). Also I get nervous about owning expensive headphones I've bought used--I keep thinking what if they start to fall apart, where do I get repairs etc? The T1 is the only one I would have seriously considered, but now, no, I'll just continue to enjoy the 880. So thanks to Brooko for removing me from temptation and solidifying my satisfaction with the 880. I can now go and spend the money I was mentally reserving on something like, hey, music! 

 

So here's to you, Brooko, me old mate across the Tasman! :beerchug:You've made my day and improved my musical satifaction for...oh, a couple of weeks at least, until I decide that the sound's gone off slightly and I need a new amp or something. But that's Head-Fi for you.

 

Hey Paul - love your posts.  I think the classical very much depends.  For opera and full blown orchestral pieces I'd definitely prefer the T1 - but the gap isn't as huge as for other genres.  For piano concertos, or small ensembles - the DT880 more than hold their own.

 

I picked up the T1s for around AUD 740.00 (included shipping and no other fees), so from my POV a real bargain.  If you get a chance to extensively demo the T1s at some stage I'd like to get your read on them ;).

 

Cheers

 

Paul 

post #27 of 104

Great review. I finally got to hear the t1 for myself and I liked it a lot! 

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Originally Posted by CoLdAsSauLt View Post
 

Nice review. Currently listening to my 250ohm DT-880 pro, and happy to read you didn't notice much difference with the 600ohm version. I keep thinking I missed an opportunity not going for the 600ohm ones in the time, so I'm glad to hear I'm not missing out on that much after all; 250ohm fitted my setup back then better anyway; an improperly driven 600ohm would have rather been a step down instead of up.

 

I recently did some binaural listening myself and got a bit deeper into the matter. Binaural recordings are made by molding a head with outer ears. The mics are where the eardrums would be. This way environmental reflections and cues are captured along, as the head, outer ear and ear canal influence this. This makes, to my understanding, that binaural recordings are best fit for in-ear monitors. The sound plays the closest to where it was picked up. Headphones let it pass through the outer ear and ear canal again. So in fact, you hear a sound that has passed TWICE the outer ear and ear canal.

 

The angled drivers of the T1 (something seen in a number of Sennheiser headphones as well, in the first place their flagship HD800), project the sound in a more natural way to the outer ear, making better use of the cues and reverberations you are familiar with: your own body's. This way they manage to create better imaging and soundstaging.

In your binaural test, I would think that the "in this regard inferior" DT-880 would have less of the "over-coloration" created by passing the outer ear two times, so better preserving the originally intended spatial cues.

With normal recordings however, the T1 would have a clear advantage. It may be more clear in complex classical music, where you are surrounded by loads of instruments all wanting their own little space in the soundstage. But this is very much depending on the quality of the recording as well!

 

None of this is tested of course, just trying to think this through :-) So please do correct me if I'm completely lost.

 Engineering can make cheepy headphones do things they are not supposed to. I have turned my head on 100 dollar pairs of headphones with the right binaural recording. Its easier for me to use regular recordings to get a sense of what the hp can do.


Edited by grizzlybeast - 7/22/14 at 9:29pm
post #28 of 104

I love my customized T1 with Toxic Cables silver widow, but since I have really bad neck problems, I do most of my listening while resting in bed so I have put them on the market.   I may have a buyer for them and feel a bit sad about seeing them go, but I get a lot more use out of IEM over over the ear type headphones as I lie in bed a lot and when I am at my desk the weight doesn't cause make my neck pain worse.  The T1 with Toxic Cable silver widow combo is the best that I've ever had.  It blew the HD650 out of the water so badly I sold it instead of keeping them both.  Soundstage is so wide and any type of music sounds great on my modded T1.  The toxic silver widow made a great headphone even better.  Everyone should get their T1 modded by Moon Audio and add their cable of choice.

post #29 of 104

Use to listen to beyer T1 but I find that it sounds quite muddy compare to audio technica flagships (known for crystal clear sound) , and I think could be due to the stock cable from what i read from  those that change the cable. I do find the cable and headphone plug short of low quality considering its price.

 

Anyway I reckon that Beyer T1 is ripe for new update after been around for almost 5 years.  I am expecting Beyer T2 for 2 tesla :tongue_smile:, and that will surely  top the game.

Akg 812 and Fostex th900 already reached 1.5 tesla and I am amazed at their stunning clear sound. Imagine how 2 tesla headphone will sound like.

post #30 of 104
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Use to listen to beyer T1 but I find that it sounds quite muddy compare to audio technica flagships (known for crystal clear sound) , and I think could be due to the stock cable from what i read from  those that change the cable. I do find the cable and headphone plug short of low quality considering its price.

 

Anyway I reckon that Beyer T1 is ripe for new update after been around for almost 5 years.  I am expecting Beyer T2 for 2 tesla :tongue_smile:, and that will surely  top the game.

Akg 812 and Fostex th900 already reached 1.5 tesla and I am amazed at their stunning clear sound. Imagine how 2 tesla headphone will sound like.

 

Can't say I agree with you (at all) - but I guess that is what opinions are for ;)

 

Curious - what AT flagships have this superior crystal clear sound?

 

Considering the plug is a pretty good Neutrik, and the cable is a really solid 6 core - I guess I don't understand those comments either.  I haven't played around with a lot of cables - but I have switched several when I had my mid-tier AKGs (and even with the DT880).  I didn't notice any difference - so i guess you could call me cable agnostic.  It's the first time I've ever heard the T1 described as muddy as well.  I think we'll have to agree to disagree on what the T1 brings to the table.

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