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post #61 of 105
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Hey Garraty, whats the difference between the HP200 and the HP100? I can't find the HP200 on their site and they are priced the same. The HP200 actually says the HP100 in its description....

The HP100 has a refurb for 129, if its just as good as the HP200, then thats a huge steal I guess. My vote is still with the ZMF but thats pretty cheap if you don't mind a refurb.

The HP100 are closed-back and normally priced at $199.99 new and is the little brother of the HP200, which is a higher model and open-back and is priced normally at around $260-290 new. Both seem to have good reputations here at Head-Fi in reviews and threads. Hope that helped!

post #62 of 105
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The HP100 are closed-back and normally priced at $199.99 new and is the little brother of the HP200, which is a higher model and open-back and is priced normally at around $260-290 new. Both seem to have good reputations here at Head-Fi in reviews and threads. Hope that helped!


Thanks Garraty! They just have the HP200s with the HP100 info copied it looks like because thats what I thought looking at them but they both said "sealed back" so I wasn't sure. Some people do seem to really praise them pretty highly from what I can see. Maybe I will give them a try and see, at least in my opinion, how they compare to the M50s and ZMF etc. I read one guy saying they were better than the HD650s and I was like huh, how have I not tried these.

 

I think the ZMFs are my favorite from what I have but I feel bad writing off something I haven't listened to before. I could have them on Saturday and return them unless they are so great that I want to keep them. I am gonna get in trouble one day for abusing Amazons returns....lol.

 

 Sorry if this is getting a little off-topic but maybe all this info can help his decision making :)

post #63 of 105
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Thanks Garraty! They just have the HP200s with the HP100 info copied it looks like because thats what I thought looking at them but they both said "sealed back" so I wasn't sure. Some people do seem to really praise them pretty highly from what I can see. Maybe I will give them a try and see, at least in my opinion, how they compare to the M50s and ZMF etc. I read one guy saying they were better than the HD650s and I was like huh, how have I not tried these.

 

I think the ZMFs are my favorite from what I have but I feel bad writing off something I haven't listened to before. I could have them on Saturday and return them unless they are so great that I want to keep them. I am gonna get in trouble one day for abusing Amazons returns....lol.

 

 Sorry if this is getting a little off-topic but maybe all this info can help his decision making :)

Yeah, no problem! I understand why you may not have heard or tried these, since SoundMAGIC is a Chinese company mostly known for their IEMs. 

 

Ha, yeah, hopefully this will help the poor guy decide which headphone to get. (although for the record, I think both have good sides to them, the HP200 being cheaper right now on Amazon and the ZMFs having customization, I believe and a warranty)

post #64 of 105
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Thanks Garraty! They just have the HP200s with the HP100 info copied it looks like because thats what I thought looking at them but they both said "sealed back" so I wasn't sure. Some people do seem to really praise them pretty highly from what I can see. Maybe I will give them a try and see, at least in my opinion, how they compare to the M50s and ZMF etc. I read one guy saying they were better than the HD650s and I was like huh, how have I not tried these.

 

I think the ZMFs are my favorite from what I have but I feel bad writing off something I haven't listened to before. I could have them on Saturday and return them unless they are so great that I want to keep them. I am gonna get in trouble one day for abusing Amazons returns....lol.

 

 Sorry if this is getting a little off-topic but maybe all this info can help his decision making :)

It would wonderful if you can get your hands on the SoundMAGIC HP200 and give some impressions!

post #65 of 105
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It would wonderful if you can get your hands on the SoundMAGIC HP200 and give some impressions!

I will give them a try next week and see what I think. I am not an expert reviewer or anything but I will do my best!

post #66 of 105
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I will give them a try next week and see what I think. I am not an expert reviewer or anything but I will do my best!

That's really nice of you, dude! :wink_face:

post #67 of 105
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I will give them a try next week and see what I think. I am not an expert reviewer or anything but I will do my best!

Just wondering but have you gotten them yet? I'm thinking of just getting the SoundMAGIC HP200 because they're cheaper on Amazon.

post #68 of 105
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Just wondering but have you gotten them yet? I'm thinking of just getting the SoundMAGIC HP200 because they're cheaper on Amazon.


Yeah, I have been messing with them for a few days, wanted to try at least get some hours on them in case there is a big difference with burn in like some people mention. I guess I can give some brief impressions and thoughts since I have been considering what you might like best.

 

 They are very comfortable whether I am sitting up or laying down and were one of the easiest headphones for me to get set how I wanted them right away. The numbers notches on the sliders really help with that. I really like the metal grills, seem very durable and look fairly nice, not too huge either. A little bigger than the M50s and more comfortable for me. They are open but the sound leakage seems to be fairly little compared to other open headphones I have tried. Still not something I would want to wear in a fairly quiet area, in terms of disturbing others.

 

      The main thing I don't like is the cord. It comes with a very short detachable cord (like 3 ft) which uses a proprietary locking mechanism so I can't just switch it out with another one easily. There is a 10 ft extension cable included as well though but from what I can tell, they don't really sound their best with the extension. I started out using it and after a couple hours thought I would see if there was any difference without it and to me there was a vast improvement. Getting to the sound, in terms of vocal clarity, they are fantastic. I was hearing detail that I would compare only to the K701. Although I think the K701 feels more like the singer is in the room with you as opposed to inside your skull. The vocals seem very close, almost like a closed headphone, in fact, I kept forgetting they were open. I would even say that the ZMF feels more open than they do.

 

        They are an improvement over the M50s in terms of clarity and the soundstage is going to be wider but not a huge jump in that regard. Much clearer and cleaner sounding without the wall of sound that the M50s provide. To me, they seem like the best example of a neutral headphone that I can think of, with vocals being somewhat forward and being a little bit bright sometimes. At first I thought they had no bass but after ditching the extension cable I felt like I got a much fuller sound and more separation. The bass is there but not in your face and I find myself entirely focused on vocals.

       Another nice thing is that they don't seem to need very much power at all. They get very loud very easily and sound great out of my iphone as well as hooked to the O2 but I also have to turn down the volume in foobar  to stay above 9 o'clock. Here is the weird thing, that may just me but they don't seem very lively to me. I only have about 12-15 hours on them so maybe this will change but at this point I find myself very relaxed on all songs. I just focus on little details, pay attention to the lyrics but never really feel energized by songs that normally get my foot tapping or something like that. I find myself feeling much more excited by the K701s despite them also being fairly analytical. I get very relaxed listening to the HP200s, and with some music that is fine but other heavier songs just don't have the right effect.

 

I haven't made many comparisons to the ZMF because after thinking about it and spending a lot of time with the K701 and HP200, the V.2 probably has more bass than you want and I have never heard the V.1 so I am only guessing at the difference there. Though that is based on what you have described, if you like the M50s with there bass prominence, then the V.2 or V.1 would be fine and maybe with the Soundmagic or K701 you would miss that extra thump since it is a pretty drastic change. The ZMF strikes a nice balance I guess, also compared to the HP200 I think the ZMF has a better soundstage, a more full, engaging (thats the word I have been looking for) sound. Based on what I have read, the V.1 may be perfect but I haven't heard it. I am thinking of trying it, still debating. Another thing, the vocals on the ZMF are very clear but seem more warm and intimate somehow if that makes sense, Soundmagic, more analytical  Not quite as in your head either but nowhere near the K701s openness.

 

Anyway, here is the end result. Compared to the M50s I think the HP200s will be a great improvement in many ways and be much closer to what you describe as ideal, though the 3 ft cord is a big drawback for me and is really a problem since I don't sit right next to my amp anymore. They don't sound awful with the extension, honestly I liked them but not for my main headphone. With the extension I was impressed by the vocal clarity but wondered where everything else was. Personally though, I think K701s beat them. I like the wider soundstage, the more open and airy sound while still having the vocal clarity but I prefer the "in the room" feel as opposed to in my head. At least out of an open headphone. They also have that more engaging lively sound to me for whatever reason.  I feel frustrated that the HP200s are open because otherwise I would see them as a great portable option, and the company seems to want them to be with the short cord and included carrying case and airline adapter. They feel too closed in to be open in my opinion. Though I am considering the HP100s now, wish I had grabbed that refurb.

 

I guess I am saying that you probably won't be disappointed by the Soundmagic (as long as the short cord isn't a dealbreaker) but for what they are good at, I am planning to return them at this point because the K701 already does what they do for me and does it better. Though I hope the HP100 sounds close to the same because I enjoyed the comfort of wearing them walking around the house off my iphone. The K701s are comfortable but ever since I damaged my first pair I am always real careful with them, they just seem delicate to me. I think the ZMF V.1 might be perfect but thats just based on how good the V.2 is, so I am imagining the V.2s characteristics with less bass emphasis, more neutral, sounds like something you would like.

 

Hope my rambling helped somewhat, ask me a question if something doesn't make sense or something I left out. Kind of just wrote everything out all at once so I may have missed things or been confusing....o and heres a pic of everybody :regular_smile :


Just off the phone so not that great :(

 

 

 

 

 

post #69 of 105

Zach updated the V.1 vs V.2 comparison with graphs so this might help you decide. This is the V.1?format=1500w

 

Here is the Soundmagic HP200

http://cdn.head-fi.org/0/0d/500x1000px-LL-0d6915e6_hp200.jpeg

post #70 of 105
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Zach updated the V.1 vs V.2 comparison with graphs so this might help you decide. This is the V.1

 

Here is the Soundmagic HP200

 

 

Thanks for the help!! Have you so happen to try the Sennheiser HD 598 out yet? I was actually debating whether to get those a few weeks back.


Edited by Feilong4 - 5/22/14 at 4:03pm
post #71 of 105

My room mate has the PC360 headset which is supposed to be pretty much the same from what I understand. I almost bought them before since they were 187 for like a year, noticed they finally went up a bit. They are good, well balanced, more clarity than the M50s but I would put them below everything else personally in terms of overall clarity.

 

Might actually be warmer than you want now that I think about it.

 

 

Ok. just went between the PC360 and the Soundmagics real fast. If its between those, the Soundmagic wins. Way better seperations, detail, clarity, lots of sound adjectives. Though the 598 could be a lot different but if you look around, I see people saying they are similar to the 598 or the same as the 558 maybe. Also they clamp way too hard, which is weird because their owner has a much wider head than me and they still haven't stretched out enough to be comfortable for me. Supposedly the pc360 has more comfortable pads than the 598 I think I read so I don't know if they are supposed to help with the clamping or what but still too tight for me.

 

 

Sorry if thats not much help since I haven't tried the exact ones.

post #72 of 105
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Thanks for the help!! Have you so happen to try the Sennheiser HD 598 out yet? I was actually debating whether to get those a few weeks back.

I currently have the HD 598's.

 

Pros: Airy, amazing soundstage especially at this price, vocals, acoustic music

Cons: Lack of sub-bass, not very fast

 

If you want more information, you can check out my review in my description.

post #73 of 105
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Originally Posted by grayfox157 View Post
 

My room mate has the PC360 headset which is supposed to be pretty much the same from what I understand. I almost bought them before since they were 187 for like a year, noticed they finally went up a bit. They are good, well balanced, more clarity than the M50s but I would put them below everything else personally in terms of overall clarity.

 

Might actually be warmer than you want now that I think about it.

 

 

Ok. just went between the PC360 and the Soundmagics real fast. If its between those, the Soundmagic wins. Way better seperations, detail, clarity, lots of sound adjectives. Though the 598 could be a lot different but if you look around, I see people saying they are similar to the 598 or the same as the 558 maybe. Also they clamp way too hard, which is weird because their owner has a much wider head than me and they still haven't stretched out enough to be comfortable for me. Supposedly the pc360 has more comfortable pads than the 598 I think I read so I don't know if they are supposed to help with the clamping or what but still too tight for me.

 

 

Sorry if thats not much help since I haven't tried the exact ones.

 

Thanks! Also, are the bumps on the headband quite uncomfortable on the K701? I heard they're pretty uncomfortable on the Q701 and so uncomfortable that they would have to wrap something around the headband.

post #74 of 105
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Originally Posted by Garraty View Post
 

I currently have the HD 598's.

 

Pros: Airy, amazing soundstage especially at this price, vocals, acoustic music

Cons: Lack of sub-bass, not very fast

 

If you want more information, you can check out my review in my description.

 

Thanks and great review! I'll have to take those into consideration as well.

post #75 of 105
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Thanks! Also, are the bumps on the headband quite uncomfortable on the K701? I heard they're pretty uncomfortable on the Q701 and so uncomfortable that they would have to wrap something around the headband.

To me they aren't too bad. Sometimes I notice the top one after an hour or so but it seems to vary depending on how I have them adjusted I guess.

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