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Jul 28, 2015 at 6:29 PM Post #11,461 of 15,692
phonomat said:
 
It's getting crazier by the minute. Powered up the computer today and it went directly to green. Now, it stays green EVEN WHEN I PLAY CD's on the laptop.
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Still trying to figure this out.
 
On a semi-related note: See the three options in the top half of the picture? Well, I decided to play around with them a little for fun to see what they do. Let me just say I don't recommend this. At least not when you have your 'phones on your head and the Hugo's output volume set to green. I tried the lower Test button first, and it gave two very polite, very gentle consecutive "pings" on each side. Then I checked >DTS Audio< above and hit test and basically ANNIHILATED my ears. Words fail me to describe the atrocious sound of death that attacked my eardrums (okay, one try: It sounded like a ca. 1983 modem making love to a fax machine and both climaxing at the same time). It really physically hurt, so do not EVER try this at home.
Oh well, monkey see, monkey do ... Anyway, this is probably clear to all of you, but I just wanted to issue a warning. This scared the living daylights outta me. At least it doesn't seem to have affected the Hugo nor the headphones in any way. And who knows, maybe I'm less treble-sensitive now ... 
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Take care of your ears man. I hate, when that happens. 
 
Jul 28, 2015 at 8:07 PM Post #11,463 of 15,692
Quote: : "It sounded like a ca. 1983 modem."
Oh, that happened to me too when I started fooling around with the weird audio settings on Roon with my Hugo. It had something to do with the ASIO driver selection. I posted about it a few weeks ago in the Tidal thread (or maybe the Roon thread, I forgot). The Hugo gets temperamental when it doesn't like what the playing software tells its drivers something it doesn't like. 
 
And even normal operation causes the Hugo resolution light to do strange things, like turn green or red like it's Christmas. I find the light doesn't matter, and it sounds good regardless. I think that light just behaves erratically with all this complicated bit rate thing and you shouldn't take it too seriously. It's just for entertainment and cheap thrills.
 
Just trust your ears; that's what I do and I'm happy. Luckily, I do this testing with desktop speakers, not phones. Once you get the settings straight on your playing software to where you like the sound, things stablilze and the alarming noises stop and never return. You just need to play with it a while and test things first with the headphones off your head to prevent shock and awe.
 
The Hugo is very complex, so it's probably unrealistic to have it behave with no hiccups, but I've had it for over a year and I can always get it back to normal as long as I don't abuse it, and I have to reboot it (turn it off and on) time to time, like when my computer sleeps for a while, but it's no real problem. It's kind of like dealing with your cable box and DVR. You will get used to it and come to appreciate this little wonder box.
 
Jul 29, 2015 at 2:58 AM Post #11,465 of 15,692
rgs9200m said:
And even normal operation causes the Hugo resolution light to do strange things, like turn green or red like it's Christmas. I find the light doesn't matter, and it sounds good regardless. I think that light just behaves erratically with all this complicated bit rate thing and you shouldn't take it too seriously. It's just for entertainment and cheap thrills.
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Yeah, I like to have fun with it trying to have the volume wheel color match the sample rate color, but once you go to 192 kHz, that is not exactly recommended either. OCD should have its boundaries.
Seriously though, I would expect even the fun little things (and the sample rate light is not even that little) to work flawlessly in any device like this. I'm not sure it was intended as a mere gimmick, so it should serve its purpose.
 
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I got something like this when I set the sampling rate on the hugo lower than the sample rate in the music. Made an odd noise.
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You can manually set the sampling rate on Hugo? I thought it always audjusted automatically to the input signal. Or do you mean on your transport's settings?
 
Jul 29, 2015 at 8:28 AM Post #11,467 of 15,692
phonomat said:
   
You can manually set the sampling rate on Hugo? I thought it always audjusted automatically to the input signal. Or do you mean on your transport's settings?
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I don't think you can set it on the Hugo, unless maybe you play hi res music on the non HD usb jack, though I've never tried doing that.
 
Jul 29, 2015 at 9:15 AM Post #11,468 of 15,692
phonomat said:
   
Yeah, I like to have fun with it trying to have the volume wheel color match the sample rate color, but once you go to 192 kHz, that is not exactly recommended either. OCD should have its boundaries.
Seriously though, I would expect even the fun little things (and the sample rate light is not even that little) to work flawlessly in any device like this. I'm not sure it was intended as a mere gimmick, so it should serve its purpose.
 
 
You can manually set the sampling rate on Hugo? I thought it always audjusted automatically to the input signal. Or do you mean on your transport's settings?
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it is because you are using direct sound which uses the Windows mixer and settings. This fixes the sample rate to whatever is set in the sound menu so even if you have a 176KHz album it will play at 44KHz, 48KHz or whatever you have set Windows to. Importantly using direct sound means you do not get a bit perfect native output. In order to play the music at the correct sample rate and unmolested then you need to use J River, Foobar etc that can work with kernel streaming, ASIO or WASAPI output modes. These all bypass the internal sound settings in Windows so you get the correct output.

the settings that you are changing will not increase the sample rate that Hugo will support. These settings make no difference and yes if you decide to set your output to AC3 DTS/Dolby surround sound then you will get some noise coming through. Hugo cannot decode DTS/Dolby so the data will be corrupted as you are trying to play a 5 channel signal through a stereo device...if you really must play around with the sample rate output for Windows then on the picture in the forum post look at the advanced tab at the top of the digital output sound settings. The advanced tab gives you access to the default output sample rate. You can change this to whatever you want and all audio played through Windows will be at this sample rate unless you use J River/ Foobar etc which will override this and play at the correct sample rate.
 
hope that helps in some way...
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Jul 29, 2015 at 5:27 PM Post #11,469 of 15,692
ok-guy said:
   
it is because you are using direct sound which uses the Windows mixer and settings. This fixes the sample rate to whatever is set in the sound menu so even if you have a 176KHz album it will play at 44KHz, 48KHz or whatever you have set Windows to. Importantly using direct sound means you do not get a bit perfect native output. In order to play the music at the correct sample rate and unmolested then you need to use J River, Foobar etc that can work with kernel streaming, ASIO or WASAPI output modes. These all bypass the internal sound settings in Windows so you get the correct output.

the settings that you are changing will not increase the sample rate that Hugo will support. These settings make no difference and yes if you decide to set your output to AC3 DTS/Dolby surround sound then you will get some noise coming through. Hugo cannot decode DTS/Dolby so the data will be corrupted as you are trying to play a 5 channel signal through a stereo device...if you really must play around with the sample rate output for Windows then on the picture in the forum post look at the advanced tab at the top of the digital output sound settings. The advanced tab gives you access to the default output sample rate. You can change this to whatever you want and all audio played through Windows will be at this sample rate unless you use J River/ Foobar etc which will override this and play at the correct sample rate.
 
hope that helps in some way...
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sorry I'm kind of dumb, do you know how to set FOOBAR2000 to work with all media on the laptop? (not just FLAC or High bit rate files)
 
Jul 30, 2015 at 6:23 AM Post #11,470 of 15,692
law87 said:
  sorry I'm kind of dumb, do you know how to set FOOBAR2000 to work with all media on the laptop? (not just FLAC or High bit rate files)
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I was trying to be technically proficient with my last post as it was actually scripted by my secret Chord contact 'Smiley'... to be honest I once downloaded Foobar but I needed to get plug-ins (WASAPI?) so it got all confusing & I gave up after about 5mins (I have a low technology threshold). I know you have to get the appropriate plug-ins to make things work(?) and then set the output settings to the device your using (I'm assuming)... hopefully someone who uses Foobar will chip-in some further advice, hth.
 
I only use my PC & ZX2/Dock to feed the Hugo, I mostly use the ZX2/Dock as the feed is better than via the pc (wmp)... I am due a new pc at some point soon & I'll probably download J-River & use that.
 
Jul 30, 2015 at 10:09 AM Post #11,471 of 15,692
ok-guy said:
I was trying to be technically proficient with my last post as it was actually scripted by my secret Chord contact 'Smiley'... to be honest I once downloaded Foobar but I needed to get plug-ins (WASAPI?) so it got all confusing & I gave up after about 5mins (I have a low technology threshold). I know you have to get the appropriate plug-ins to make things work(?) and then set the output settings to the device your using (I'm assuming)... hopefully someone who uses Foobar will chip-in some further advice, hth.

I only use my PC & ZX2/Dock to feed the Hugo, I mostly use the ZX2/Dock as the feed is better than via the pc (wmp)... I am due a new pc at some point soon & I'll probably download J-River & use that.
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Does Jriver allow for that option? I literally try for 2 hours yesterday.

What settings do you recommend for regular usage on PC (youtube, mp3, spotify, gaming)
 
Jul 30, 2015 at 11:24 AM Post #11,472 of 15,692
law87 said:
Does Jriver allow for that option? I literally try for 2 hours yesterday.

What settings do you recommend for regular usage on PC (youtube, mp3, spotify, gaming)
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when I spoke to Matt he iterated that J-River was the better option as you didn't have to worry about different plug-ins etc., also once you had set-up J-River after downloading things are pretty seamless in operation... you can download J-River on a 30day trial period which I would recommend, link: http://www.jriver.com/download.html you will be able to play around with it & see if it suits your needs.
 
I'm into basics as befits my technical acumen, you can be assured that my Windows setting is 44.1 (redbook)... if I use Spotify or YouTube services I tend to plug-in my Plantronics DSP-USB headphones (£30 h/p's that put a lot of mid-tier's to shame), the quality is mp3 or lower and they do an admiral job if you get my drift, I only use those services if there's a album I'm interested in buying (I have a cd upload fetish, finding album art is sooo fulfilling), hth.
 
Jul 30, 2015 at 11:26 AM Post #11,473 of 15,692
Did 'Smiley' see any specific driver updates for Windows 10 in a crystal ball yet?
 
 
http://www.foobar2000.org/components/view/foo_out_asio
 
http://sourceforge.net/projects/sacddecoder/files/foo_dsd_asio/
 
Regarding foobar2000, these settings here should be OK
 
http://www.head-fi.org/t/749582/chord-electronics-2qute-dac-announced/390#post_11621908
 

 

 

 
Jul 30, 2015 at 12:17 PM Post #11,475 of 15,692
law87 said:
Does Jriver allow for that option? I literally try for 2 hours yesterday.

What settings do you recommend for regular usage on PC (youtube, mp3, spotify, gaming)
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ok-guy said:
   
when I spoke to Matt he iterated that J-River was the better option as you didn't have to worry about different plug-ins etc., also once you had set-up J-River after downloading things are pretty seamless in operation... you can download J-River on a 30day trial period which I would recommend, link: http://www.jriver.com/download.html you will be able to play around with it & see if it suits your needs.
 
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I have no technical knowledge of J-River and am a novice user, but even with a 2 year old version, I have been able to play virtually any format of music without concern for drivers, plug ins, etc.  Usually use a portable set up, so all I can say is that J-River is fairly intuitive and easy to use.
 
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