Reviews + impressions thread: Final Audio Design Pandora Hope VI (interesting dynamic + BA full size headphones)
May 2, 2015 at 12:55 PM Post #991 of 2,057
Just done some measurements.
 
Approx. pad depth (pads flat on a desk with a ruler placed over the top):
 
-PH6 'low density'  pad approx. 1.6cm
 
-PH4 pad approx. 2cm
 

Another thing I noticed when looking at the pads I have here is that not only are the PH6 pads flatter they are also slightly wider. Viewed from the back the PH6 pads seems to 'overhang' its retaining ring a bit more than the PH4. Diameter is approx. 10cm  for the PH6 pad and 9.5cm for the PH4.
 
May 2, 2015 at 10:14 PM Post #992 of 2,057
Thanks to much yorktronic and Jellofund!  That's very helpful.  I will have to digest it a bit.  Re dac/amp, I was thinking about ifi idsd micro, but have heard that its amp section is not a strong point.  But the form factor and capability (different gains) look very attractive.
 
Re pads, I've heard people saying Shure 1540 pads are very comfortable.  Has anyone tried them out with the Hope 6?  I'm not sure if I should risk ordering the Hope 6 original pads at C$62 / pair while people keep complaining about comfort issue.  :frowning2:
 
May 3, 2015 at 6:07 AM Post #993 of 2,057
  Thanks to much yorktronic and Jellofund!  That's very helpful.  I will have to digest it a bit.  Re dac/amp, I was thinking about ifi idsd micro, but have heard that its amp section is not a strong point.  But the form factor and capability (different gains) look very attractive.
 
Re pads, I've heard people saying Shure 1540 pads are very comfortable.  Has anyone tried them out with the Hope 6?  I'm not sure if I should risk ordering the Hope 6 original pads at C$62 / pair while people keep complaining about comfort issue.  :frowning2:

 
You're welcome!
 
Haven't tried the IDSD myself but know a couple of guys who own it and they seem pretty pleased with it. Neither have the Pandora though. They do consider the DAC to be the strongest point but from what I can gather the amp section isn't bad at all.
 
No experience with the 1540 alcantara pads but did notice that the member in this classified had some fitted to his VI, so might be worth PMing him for his thoughts: http://www.head-fi.org/t/758859/final-audio-design-pandora-hope-vi
 
May 4, 2015 at 7:38 AM Post #994 of 2,057
  Thanks to much yorktronic and Jellofund!  That's very helpful.  I will have to digest it a bit.  Re dac/amp, I was thinking about ifi idsd micro, but have heard that its amp section is not a strong point.  But the form factor and capability (different gains) look very attractive.
 
Re pads, I've heard people saying Shure 1540 pads are very comfortable.  Has anyone tried them out with the Hope 6?  I'm not sure if I should risk ordering the Hope 6 original pads at C$62 / pair while people keep complaining about comfort issue.  :frowning2:

Hey - I am uising the Shure 840 pads which are pretty comfortable and do not Change the Sound sig a lot.
 
Don't know about the 1540 though.
 
May 5, 2015 at 4:21 PM Post #995 of 2,057
Thanks AlterSack!  Appreciate your post.
 
Any thought about these pads?
 
http://hifiman.com/Products/?pid=198 
http://www.amazon.ca/Brainwavz-Velor-Memory-Replacements-Earpads/dp/B00MFDX4YO
 
Some commented that velour pads cause a big change in sound sig, but the Hifiman focus pads have the inside made of pleather which may not change the sound sig much?
 
Thanks guys!
 
May 6, 2015 at 10:58 AM Post #996 of 2,057
  Thanks AlterSack!  Appreciate your post.
 
Any thought about these pads?
 
http://hifiman.com/Products/?pid=198 
http://www.amazon.ca/Brainwavz-Velor-Memory-Replacements-Earpads/dp/B00MFDX4YO
 
Some commented that velour pads cause a big change in sound sig, but the Hifiman focus pads have the inside made of pleather which may not change the sound sig much?
 
Thanks guys!

 
 
I've heard people musing about the Hifiman Focus pads* but not sure if anyone has actually taken the plunge.
 
Those Brainwavz velours though I would avoid. I have a pair here and they really didn't work well at all with the Pandora. Can't remember exactly how they sounded but I know they changed the sig quite a lot. There is also a pleather version but the memory foam Brainwavz use has a different 'feel' to it than the foam used on the original HM5 pleather pads, so no idea what changes, if any, that might introduce.
 
Now that you mention velours I do recall Lorspeaker saying a while back that he uses (or used) some Audio Technica pancake velours...possibly from the A1000X or A2000X I think. Either way they were expensive if I recall and being pancake style they might have similar comfort issues to the flat PH6 pads.
 
Edit: * my old Hifiman HE-560 were fitted with Focus pads and they have a mounting disc on the back. Whilst the pads should be the right size for the Pandora I suspect they wouldn't fit without modification e.g. removal or trimming of the disc. 
 
May 6, 2015 at 11:09 AM Post #997 of 2,057
Found the post: http://www.head-fi.org/t/696821/reviews-impressions-thread-final-audio-design-pandora-hope-vi-interesting-dynamic-ba-full-size-headphones/885#post_11359818
 
 
  what i have is this..original ad2000 velorpads from japan..
Official audio-technica replacement ear cushions/pads HP-AD2000 for ATH-AD2000
 
 
This is made in china..
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Velour-Velvet-Ear-Pads-Cushion-For-ATH-AD1000X-AD2000X-AD900X-AD700X-Headphones-/261361916880?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&var=&hash=item3cda625bd0
 
 
And this might work too..the hole in the middle looks smaller..?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Replacement-ear-pad-Floss-For-ATH-AD700-AD900-Headphone-earpad-/261216906986?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cd1bdaeea
 

 
May 6, 2015 at 11:39 AM Post #998 of 2,057
i stuffed some cotton gauze under the pancakepads to angle the drivers..
and also to stop my ears touching the drivers. :p
 
May 6, 2015 at 4:10 PM Post #999 of 2,057
Edit - after looking at jello's measurements, I've determined that my PH6 headphones came with PH4 pads. 
 
I wanted to post an update on my comparison of the original Brainwavz HM5 earpad versus the PH4 pads that came on my Pandoras. I measured both the VI's pads and the Brainwavz pads:
 
PH4 - 22mm deep from grill of driver to end of pad, low resilience w/ pleather
Brainwavz HM5 "original" pad - 30mm deep, higher resilience w/ pleather
 
So, the HM5 pads are 36% deeper than the FAD pads. Additionally, I have the following thoughts:
 
  1. Bass response is better from the FAD pad, it's punchier and fuller. The HM5 pad still has great bass response, in fact I'd say it's almost more analytical in that regard than the stock pad - sort of like hearing and knowing the bass is there, versus it being inside your head. I think this is a preference thing - I do find that some music that isn't mastered very well can be more loosey-goosey with the bass elements and it can be overwhelming on the stock pad
  2. I experienced resonance issues with the HM5 pad - sort of like listening to a sound system (i.e. speakers) in a room that is not acoustically treated. Lots of hard surfaces, bouncy sound, etc. Basically, it seems like, in the little room that is in between your head and the driver, sound is bouncing around. Maybe it's because the HM5 pads are more spacious. On some tracks it actually can sound great, particularly with acoustic guitar - I tested this on Johnny Cash's American IV: The Man Comes Around and in some cases I prefer the HM5 pad to the stock pad. That said, if you're listening to something with a lot of mid-high frequency synth or electric guitar, it can sound strained and... well just not right to my ears. Verdict: I prefer the stock pad.
  3. The HM5 is tremendously more comfortable than the stock pad. That said, I came from using Grado SR-125i's for 6 years and various not so comfortable gaming headsets, so to me the Pandora Hope VI's are pretty comfortable, and I prefer the sound from the stock pad enough to deal with any comfort difference between it and the HM5 pad.
 
Sound wise, I found that switching from the headphone amps built in to my Maverick Audio TubeMagic D1 Plus DAC and my Meridian Explorer DAC to a dedicated JDS Labs Objective2 headphone amp improved sound quality a lot (thanks to jello for making the recommendation in an earlier post). As I'm sure you know if you're reading this, the Pandora Hope VI has an incredibly low input impedance of 8 ohms. This is lower than any headphone I've ever used, and according to a lot of people out there can result in frequency imbalance and distortion when paired with an amp that doesn't have a low enough output impedance.
 
The output impedance of the MavAudio DAC ranges, but the lowest rating is listed at 16 ohms. The output impedance of the Meridian Explorer is 5 ohms, assuming you have the revised one (the original had an output impedance of 22 ohms or something). I know output impedance and input impedance both change with load but for the sake of simplicity I'm not getting in to that. This yeilds a 8:16 (1:2) for the MavAudio and a 8:5 for the Meridian damping factor, which according to a lot of folks is not ideal. The Objective2 has an output impedance of 0.54 ohms, yielding roughly a 16:1 damping factor, which is far more ideal.
 
The results from making this change are immediately apparent: bass is more controlled, less overwhelming, and more detailed. The sound is much more balanced than before. The main reason I bring this up is that if you are considering changing earpads to reduce bass or otherwise change the sound, I would consider your amplification source and do the math on what the damping factor is. I don't know if there's a magic number, but I know switching to the O2 made a difference for me.
 
I hope this helps some people!
 
May 6, 2015 at 9:10 PM Post #1,000 of 2,057
Or buy an impedance resistor adapter, there's some on ebay. I'm shipping one right now, though admittedly I don't have the PHVI yet, but that may solve the impedance mismatching problem.
 
May 14, 2015 at 3:08 AM Post #1,003 of 2,057
http://final-audio-design.com/en/archives/2433
 
It's official: The Pandora Hope VIII and X is announced. Except that they are now called SONOROUS X and VIII (fancy name I would say). And no more BA, Dynamic only. Really curious to how they would perform. Heavy weight and price tag to be expected (630g is pretty outrageous, though probably not on Muramasa level of 850g yet).
 
Sonorous VIII
 



 
 
Sonorous X
 



 
May 14, 2015 at 3:17 AM Post #1,005 of 2,057
Where is the information on price?

Really interesting that they've left behind the mixed driver approach.
 

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