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Me too -- I much prefer the AD over the HD800.  To me, the HD800, while incredible with classical and some jazz, was just not satisfying with most other genres, including most jazz, rock, dance, reggae, world etc. etc.  The HD800, IMO, had too much treble energy, not enough bass energy, and had a certain "thinness" overall.  When I had switched cables on the HD800 to Moon Audio Blue Dragon, which produced a good improvement, it was still not enough to make me love the HD800.

 

The AD, by contrast, is just so satisfying and sounds so "right" on all genres.  While an open headphone might produce some additional air and separation on classical music, the AD is still fine with classical and great on everything else too.

 

BTW, I also now use a Moon Audio Blue Dragon cable with the Alpha Dog and it has also produced a real nice improvement -- more of everything, detail, transparency, bass, dynamics -- it was like upgrading a major component like an amp.  So, if you think the AD is great with the stock cable (which is still a very good and well made cable, using well-regarded Canare wire), wait 'till you try it with something like the Moon cable.  

 

And there must be demand as the AD becomes more ubiquitous since Moon Audio stocks the Alpha Dog (and Mad Dog) connectors.

post #7472 of 8576
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Originally Posted by Skyyyeman View Post
 

Me too -- I much prefer the AD over the HD800.  To me, the HD800, while incredible with classical and some jazz, was just not satisfying with most other genres, including most jazz, rock, dance, reggae, world etc. etc.  The HD800, IMO, had too much treble energy, not enough bass energy, and had a certain "thinness" overall.  When I had switched cables on the HD800 to Moon Audio Blue Dragon, which produced a good improvement, it was still not enough to make me love the HD800.

 

The AD, by contrast, is just so satisfying and sounds so "right" on all genres.  While an open headphone might produce some additional air and separation on classical music, the AD is still fine with classical and great on everything else too.

 

BTW, I also now use a Moon Audio Blue Dragon cable with the Alpha Dog and it has also produced a real nice improvement -- more of everything, detail, transparency, bass, dynamics -- it was like upgrading a major component like an amp.  So, if you think the AD is great with the stock cable (which is still a very good and well made cable, using well-regarded Canare wire), wait 'till you try it with something like the Moon cable.  

 

And there must be demand as the AD becomes more ubiquitous since Moon Audio stocks the Alpha Dog (and Mad Dog) connectors.

I feel like cables have a lot of diminishing returns. Spending several hundreds of dollars that can be spent elsewhere and I believe cables are good for lightweight such as travelling and aesthetics. Does it actually make a sound improvement over the original stock canare?

 

Here is the quad star canare cable which I THINK is used for the stock cable and it is neutral for frequencies the human ear can hear. What am I missing?

post #7473 of 8576

Sorry, no intention to start a general discussion about cables on the Alpha Dog thread.  I was just giving my experience with the Alpha Dog specifically, which is that the cable upgrade I mentioned, in terms of sound quality improvement, was not subtle IMO and could be considered equivalent to a component upgrade like an amp. 

 

If anyone wants to get into a general discussion about cables, there is the Sound Science thread or other threads on this site.


Edited by Skyyyeman - 6/27/14 at 2:40pm
post #7474 of 8576
I just made discovery that Behringer FBQ3102 is also a great headphone amp for Alpha Dogs. What you get from it is plenty of raw power, and in addition you can equalize the sound the way that fits your likes. You can feed this thing with single ended or balanced input, and you get an extra bonus, the output channel for subwoofer (so that you could not only hear the sound, but also feel it). Given that this whole thing costs around 100EUR it is a lot of value. The only drawback is that it has either 2 x 3pin XLR, or 2 x big TS jacks, and I didn't see such cable in Dan's repo biggrin.gif I wonder if guys in Behringer have any idea what they sell cool.gif
Edited by koolas - 6/27/14 at 3:31pm
post #7475 of 8576
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Originally Posted by Skyyyeman View Post
 

Me too -- I much prefer the AD over the HD800.  To me, the HD800, while incredible with classical and some jazz, was just not satisfying with most other genres, including most jazz, rock, dance, reggae, world etc. etc.  The HD800, IMO, had too much treble energy, not enough bass energy, and had a certain "thinness" overall.  When I had switched cables on the HD800 to Moon Audio Blue Dragon, which produced a good improvement, it was still not enough to make me love the HD800.

 

The AD, by contrast, is just so satisfying and sounds so "right" on all genres.  While an open headphone might produce some additional air and separation on classical music, the AD is still fine with classical and great on everything else too.

 

BTW, I also now use a Moon Audio Blue Dragon cable with the Alpha Dog and it has also produced a real nice improvement -- more of everything, detail, transparency, bass, dynamics -- it was like upgrading a major component like an amp.  So, if you think the AD is great with the stock cable (which is still a very good and well made cable, using well-regarded Canare wire), wait 'till you try it with something like the Moon cable.  

 

And there must be demand as the AD becomes more ubiquitous since Moon Audio stocks the Alpha Dog (and Mad Dog) connectors.

 

Your HD800 impressions mirror mine exactly... a certain "thinness" sums it up perfectly. I mostly enjoy classic rock, electronic blues, and world music, and I don't feel that the HD800 shines with those genres.

 

I was already thinking ahead to another DIY Blue Dragon headphones cable build-up, but for the Alpha Dogs. At $60 for five feet of the Blue Dragon bulk wire it makes for a high quality cable at a good price. Of course, you need to figure in the cost of connectors, but if you build the cable yourself instead of buying a ready-made one, it's very cost effective. I've built Blue Dragon cables for Denon D2000 and Audeze LCD-2 Rev2 headphones previously and really liked the results. 

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Your HD800 impressions mirror mine exactly... a certain "thinness" sums it up perfectly. I mostly enjoy classic rock, electronic blues, and world music, and I don't feel that the HD800 shines with those genres.

 

I was already thinking ahead to another DIY Blue Dragon headphones cable build-up, but for the Alpha Dogs. At $60 for five feet of the Blue Dragon bulk wire it makes for a high quality cable at a good price. Of course, you need to figure in the cost of connectors, but if you build the cable yourself instead of buying a ready-made one, it's very cost effective. I've built Blue Dragon cables for Denon D2000 and Audeze LCD-2 Rev2 headphones previously and really liked the results. 

Are there any tutorials on making headphone cables? I have absolutely no knowledge but for only $60 for blue dragon is worth a shot even for the experiment and subtle sound improvement.

post #7477 of 8576
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Are there any tutorials on making headphone cables? I have absolutely no knowledge but for only $60 for blue dragon is worth a shot even for the experiment and subtle sound improvement.

Come visit us in this thread:
http://www.head-fi.org/t/676402/diy-cable-questions-and-comments-thread

Lots of good information and members willing to help.
post #7478 of 8576
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Originally Posted by Skyyyeman View Post
 

Sorry, no intention to start a general discussion about cables on the Alpha Dog thread.  I was just giving my experience with the Alpha Dog specifically, which is that the cable upgrade I mentioned, in terms of sound quality improvement, was not subtle IMO and could be considered equivalent to a component upgrade like an amp. 

 

If anyone wants to get into a general discussion about cables, there is the Sound Science thread or other threads on this site.

 

If you are going to make affirmative claims about audible improvements brought about by headphone cables, I think you have to be prepared for the inevitable response by those who disagree with your impressions and implicit recommendation that others should invest as you have.  To avoid the possibility of any dissent, this is the place to go and share cable impressions: http://www.head-fi.org/f/21/cables-power-tweaks-speakers-accessories-dbt-free-forum  

 

To the extent you do post it here, it is totally fair game for others to indicate whether they have or have not heard the same, or to comment that there still are no demonstrated measurable differences between well made cables (a fact many reputable cable sellers admit up front, in writing).  That may or may not be due to limitations in conventional audio measurement techniques, but it is still a point worth considering.  I tend to think that I have perceived differences between cables, but I'm still up in the air regarding whether or not its just in my head.  Confirmation bias is a powerful force.  By contrast, different phones, amps, dacs and even tubes or opamps bring about measurable and often easily audible differences.  (Frankly, even differing capacitors have measurable differences in criteria like dissipation factor, but the same cannot be said for cables.)  This is why many of us encourage younger members to spend their hard earned resources on less arcane categories of gear first before digging deeper into the realm of things like cables, isolation stands and, if you're really out there: http://www.lessloss.com/blackbody-p-200.html 

 

Edit - to steer things back on topic, let me say that I am still really loving my AD's, with all varieties of music.  Between these and my hd800's, it is hard to listen to anything else in my collection. 


Edited by skeptic - 6/27/14 at 11:49pm
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If you are going to make affirmative claims about audible improvements brought about by headphone cables, I think you have to be prepared for the inevitable response by those who disagree with your impressions and implicit recommendation that others should invest as you have.  To avoid the possibility of any dissent, this is the place to go and share cable impressions: http://www.head-fi.org/f/21/cables-power-tweaks-speakers-accessories-dbt-free-forum  

 

To the extent you do post it here, it is totally fair game for others to indicate whether they have or have not heard the same, or to comment that there still are no demonstrated measurable differences between well made cables (a fact many reputable cable sellers admit up front, in writing).  That may or may not be due to limitations in conventional audio measurement techniques, but it is still a point worth considering.  I tend to think that I have perceived differences between cables, but I'm still up in the air regarding whether or not its just in my head.  Confirmation bias is a powerful force.  By contrast, different phones, amps, dacs and even tubes or opamps bring about measurable and often easily audible differences.  (Frankly, even differing capacitors have measurable differences in criteria like dissipation factor, but the same cannot be said for cables.)  This is why many of us encourage younger members to spend their hard earned resources on less arcane categories of gear first before digging deeper into the realm of things like cables, isolation stands and, if you're really out there: http://www.lessloss.com/blackbody-p-200.html 

 

Edit - to steer things back on topic, let me say that I am still really loving my AD's, with all varieties of music.  Between these and my hd800's, it is hard to listen to anything else in my collection. 

Well said!

post #7480 of 8576

I swapped the cables on my Alpha Dogs and like the lighter weight as the (excellent) OEM cable is quite heavy.

 

My biggest complaint about the AD is the amount of cable noise microphonics they transmit.  I suspect it is an electrical artifact of the original Fostex design.

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I swapped the cables on my Alpha Dogs and like the lighter weight as the (excellent) OEM cable is quite heavy.

 

My biggest complaint about the AD is the amount of cable noise microphonics they transmit.  I suspect it is an electrical artifact of the original Fostex design.

Where did you get your new cable from?

I have been looking for a new calbe that doesn't break the budget for a while but cant seem to find one.

post #7482 of 8576

Mine is from Q-Audio.

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I have a high end cable coming in today from USPS that I will share impressions of later :]



Edit: here are pictures. I will get to the sound after they burn in and I listen for awhile





After a quick listen my initial impressions are wow. It's like a window was removed and the soundstage really opened up quite a bit. Bass is also tighter than the stock cable. The changes are definitely noticeable I've been listening to the "darker" stock cable for a few months now. I can't wait to take this setup to the HD800 table and look at their faces in utter disbelief at the next local Head-fi meet biggrin.gif cables make a difference but should always be the last part of the chain of upgrades

BTW that is a Norne Audio Vanquish cable without sleeving :]
Edited by wahsmoh - 6/28/14 at 7:46pm
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Well said!

Not exactly. I'll reply to Skeptic's post after the weekend when I have time (though it might be Sun.). 

post #7485 of 8576
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Not exactly. I'll reply to Skeptic's post after the weekend when I have time (though it might be Sun.). 

Agreed, I am new to HeadFi, but have been an Audiophile for years. I find these flat earth, absolutists to be rather boorish. I can only assume they haven't had the opportunity to listen to a variety of cables. They do sound very different, maybe not always better (this is area in which I am sure we do agree, >expense does not always = better). GOOD MEASUREMENTS DO NOT EQUAL GOOD SOUND! Not all subjective listening parameters, soundstage, musicality, pace, etcetera, etcetera can be measured. There are many horrible sounding transducers/equipment that have stellar objective measures. Cheers....
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