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post #4216 of 4226
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Originally Posted by Pirakaphile View Post
 

Everyone is relieving me of my paranoia, thanks a bunch. I just decided to do a little googling around and couldn't find anything at all, which is probably simply due to my inexperience. I'll likely do a bunch of studying up on all kinds of tubes, as well as a read-through of this thread and some intense website browsing for all manner of tube related fetishes. :p Guess I'm in for the long haul if I'm gonna get into tubes.

Also, do tubes really have a fairly large amount of impact on the soundstage, resolution, frequency response, and other audible aspects of an amp? I keep reading around that the tubes make all the difference, as if the hardware were secondary to the tubes, since, in my opinion, the amp itself would carry a majority of the sound reproduction, with the tube simply adding spice and flavor on the top. Are people just zooming way in on the differences between tubes to get a more detailed idea on what they sound like, or can tubes really make a $450 amp sound hundreds of bucks more expensive?

 

Also, sorry for all the questions, I'm simply full of them since I enjoy all this audio research, and I absolutely love to hear other's opinions on a subject I'm interested in. I'm hoping to become notorious on this site for asking hideous amounts of questions about anything and everything audio related so that I can always make an intelligent assumption and get the right gear for exactly the right reasons. Thank you all a whole ton!

 

This hasn't been posted in a while, and strictly speaking is only fully applicable to the original Lyr, but Lyr 2 owners can roll most of these (check with the Lyr 2 thread - I assume there is one - and/or Schiit, if you're not sure about a particular type).

 

I made a few minor edits.

 

original post:
http://www.head-fi.org/t/549508/schiit-lyr-the-tube-rolling-thread/6675#post_9378252

 

This is a list i made of tubes known to work in Lyr.

 

6BZ7/6BQ7A/ECC180
6N1P/6N1P-VI/6N1P-EV/6N1P-EB
6N2P (possibly)
6N23P/6N23P-EV
6DJ8
7DJ8
6922
7308
CCa
E88CC
ECC88
ECC85 [6AQ8]
E188CC
E288CC
PCC88
ECC189 [6ES8] (Variable mu, not recommended but sound great to me)
PCC189 (as above)
6CG7/6FQ7 [flabby? see the following]
6GU7 works too, but even more flabby than 6CG7

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/673709/schiit-lyr-tube-rollers/3405#post_10942771

 


 

HTH.

post #4217 of 4226
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Originally Posted by Pirakaphile View Post

Also, do tubes really have a fairly large amount of impact on the soundstage, resolution, frequency response, and other audible aspects of an amp? I keep reading around that the tubes make all the difference, as if the hardware were secondary to the tubes, since, in my opinion, the amp itself would carry a majority of the sound reproduction, with the tube simply adding spice and flavor on the top. Are people just zooming way in on the differences between tubes to get a more detailed idea on what they sound like, or can tubes really make a $450 amp sound hundreds of bucks more expensive?
The tubes on Lyr can make as much difference as a full amp swap. I purchased some Telefunken E88CCs on recommendations from the guys on this thread. In terms of perceived value (totally subjective, mind you) I thought the Lyr sounded like a $300 amp with stock tubes. Now, with the Telefunken tubes fully burned in, I'd say it sounds like a $750 amp.
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The tubes on Lyr can make as much difference as a full amp swap. I purchased some Telefunken E88CCs on recommendations from the guys on this thread. In terms of perceived value (totally subjective, mind you) I thought the Lyr sounded like a $300 amp with stock tubes. Now, with the Telefunken tubes fully burned in, I'd say it sounds like a $750 amp.

You got the version that's being produced today? Or NOS?

post #4219 of 4226
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The tubes on Lyr can make as much difference as a full amp swap. I purchased some Telefunken E88CCs on recommendations from the guys on this thread. In terms of perceived value (totally subjective, mind you) I thought the Lyr sounded like a $300 amp with stock tubes. Now, with the Telefunken tubes fully burned in, I'd say it sounds like a $750 amp.
You got the version that's being produced today? Or NOS?
NOS from upscale audio. He scored the motherload on cherry 1960's Teles a few months ago. Almost all platinum or near platinum grade. They go for $129 apiece (or a little more for platinum grade). They sound good out of the box, but after 200-300 hours... there are no words to describe it. Seriously, one of the best audiophile purchases I've ever made.
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NOS from upscale audio. He scored the motherload on cherry 1960's Teles a few months ago. Almost all platinum or near platinum grade. They go for $129 apiece (or a little more for platinum grade). They sound good out of the box, but after 200-300 hours... there are no words to describe it. Seriously, one of the best audiophile purchases I've ever made.
Yes I got the Telefunken E88CC platinum tubes from upscale audio also and they are the pride of my collection, especially with my Alpha Prime's. I also have a currently produced Telefunken E88CC TK E88CC tubes that sound better than the stock tubes but not as good as my Genalex Gold Lions.
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NOS from upscale audio. He scored the motherload on cherry 1960's Teles a few months ago. Almost all platinum or near platinum grade. They go for $129 apiece (or a little more for platinum grade). They sound good out of the box, but after 200-300 hours... there are no words to describe it. Seriously, one of the best audiophile purchases I've ever made.
Ho dog, lot of money for a good tube. I'll prolly start with something much cheaper, probably something either under $50 a piece, but I'll work my way up. Hope you're having a ton of fun with your music!
post #4222 of 4226
I literally said, "I must be crazy," when I hit the buy button. But they were worth every penny. They make the HE500's sing like no other. Still, you have lots of good options around $50.
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Buy NOS from the country of manufacture, TFK are from Germany and $130 just is silly money......Siemens are from Germany, Mullards are from England, Philips are from Holland. You get the idea. Buy USA tubes from USA, buy european tubes from europe. That way you get the best choice and price.

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Selling pair of almost NOS telefunkens if interested contact me for details
post #4225 of 4226
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Originally Posted by Nic Rhodes View Post

Buy NOS from the country of manufacture, TFK are from Germany and $130 just is silly money......Siemens are from Germany, Mullards are from England, Philips are from Holland. You get the idea. Buy USA tubes from USA, buy european tubes from europe. That way you get the best choice and price.
You can get newer ones much cheaper... but golden age (1966-1968 manufacture) holy-grail-level Teles with triodes matched at 1%?
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Why 1%? If you want cheap NOS TFK go to Germany.....

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