New Schiit! Ragnarok and Yggdrasil
Mar 26, 2015 at 11:20 PM Post #5,191 of 9,484
Hope springs eternal, but reality usually stomps hard on it's head.....  
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Mar 26, 2015 at 11:35 PM Post #5,192 of 9,484
   
Mike posted that the first batch is down from 250 units to between 110 and 140 units due to a parts shortage. Given how quickly the first batch of Ragnarok disappeared. you must be feeling very optimistic if you think Yggy will be readily available from April - hopefully, it wont be as ludicrous as the wait time on a BHSE, but given that very little of this DAC appears to be 'off the shelf' parts I suspect there are some interesting times ahead.

 
Estreeter,-don't put the hex on this.
If I get mine by June,I'll be happy. ,,
 
Remember,Jason is giving us this dac for a very fair price,it's not like we have to wait 1 year and spend $10K
 
Mar 26, 2015 at 11:37 PM Post #5,193 of 9,484
Damn it @estreeter, dont invoke that old chinese curse here! We're allowed to have some hope...

 
Unless I'm posting as baldr, or working for Schiit's suppliers, I'm afraid I'm just the messenger here buddy. We all know how much interest this DAC has generated - and more will undoubtedly come from CANJAM - and that interest most definitely isnt restricted to Head-Fiers. I can point you to a hundred or so threads from people who feel the move to s-d chips was a huge mistake, but those old R2R DACs have ~20 years on them now : its only natural that a new $2300 R2R DAC will bring those guys out in droves.
 
Mar 26, 2015 at 11:56 PM Post #5,194 of 9,484
   
Unless I'm posting as baldr, or working for Schiit's suppliers, I'm afraid I'm just the messenger here buddy. We all know how much interest this DAC has generated - and more will undoubtedly come from CANJAM - and that interest most definitely isnt restricted to Head-Fiers. I can point you to a hundred or so threads from people who feel the move to s-d chips was a huge mistake, but those old R2R DACs have ~20 years on them now : its only natural that a new $2300 R2R DAC will bring those guys out in droves.

In your estimation,how soon,after CANJAM,do you think,the Yiggdrasil will be listed???
 
Mar 27, 2015 at 12:51 AM Post #5,196 of 9,484
Estreeter,-don't put the hex on this.
If I get mine by June,I'll be happy. ,,

Remember,Jason is giving us this dac for a very fair price,it's not like we have to wait 1 year and spend $10K

+1 Yes I will be delighted if I can get a Yggdrasil, at the end of June. If enough folk go for this dac, like I think, I might get a Yggdrasil in early November. Only time will tell.:wink:.
 
Mar 27, 2015 at 12:55 AM Post #5,197 of 9,484
   
Unless I'm posting as baldr, or working for Schiit's suppliers, I'm afraid I'm just the messenger here buddy. We all know how much interest this DAC has generated - and more will undoubtedly come from CANJAM - and that interest most definitely isnt restricted to Head-Fiers. I can point you to a hundred or so threads from people who feel the move to s-d chips was a huge mistake, but those old R2R DACs have ~20 years on them now : its only natural that a new $2300 R2R DAC will bring those guys out in droves.


I'm lucky to have scooped up a pristine Theta DS Pro Progeny off eBay for $276 + free shipping. It bests the Bifrost Uber in so many ways. That is why the Yggdrasil is on its way. R2R + super filter = musical heaven.
 
I have what is similar to a single ended Yggdrasil or Gen V and I can tell you with the Asgard 2 I will put up my single ended setup against the very best SE setups and will at CanJam
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Mar 27, 2015 at 1:12 AM Post #5,198 of 9,484
  In your estimation,how soon,after CANJAM,do you think,the Yiggdrasil will be listed???

 
That's the 2300 dollar question, isnt it ? Given that April 1st would fit in with the Schiit sense of humor, that would have been my pick, but Mike's last update pointed to several important steps between the current batch on the production line and anything finding it's way into a DHL or Fedex van. I'm sure that if Schiit wanted to give an estimate they would, but we're in the position now that we've waited this long - what's another month or three ? 
 
Mar 27, 2015 at 2:01 AM Post #5,199 of 9,484
The update on Yggy status as of Late Thursday, Mar 26, The Yggy is in production – here is a brief description of remaining steps:
 
All first article PCBs have been approved for mass production at the assembly house. We have assembled one set of the first article boards into the first production Yggy which we will be bringing to Canjam tomorrow night for the weekend show.
 
5. The production (mass) build boards are delivered to Schiit.
 
6. Schiit tests the arriving boards.
 
7. Schiit assembles them into finished Yggys.
 
8. We burn the Yggys in for a couple of days.
 
9. We final test, box, and ship them.
 
We were a couple of days late on getting all first articles approved, but that is behind us we now await completed boards for test. Our assy house can run two kits at a time and there are 6 boards with surface mount parts on both sides, so we should have the majority of them in sometime week after next.
 
The part we were short has been fixed as we found some in stock that we will have late next week.. The first run will now be 250.
 
I still need to work on the Windoze drivers problem. We need to experiment with the best way to off-load old/on load new or experimental drivers in a reproducible manner. We also need to verify that new drivers are even necessary. Generally speaking, Windoze drivers are quirky and unreliable, period. This will only affect Windoze pilgrims using USB2.
 
I seem to read on threads on this forum that this is due to Microsoft (M$) being monopolistic capitalist pigs. Nothing could be further from the truth. It is just that M$ is either too arrogant or lazy to work out a proper implementation of USB2 into Windoze 7, 8x, or apparently Win10, leaving the heavy driver writing lifting to those who make the hardware, none of who give a Schiit about each other or making their drivers compatible with even their own different products. M$ does not give a flying ****** about the USB2 audio market, catering to M$ Office small biz users. Any version of Windoze is a total USB2 audio clusterf**k which Mac and Linux users are spared. It in particular becomes unreliable when competing USB audio devices are being used.
 
I do however use Windoze machines for engineering and product development. Unlike Windoze engineering software, engineering software written for Mac and Linux really bites the hairy banana.
 
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Mar 27, 2015 at 2:03 AM Post #5,200 of 9,484
Windoze?
 
Mar 27, 2015 at 2:04 AM Post #5,201 of 9,484
Mar 27, 2015 at 2:30 AM Post #5,202 of 9,484
  The update on Yggy status as of Late Thursday, Mar 26, The Yggy is in production – here is a brief description of remaining steps:
 
......
 
The part we were short has been fixed as we found some in stock that we will have late next week.. The first run will now be 250.
 
I still need to work on the Windoze drivers problem. We need to experiment with the best way to off-load old/on load new or experimental drivers in a reproducible manner. We also need to verify that new drivers are even necessary. Generally speaking, Windoze drivers are quirky and unreliable, period. This will only affect Windoze pilgrims using USB2.
 
I seem to read on threads on this forum that this is due to Microsoft (M$) being monopolistic capitalist pigs. Nothing could be further from the truth. It is just that M$ is either too arrogant or lazy to work out a proper implementation of USB2 into Windoze 7, 8x, or apparently Win10, leaving the heavy driver writing lifting to those who make the hardware, none of whom give a Schiit about each other or making their drivers compatible with even their own different products. M$ does not give a flying ****** about the USB2 audio market, catering to M$ Office small biz users. Any version of Windoze is a total USB2 audio clusterf**k which Mac and Linux users are spared. It in particular becomes unreliable when competing USB audio devices are being used.
 
I do however use Windoze machines for engineering and product development. Unlike Windoze engineering software, the majority of engineering software made for Mac and Linux really bites the hairy banana.

 
Thanks for this Mike, and I apologise for telling people that there would only be ~140 in the first batch. Thank you for clarifying - once again - the difficulties faced by anyone looking to build a DAC for Windows users. I copped an earful from a M$ zealot a couple of pages back and I'll be more than happy to bring your post to his attention. Have a blast at CANJAM and I expect we'll get another update very soon. 
 
Mar 27, 2015 at 2:38 AM Post #5,203 of 9,484
First of all, not sure what are you complaining about. According to Schiit the Windows drivers will work fine.

And second, it's not exactly fair to accuse MS here. They are not the ones cashing the extra money for the drivers. And if they provide a USB2 audio driver that will put many 3rd party vendors out of work...how would you like to be one of those and have your bread eaten by MS's driver? MS is already accused of monopoly practices, could very well be that they decided not to put any more fuel on that fire.

 
Want to run that part about 'the Windows drivers will work fine' past me again, Chief ? 
 
http://www.head-fi.org/t/667711/new-schiit-ragnarok-and-yggdrasil/5190#post_11449383
 
Mike is going to have to put in whatever hours it takes to get these drivers right - somehow I doubt he shares your outlook. 
 
Mar 27, 2015 at 2:47 AM Post #5,204 of 9,484
Yep I'm thinking some time next year. World ain't going to end if I don't get one now - although if it ends before I get my chance to hear one I might be a tiny bit disappointed :wink:

+1 Yes I will be delighted if I can get a Yggdrasil, at the end of June. If enough folk go for this dac, like I think, I might get a Yggdrasil in early November. Only time will tell.:wink:.
 

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