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post #76 of 352
I owned the ED8 and loved the look but found the cable quality horrid. Sound wasn't even as enjoyable as the likes of momentums... I heard the signature series were very good but have not tried them. But again, they go for a very hefty price tag.

Good headphones but not value for the money such as example, hifiman (which has average build quality and materials but fantastic sound lol).
post #77 of 352
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Originally Posted by pietcux View Post

Having owned some headphones with a high reputation, Sennheiser HD650, Beyerdynamic DT-1350/ T70p, Sony MDR-1 and still owning the AKG K702, I can only say that both Signature phones are well designed fantastic sounding headphones. No overemphasized treble, no uncontrolled bass, no recessed mids. These are on par with a lot of the other well recognized high end cans, for me even better in some ways. So to quote Ultrasone is not competitive is not totally true, I guess. But as I had some of the other Ultrasones, I know where the critics come from, aka they have some weak points that could trouble some, but also seem to fascinate others.

I hope that the ED 12 is better in some ways as the ED 10 was and still is. But I can also live with being happy with the Signatures for some time to come. 

 

None of these are direct competitors to the ED. 12... and I wouldn't call any of those "high-end cans". I've heard both Signature headphones, and they are great for portable headphones. Probably some of the best, if not the best for portable use. But they don't come close to any of the top competitors for reference and home listening. Problem I see with Ultrasone is they don't seem to know where they fit in, in the headphone market. They have tons of headphones, all of which have some major cons. Their "higher" end lines, like the Signature Series and the Ed.'s are priced directly to compete with the likes of some excellent headphones (i.e LCD-3, HE-6, HD800, TH-900), all of which perform much better. The steep price tag is just a major turn off, especially considering Ultrasone's track record with the likes of the Ed. 10. 

 

I would have to agree, when it comes to TOTL products that deliver the best SQ, Ultrasone is never in that category. They always seem to make products that look the part, but never deliver the SQ to please the hardcore enthusiasts. I hope that will change with the ED. 12, but I doubt it. 


Edited by Greed - 5/30/13 at 2:58pm
post #78 of 352

If you could rate in percentage, how much better than the HD650 are the best cans you personally own? Just to give me a benchmark.


Edited by pietcux - 5/31/13 at 2:27am
post #79 of 352
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Originally Posted by GermanGuy View Post

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

More than one year ago i spent more than an hour to listen to the ed10, really wanted to give that headphone a chance,

i left the hifi shop with a hd 800, i would not have paid even 100 whatever currency for the ed10.

Last year i spent half an our at the high end munich to listen to ed8, sig pro an ed10. While ed8 and sig pro sounded ok but no wow effect the ed10 for me was as bad sounding as before.

I left the high end with a new t5p.

This year i listened to the ed12 at the high end munich and was even more dissapointed. Stopped listening after some minutes.

I went home with my new final audio piano forte viii.

May be next year i will listen to the new ed14 and go home with an agk k6006.

Usually when you listen to a new headphone, you get an initial impression about the sound, also with the ed8 or sig pro that was possible to get an impression of the general tonality, soundstage, bass .. but with the ed10 and now the ed12 the only impression for me was and is that this sound has nothing to do with sound and how the f*** ( sorry for that word not written completely) can any manufacturer release such a product.

What i don't like is that ultrasone difference between theory and reality, sound description vs listening experience, unproven theories vs sonic result, and the neverending ultrasone headphones argument that the headphone is excellent but my unability to get used to their whatever logic plus prevents me from accepting that they sound excellent.

By the way, i love headphones and listening to music with hedphones starting nearly 30 years ago with stax sr lambda, srm-1 and nakamichi dragon with dual highcom ii, but have never heard something like the ed10 and ed12 in a bad way.

I really want want want an ultrasone ed whatever with the build of the ed10, the quality, the look, the materials, comfortable, light, ... but

If you call ultrasone for information, contact them via email etc, they are fast responding, friendly, helpfull, really nice guys.

But for me it is impossible to understand or hear why the ed10 or ed12 ever were released as a product .

 

OMG, can it be another EPIC FAIL... rolleyes.gif

post #80 of 352

Many Ultrasone Haters here....

 

I know one or two guys who heard ed12 ( and one is usually an ultrasone hater )  during Japanese or German audio Festival and both were really well surprised about ed12 in comparison to ed10 ( more "easy" signature and potential competitor to well considered hd800 or T1 in the same price range)  

 

We all know that ed10 is a love/hate , very specific and very overpriced headphone. Tyll and many listeners hated it . But many listeners loved it too and compared it to ths biggest flagships. I think I don't need to give you one of the most phenomenal review in this forum ?

 

So can we all wait many objective and complete reviews before judging this ed12 please ?  

 

In one word : Stop trolling ! 

post #81 of 352

Looks like Ultrasone S-Logic is still a problem, and quality control may still be a huge bugbear..

post #82 of 352
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Originally Posted by Sorrodje View Post

Many Ultrasone Haters here....

 

I know one or two guys who heard ed12 ( and one is usually an ultrasone hater )  during Japanese or German audio Festival and both were really well surprised about ed12 in comparison to ed10 ( more "easy" signature and potential competitor to well considered hd800 or T1 in the same price range)  

 

We all know that ed10 is a love/hate , very specific and very overpriced headphone. Tyll and many listeners hated it . But many listeners loved it too and compared it to ths biggest flagships. I think I don't need to give you one of the most phenomenal review in this forum ?

 

So can we all wait many objective and complete reviews before judging this ed12 please ?  

 

In one word : Stop trolling ! 

 

At least for me i have the feeling not to troll nor to be an ultrasone hater. As i wrote "But for me it is impossible to understand or hear why the ed10 or ed12 ever were released as a product ." and i have shared my personal (short) listening experienece with both ed10 and ed12 because they seem to be at least somehow similar in construction and nearly nobody else has listened to them up to now.

 

No hate, nor anything else, just (for me and my ears) a dissapointing result. So i can only say

 

             "here i am, this is my opinion, god help me" ,

 

but that is my listening experience. nevertheless everybody should try to get his own impression by listing to that headphone before finally judging.


Edited by GermanGuy - 5/31/13 at 3:37am
post #83 of 352
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Originally Posted by Sorrodje View Post

Many Ultrasone Haters here....

 

I know one or two guys who heard ed12 ( and one is usually an ultrasone hater )  during Japanese or German audio Festival and both were really well surprised about ed12 in comparison to ed10 ( more "easy" signature and potential competitor to well considered hd800 or T1 in the same price range)  

 

We all know that ed10 is a love/hate , very specific and very overpriced headphone. Tyll and many listeners hated it . But many listeners loved it too and compared it to ths biggest flagships. I think I don't need to give you one of the most phenomenal review in this forum ?

 

So can we all wait many objective and complete reviews before judging this ed12 please ?  

 

In one word : Stop trolling ! 


+1

Exactly! Let's wait with hating until we have a chance to listen to it. Otherwise it's very not fair to criticize something that we don't even know yet.

post #84 of 352
I remember the Sennheiser HD 700 being described as unlistenable. I went to my local High End store and put them on with my own rig and music. They had the HD 800 and the T1 also available for me. I could enjoy all three. They have differences, but you can listen to all of them without getting deaf.
post #85 of 352
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Originally Posted by GermanGuy View Post

 

At least for me ...

 

 

You're the first to give an experience-based opinion here. Thanks for that ;)  it seems Ultrasones are not for you.  In my case , i tried an often well appreciated headphone, the Hifiman he 400. although I recognize easily it's a good headphone I really hated it and sold it quickly but I'll never say anything bad about he-400 or hifiman.   

 

What's unfair is to judge any headphone before any serious listening.    

post #86 of 352

What?

Are you seriously suggesting we aren't supposed to comment about the aesthetic appeal (or lack thereof) of a headphone, or even the history of the manufacturer?

 

Ultrasone happens to be one of those companies which, due to their S_Logic technology polarises the people into those who get it and those who don't.

 

I am one who has tried 3 different models of Ultrasone with S-Logic, and each one was sibilant.

 

I do like the style of their phones though.

 

There are some who think the headbands on most models are flimsy and cheap.

 

DO you think I am out of line with the above remarks?

post #87 of 352
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Originally Posted by wink View Post

 

 

DO you think I am out of line with the above remarks?

 

Out of the lines I don't think so . Off topic definitely in my opinion. The least we can do is to wait to have the chance to try it before debating about Ultrasone's general policy. here's the ed12 topic , not ed10 , not S-logic ...  If ed12 sounds good , I personnally don't mind about S-logic or Ed8 Julia edition colors or about ed10 or pro750 sibilancy.  I dont' judge hd800 based on all sennheiser mass products. 

 

From my above exemple. I hated he-400 but i don't go to he-6 thread to denounce the odd way hifiman tweaks the sound of its mid-fi product or the horrid box they use to ship it or their s... connectors.  I hated Ultrasone pro750 too . 

 

But I really don't want to create any debate. Only expose my opinion about this thread redface.gif


Edited by Sorrodje - 5/31/13 at 7:25am
post #88 of 352

While I understand the opinion that says we shouldn't discuss other headphones in a thread about the Ed 12 specifically, I respectfully disagree. Unfortunately, Ultrasone has created a reputation for making wildly unbalanced price-to-performance flagships that do not hold up to comparably priced cans from other companies, and the onus is on them to address that. If the thread devolved into only an Ultrasone bash-fest based on previous models and no new information was coming through, then I would agree. However, I don't feel like the opinions expressed here were done in a malicious or trolling way, and are frankly a direct and rather inexorable result of some of the poor items Ultrasone has decided to release with their brand name on the line. I have not personally heard the Ed 10, but its reputation most definitely precedes it, and the Ed 12 was obviously made in direct homage to at least the aesthetic design of the Ed 10, making a comparison reasonable and inevitable, until more listening impressions are available. 

 

Personally, I find the Ed 10 to be the single most beautiful headphone I have ever seen, bar none. I would absolutely love for Ultrasone to come out with an identical or equally-beautiful design that has the sonic performance to match it, and I'll hold out hope for the Ed 12 until I get to hear it or a more general consensus is reached. But like it or not, creating a headphone on the Ultrasone brand that looks nearly identical to the Ed 10 is going to engender comparisons to the Ed 10, and it's up to Ultrasone to prove that they can make a better-sounding product. 

 

All IMO, of course. 

post #89 of 352

Indeed, I don't find any of the opinions here to be hostile or in a trolling manner. We all have reservations on what this headphone will sound like based on past experiences with Ultrasone products (specifically Ed.8/10) and also Ultrasone's track record. The fact is, they have yet to impress the hardcore enthusiasts here, and the admission price to even here these headphones is so high that many people are turned away by the bad reviews. They don't want to take the chance that they may like them despite the poor impressions because of the hefty price tag. The Ed.10 was absurdly overpriced, and the performance didn't justify even half the asking price. I hope the Ed. 12 will be different, not only because it is a gorgeous looking headphone, but because we are all hoping Ultrasone finally gets something right...


Edited by Greed - 5/31/13 at 8:46am
post #90 of 352

I think the cloth pads look cheap compared to the Ed10's leather pads.

 

Why people who have such strong biases against Ultrasone, continue to frequent  & comment in Ultrasone-related threads, even when the model in question has not been released to the public (and therefore commentary is purely speculative at this point), is beyond me.

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