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[REVIEW] HiFiMAN HE-500 vs Sennheiser HD600
Mar 26, 2013 at 11:44 AM Post #76 of 260
@preproman
 
You know, eke2k6 went out of his way and wasted a lot of his valuable time in an attempt to write a review and share it with the community so others on here could have a point of reference. I find your comments rather insulting and arrogant towards eke. If you have a difference of opinion then please state it in a non insulting and mocking way. As it is me and others of this community really don't appreciate reading a mocking statement stating that someone else's honest opinion is invalid because you tend to disagree with it.
 
By the way I've never had a HD600 on my head but I have had a HD650 and a HE500 on my head and I've had the opportunity to AB them side by side as well as a HE-6. The HE500 is NOT a huge leap in performance over the HD650 and if the truth be known the HD650 is easily the better cost performance can. Can't really speak of the HD600 since I've never heard it but if what I've read holds any water it very much sounds like a headphone that's even more of a good performer for the bones spent. So that you also know, I heard the HD650 and the HE500 being driven on a Asgard 2/Bifrost setup, on a Magni/Modi setup as well as on a Nuforce DAC-100/Nuforce HAP-100 the latter of which was also being used to drive a HD800 and a HifiMan HE-6 with no problems whatsoever. I was even able to drive the HD650 and the HE500 within acceptable passable parameters with my puny Leckerton UHA-6S MKII/CLAS-db mobile rig setup. Speaking from experience I personally find your argument concerning amping quite invalid as well as your attitude on this thread insulting towards the OP which leaves me no other option but to report it to the site mods and have your posts deleted.
 
Good day sir and enjoy your HE500.
 
Mar 26, 2013 at 11:49 AM Post #77 of 260
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Seems like you don't know the difference between objective and subjective...... Your hearing is not objective..
 
 
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2W is more than enough for the HE-500. Adding more to that number does jack for the sound. There's so much more to amps than just raw power, do we really need megaloud amps that can blow up an HE-6 before people are satisfied?
 
Nice review, good to hear your impressions of the two headphones. 
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Mar 26, 2013 at 11:57 AM Post #78 of 260
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hideouspride said:
This is craptastically off-topic sir. Of all the things you could discuss on a headphone site, you're going to argue the reviewer's headphone comparison to basketball greats?
 
2W is more than enough for the HE-500. Adding more to that number does jack for the sound. There's so much more to amps than just raw power, do we really need megaloud amps that can blow up an HE-6 before people are satisfied?
 
Nice review, good to hear your impressions of the two headphones. 
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It's like comparing the 650s to the 555s.
 
Mar 26, 2013 at 12:04 PM Post #79 of 260
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eke2k6 said:
 
Please tell me how I'll know when the HE-500 is "being driven properly," because that seems to be an excuse for the HE-500 when someone says it's not the best in the world. My amp puts out about 2W of power (I measured), but if the HE-500 requires more than that, I'm not interested. I said I can get it to "too loud" levels at 50%. I listen at about 35%
 
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Again, if the 2W output of my amp isn't enough, I'm simply not interested.
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hideouspride said:
 
2W is more than enough for the HE-500. Adding more to that number does jack for the sound. There's so much more to amps than just raw power, do we really need megaloud amps that can blow up an HE-6 before people are satisfied?
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High wattage doesn't necessarily mean high current.  Just keep that in mind when you make broad claims like this.
 
Mar 26, 2013 at 12:05 PM Post #80 of 260
This is my last post defending my views, but please point out what was subjective about these statements:
 
 
 
The first thing that strikes you is the natural presentation of the drums in the HD600. I've played the drum set since I was six years old, and they are represented fully here. Despite the warmer presentation, transparency is top notch and every slight hi-hat strike is clearly audible. I'm noticing that the sound space is more 3D than the HE-500 due to better height, but it ultimately falls short of the width of the HE-500. I noted earlier that the HE-500 has a more cavernous sound. I'm attributing to the fact that the center channel doesn't seem to be quite as represented. The HE-500 also has a more visceral bass impact that makes the kick drum better felt.  The biggest advantage the HE-500 has over the HD600 is in the percieved clarity department, where its greater treble response propels it over the top. The side effect is that percussion seems a bit thinner.​
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Winner: HE-500. The more open sound, combined with the more impactful bass, was simply more appealing on this track.​
  
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Given the HE-500's more open sound sig, I was expecting total dominance here. Not so! The HD600 not only managed to match the HE-500 at throwing sound cues off into the distance, but it also succeeded at presenting a more coherent soundstage. Add in the better percussion timbre, and the HD600 wins this one pretty easily.​
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Mar 26, 2013 at 12:09 PM Post #81 of 260
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@preproman
 
You know, eke2k6 went out of his way and wasted a lot of his valuable time in an attempt to write a review and share it with the community so others on here could have a point of reference. I find your comments rather insulting and arrogant towards eke. If you have a difference of opinion then please state it in a non insulting and mocking way. As it is me and others of this community really don't appreciate reading a mocking statement stating that someone else's honest opinion is invalid because you tend to disagree with it.
 
By the way I've never had a HD600 on my head but I have had a HD650 and a HE500 on my head and I've had the opportunity to AB them side by side as well as a HE-6. The HE500 is NOT a huge leap in performance over the HD650 and if the truth be known the HD650 is easily the better cost performance can. Can't really speak of the HD600 since I've never heard it but if what I've read holds any water it very much sounds like a headphone that's even more of a good performer for the bones spent. So that you also know, I heard the HD650 and the HE500 being driven on a Asgard 2/Bifrost setup, on a Magni/Modi setup as well as on a Nuforce DAC-100/Nuforce HAP-100 the latter of which was also being used to drive a HD800 and a HifiMan HE-6 with no problems whatsoever. I was even able to drive the HD650 and the HE500 within acceptable passable parameters with my puny Leckerton UHA-6S MKII/CLAS-db mobile rig setup. Speaking from experience I personally find your argument concerning amping quite invalid as well as your attitude on this thread insulting towards the OP which leaves me no other option but to report it to the site mods and have your posts deleted.
 
Good day sir and enjoy your HE500.
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Seems like you have no idea what your talking about.  Who are you anyway?  
 
Find one post of mine where I questioned his findings.  What I did question was his understanding of objective and subjective.  Yes - I did question that.  I told him his hearing is not objective.  
 
Here are all the post I made in this thread.  Please find one of my post where I questiond his review.  
 
Asking what amp was used is a crime?   By the way - he didn't say it was an opinion - he said it was his objective findings.  
 
Please before you come on here attacking someone.  Have your facts together or just mind or business all together.
 
 
 
 
 

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Mar 26, 2013 at 12:13 PM Post #82 of 260
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eke2k6 said:
This is my last post defending my views, but please point out what was subjective about these statements:
 
 
 
 
 
 
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What you don't seem to understand.  Reviews and impressions are all subjective and just your opinion on things.  What if  I were to say I hear the opposite of what you do.  Then tell you those are my objective findings.  They're not.  They would be my subjective views just as yours are subjective.
 
Mar 26, 2013 at 12:28 PM Post #83 of 260
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Welcome to the "you underpowered them" corner. When I first started listening to the LCD and HE, both sounded like you described. Cavernous and diffuse centerstage. I could get plenty loud on my headphone amps and even the couple speaker amps I used and the left and right staging was beautiful. It wasn't until I put some serious speaker amp power to the HE that the staging and echo effect stopped and the intimate feel and cohesive soundstage was offered up. Lots of people think volume is the measure of an amp. This journey has shown me an amp has a lot of influence on the sound. The most influence is the spatial cues that form the soundstage. If you think the 500s are strange, listen to the 6s underpowered.

That said, dynamic driver cans are certainly the common driver in the market and the gear is designed with them in mind. When the orthos get their feed from a properly powered amp, you need less db to get the musical clarity you had to crank with other amps. The scary thing about the HE's is that when you do get properly amped, you are listening louder than you should because it sounds so damn good.

I am firmly in the ortho camp now with an extended trip with the HD 800, T-1, LCDs, RS/GS/PS, K/Q. Of course, this is my opinion and with a dollar, I might get someone to listen. The 600s are my favorite (pre 800) Sen. and on my Singlepower amp, they still are a reference dynamic can. Certainly an apple and orange challenge that have only sound in common.
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Hey, Happy Camper...
 
I get the idea that *most* headphone amps don't have the juice to really feed the HE-500 properly.  A number of head-fiers have mentioned in their threads that they use speaker amps to run this HP, as well as the HE-6, with great results.  
 
I notice in your signature box that you have Rotel amps in your setup (I've been running Rotel components as my main system since the late '80s) - but at 100 watts, it seems to me that the HE-500 would be extremely overpowered by the Rotel...  ?!  Are orthodynamic headphones happy with that much juice?
 
I've considered a lower powered (16 watts per channel) tube amp that's extremely affordable ($239) and has gotten rave reviews - the Qinpu - A-6000 MKII - Integrated /Headphone Amplifier - to drive either the HE-400 or HE-500.  Perhaps even this amp isn't powerful enough to properly drive the orthos? 
 
I am considering the DragonFly DAC/amp to pair with the HE-400, as the reviews have said that it's powerful enough to run orthos (all but the HE-6) quite nicely.
The ODAC+O2 or ODAC+C5 from JDS Labs are also in the running...
Being a noob, I'm thoroughly confused now.  
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Any feedback you could provide would be greatly appreciated - and would help prevent me from making a costly mistake in planning my HP setup.  If I'm going to invest in an ortho 'phone, I don't want to unintentionally fail to exploit its sonic wonders by underpowering it - but I don't wanna throw cash unnecessarily at a high(er)-powered amp if it's not worth the extra expenditure.
 
Cost vs. benefit and all that...
 
Mar 26, 2013 at 1:01 PM Post #84 of 260
objectivity....fairness....justice.......
wars are fought over such.
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in headfi,  those who have owned/heard more cans...n gears
obviously have a width of experience to share,  
and everyone can learn something from each other,
even from those who are "new".
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todate i still dun understand y preproman sold me his balanced pro900
its quite magical on my setup. He must have heard something even BETTER
subjectively or objectively speaking...pick one :p
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Mar 26, 2013 at 1:06 PM Post #85 of 260
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lorspeaker said:
objectivity....fairness....justice.......
wars are fought over such.
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in headfi,  those who have owned/heard more cans...n gears
obviously have a width of experience to share,  
and everyone can learn something from each other,
even from those who are "new".
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todate i still dun understand y preproman sold me his balanced pro900
its quite magical on my setup. He must have heard something even BETTER
subjectively or objectively speaking...pick one :p
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Glad you like them.  I did as well.  Just had to many headphones and not enough time.
 
Mar 26, 2013 at 1:06 PM Post #86 of 260
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Are orthodynamic headphones happy with that much juice?
 
Any feedback you could provide would be greatly appreciated - and would help prevent me from making a costly mistake in planning my HP setup.  If I'm going to invest in an ortho 'phone, I don't want to unintentionally fail to exploit its sonic wonders by underpowering it - but I don't wanna throw cash unnecessarily at a high(er)-powered amp if it's not worth the extra expenditure.
 
Cost vs. benefit and all that...
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I'm not Happy Camper but it has more to do with the quality of the amp rather than raw power. Otherwise we'd all be running class D 1k W amps
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A good start p/p wise would be T-amp. Find a decent T-amp (HLLY/Trends/Topping) and make yourself a speaker tap cable (5 mins + 5 bucks worth of parts). There's also the route of vintage receiver/cheap pro audio amp.
 
//sorry for derailing the thread =p
 
Mar 26, 2013 at 3:17 PM Post #87 of 260
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I'm not Happy Camper but it has more to do with the quality of the amp rather than raw power. Otherwise we'd all be running class D 1k W amps
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A good start p/p wise would be T-amp. Find a decent T-amp (HLLY/Trends/Topping) and make yourself a speaker tap cable (5 mins + 5 bucks worth of parts). There's also the route of vintage receiver/cheap pro audio amp.
 
//sorry for derailing the thread =p
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Thanks for the suggestions - I'll do some more research.  
 
...and FWIW - I think I did more derailing than you did.  
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Anybody else have feedback or suggestions?
 
Mar 26, 2013 at 3:23 PM Post #88 of 260
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Thanks for the suggestions - I'll do some more research.  
 
...and FWIW - I think I did more derailing than you did.  
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Anybody else have feedback or suggestions?
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You might find more luck here: http://www.head-fi.org/t/551345/hifiman-he-500-he-as-in-high-end-please-post-your-impressions-loan-pair-for-uk-pg-28
 
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