W/Rap Sucks 2.0..............................Rap/HipHop Appreciation Thread.
Aug 14, 2013 at 6:45 AM Post #2,056 of 3,914
They say that hip hop was dead; I say it was in a coma, and people just needed to look for some spark to bring it back to life. And that spark has always been available plenty in underground scenes that people just failed to notice.
 
I'll quote El-P here: "Hip hop's dead?  *** you.  / It just started. / It's funny how the most nostalgic cats were the ones who were never a part of it."
 
Aug 14, 2013 at 8:36 AM Post #2,057 of 3,914
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That's his exact intention it seems; Kendrick has put hip hop back on the map by encouraging (if rather crudely) the new and old generations alike to get back to their roots. And that's exactly what's been happening. This is the response he wanted to trigger, to incite the flow of creativity that has seemingly been lacking lately. It honestly has not been. They say that hip hop was dead; I say it was in a coma, and people just needed to look for some spark to bring it back to life. And that spark has always been available aplenty in underground scenes that people just failed to notice.

 
I never said Hip-Hop was dead, part of the problem is the Labels that push Hip-Hop into being what it shouldn't be along with the audience picking parts that doesn't really represent hip-hop to its fullest.
 
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These days, the terms new and old generation shouldn't even matter anymore. Rap and its lyricism has always been evolving, and the legends that are mentioned are legends because they have evolved along with the flow. To simply discredit new generation as just adolescents without any chance to hone their craft just feels counterproductive for the art as a whole. How the hell are we gonna evolve if we just keep sticking to the old ways?

 
No, no, no, it was evolving. From Busy B to Big L, you can see the evolution of lyricism quite clearly. Hip-Hop heads that grew up with lyricism at the forefront will know this and see it had actually degraded. The reason we don't care much for the newer/mainstream stuff is the rappers don't even have a sense lyricism. No wit, no clever lines, nothing that can make you go "oh **** did he just say that" or keep you thinking of what was just said causing you to not focus on the rest of the verse and now you have to hit the damn replay button. (I have much more things to pick on but I will leave it at that for now) None of the rappers that Kendrick mentioned have any allure to them lyrically. I will stick with lesser known dudes such as Fred the Godson, that is in a true sense, a lyricist.
 
Honestly, if you want too look at the actual evolution of lyricism, they are active in the battle realm everyday spitting the most insane lines which the mainstream rappers lack in all categories. Getting their 15-50 thousand views on youtube and that's it. I feel sorry for them as what they are doing is nothing less than amazing. Hell they don't even need a mic, they just need an audience willing to listen to lyrical enlightenment. Oh and one last thing, the highest form of lyricism is so underground, that the best lyricists don't even rap themselves lol
 
 
This, I believe, is Kendrick's intention, to stirrup the scene in a constructive manner. Lyrical rapping is akin to participating in a competitive sport; these are gladiators battling for the top spot of rap supremacy. Yeah, Kendrick might have stepped out of the line for claiming to be a King of NY, but that kind of brazen declaration is sometimes needed to turn the creative knob on full blast (case in point: Ether). Kendrick did exactly that as many rappers are currently responding back to back to one-up him. I know this is what YAOWA and the rest of the Slaughter do on their spare time, but there have been other responses that put the rap game back on the map for the masses, and this is a very exciting news to me as a rapper.


 
Here's the problem though, it still is like an adolescent trying to be treated as an adult. Let me elaborate:
 
There are still active rappers that perform fine and dandy that has lyricism at the forefront of their music. Save for meek, most of the rappers he mentioned are probably not even battle tested to begin with. How is this supposed to push them to be more lyrical when lyricism isn't even ingrained to their head yet?  
 
You can look at Fabo, he was a young hot spitter from brooklyn that doesn't lack much as a lyricist then fffff over since he can't push lyricism in his music as much as he wanted and marketed at the same time. Yet I could still look forward to him dropping ill verses now and then since I know lyricism is within him given the right circumstances to do an ill verse.
 
Now replace Fabo in the last part with any lyrical rapper you know: Joe Budden, Joell, Papoose....and the list goes on.
 
Now you have a bevy of rappers with the skill set respected through mixtapes and seen by hip-hop heads as strong lyricists. Now what will these hip-hop heads think when mainstream rappers are suddenly going to try to be lyrical? claiming king of what can't be claimed? It's either a big joke or a complete disrespect to the rappers that has already made a name for themselves.
 
 
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On a closing note, a few of the artists Kendrick mentioned could definitely match the lyricism of the rappers you posted, along with Kendrick himself: Big K.R.I.T., and J. Cole. They're not as mature, obviously, and of course cannot exceed the legends, but can definitely hold their own.
 
I can take hopsin or fred the godson over any of those guys actually, I only mentioned fred a couple times already since he has already responded to the verse and he brought up a lot of extremely good points which I would write myself but I will leave it to you to listen to.
 
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That's a hell of a mixtape.  I've heard a lot of those tracks on other B-Sides and Mixtapes (the RJD2 remix of The F-Word is amazing), but Vast definitely does his own thing.  Check out that documentary Revenge of the Robots not only for the Vast Aire feature but because El-P is one interesting cat to listen to philosophize and you get to see what Mr. Lifs mom's house looks like.
 
Just so we don't forget who the true king (okay that's 100% subjective) is:

 
In regards to bass heavy... Look at some of the all time greatest artists/albums/songs... it really varies.  I wouldn't call GangStarr bass heavy, but then I would say that the bass is not neglecated in Illmatic so there you've got a case of same producer (who is probably top 5 ever) mixing it up on take, Step Into The Arena which is not as bass heavy as Illmatic yet both are still absolute masterpieces.  That's why I love hip hop.  

Lol in a recent interview with BDK in regards to Rakim VS BDK for GOAT
 

 
IDK about GangStarr not being bass heavy, preemo's sound is very noticeable due to its bassy nature and thats what most hip-hop heads use to identify it with. Yet apparently his fave person to sample is James Brown so its more of the boom bap if anything that's easily recognizable.
 
Aug 14, 2013 at 8:44 AM Post #2,058 of 3,914
Sorry for Rakim as the GOAT...it's impossible for there to be a single greatest MC/DJ/Producer it's just when you take an across the board look at all the qualities that Rakim brings, I can't think of a more complete MC.  Maybe that's the better word.  He's still royalty.  
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Aug 14, 2013 at 9:14 AM Post #2,059 of 3,914
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Sorry for Rakim as the GOAT...it's impossible for there to be a single greatest MC/DJ/Producer it's just when you take an across the board look at all the qualities that Rakim brings, I can't think of a more complete MC.  Maybe that's the better word.  He's still royalty.  
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Typically the people mentioned are
 
MC: Rakim, Kool G Rap, BDK, KRS-One...
DJ: Kool Herc, Capri, Tony Touch, Scott La Rock...
Producer: RZA, Dre, Marley Marl, Premo....
 
Bolded are my picks.
 
I agree with being a complete MC but in terms of who you want to experience, its pretty subjective. Do I want to see the God MC? Do I want to hear rapid fire flow of Kool G? Do I want to experience the fly MC in BDK? Do I want the full boom bap that BDP brings? I would be so mad if they all came in town and I can only see one, I would still choose Rakim but still...
 
Aug 14, 2013 at 9:30 AM Post #2,060 of 3,914
Mine:
MC - Rakim
DJ - I'm gonna cheat: Invizibil Skratch Pikilz (DJ Shadow Qbert and Mix Master Mike)
Producer - Premier/RZA 
 
Now to start some controversy.  I think that when Slug is on and hits it (songs like God Loves Ugly, The Woman With Tattooed Hands, God's Bathroom Floor) his music is like nothing else in the genre (yes, this coming from someone who adores Sadistik and Grieves) and it absolutely hits me like nothing else.  Unfortunately Slug also has a lot of throw away tracks that keep him from serious GOAT discussion.  Still, when he's on, I think he's the best.  Also, as far as freestyle and speed rapping goes, one of the most underlooked cats is Tonedeff.  I think we were talking about freestyling earlier.
 
Also just throwing this out there but I think the best underground rapper (someone who has never had any airplay) is El-P.  Fantastic Damage is top 5 for me.  Then again my favorite Wu member is Raekwon so ya know...maybe I can't be trusted.
 
Aug 14, 2013 at 1:28 PM Post #2,061 of 3,914
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Mine:
MC - Rakim
DJ - I'm gonna cheat: Invizibil Skratch Pikilz (DJ Shadow Qbert and Mix Master Mike)
Producer - Premier/RZA 
 
Now to start some controversy.  I think that when Slug is on and hits it (songs like God Loves Ugly, The Woman With Tattooed Hands, God's Bathroom Floor) his music is like nothing else in the genre (yes, this coming from someone who adores Sadistik and Grieves) and it absolutely hits me like nothing else.  Unfortunately Slug also has a lot of throw away tracks that keep him from serious GOAT discussion.  Still, when he's on, I think he's the best.  Also, as far as freestyle and speed rapping goes, one of the most underlooked cats is Tonedeff.  I think we were talking about freestyling earlier.
 
Also just throwing this out there but I think the best underground rapper (someone who has never had any airplay) is El-P.  Fantastic Damage is top 5 for me.  Then again my favorite Wu member is Raekwon so ya know...maybe I can't be trusted.

You could have just posted those songs.... this the internet and we are lazy -.- .... Only know slug off of FELT which the 3 album imo are OK and interesting
 
True on El-P, so underground I have a hard time keeping up with him even though I hear so much praise out of him
 
What does that last statement have to do with anything? lol it's your fave, no one could argue about what you like or dislike
 
Aug 14, 2013 at 2:29 PM Post #2,062 of 3,914
Haha true dat but they will 
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.  Slug is from Atmosphere (Slug, Ant and the late eyedea guested a lot).  So Slug on the Lucy Ford EP and God Loves Ugly releases is where he dips that creative pen into a mind that will absolutely blow yours 
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Aug 14, 2013 at 8:36 PM Post #2,063 of 3,914
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whys he drivin so fast there is he late getting that car back to the rental place? or is he gonna get in crap for missing dinner?
 
  it's almost so seriously a joke that is not a joke but can be passed off as some sort of....joke. 
 
~ 2:50 there he is getting the models mixed up because he's too stoned or something
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maybe that's why he can barely talk.

^ LMAO only your crazy @ss would fallow the mess that's going on in that MV.
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Yeah have no idea who that dood that can barely talk is, probably some Pop wannabe rap gangsta'.
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Try the new CBO sandwich, its boss good.
 
 
 
what's this^^^^^^  

This artery clogging mess they call a sammic, nasty lookin'. Also as nasty as Twinkies. HE HE HE
 
 
 
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If you want the best rap. Youtube Rucka Rucka parody's. 

Rucka Rucka Parody, what's that??? Sounds much better than that CBO sammic that's for sure.
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Aug 14, 2013 at 8:47 PM Post #2,064 of 3,914
found a new Nomak  "Fantastical View"
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,   unless it's older and I never saw it before. Yeah 2006
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HOW"D I MISS THIS? All of it is totally excellent !!!!!!!
 
What does CBO stand for anyhow or do I not want to know
 

 

 
He had one of this but the original is always best.  Catchy.
 
Souls Of Mischief -  93 'Til Inifinity
 

 
Aug 14, 2013 at 8:54 PM Post #2,065 of 3,914
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found a new Nomak  "Fantastical View" ,   unless it's older and I never saw it before. Maybe some remixes?
 
What does CBO stand for anyhow or do I not want to know


There you go, CASH$$$, Beyatches, and Ohs reverse it.
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Da formula to a successful rap song is DAT CBO meng.
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/19/mcdonalds-cheddar-bacon-onion-sandwich_n_1988633.html
 
Aug 14, 2013 at 9:06 PM Post #2,066 of 3,914
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^ LMAO only your crazy @ss would fallow the mess that's going on in that MV.
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Yeah have no idea who that dood that can barely talk is, probably some Pop wannabe rap gangsta'.
This artery clogging mess they call a sammic, nasty lookin'. Also as nasty as Twinkies. HE HE HE
 
 
 
Rucka Rucka Parody, what's that??? Sounds much better than that CBO sammic that's for sure.
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Well, McDonalds is just shooting straight for your heart so you can love them even better. Every bite, you will feel it in your heart, thats mickie d's way of saying "love you"
 
Aug 14, 2013 at 9:12 PM Post #2,067 of 3,914
Can't see how anyone can complain about that Mickey-D's stuff when they are all over FatBurger and places like that.( never been myself )
 
Where's Ruddfu...Fuddruckers when you need em... too bad. Maybe you guys don't remember that place..
 
Aug 14, 2013 at 9:16 PM Post #2,068 of 3,914
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Well, McDonalds is just shooting straight for your heart so you can love them even better. Every bite, you will feel it in your heart, thats mickie d's way of saying "love you"


haha, takes "i'm lovin' it" to a whole new level. Thank god there are In N' Outs here at Cali, can't eat any other fast food besides that. Makes everything NOT WORTHY!!!
 
OH YEAH, 20X20 baby!!!
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Aug 14, 2013 at 9:32 PM Post #2,069 of 3,914
Sf get out your best featherduster for this next post, or you could use your feather scarf instead.  hey it's cool no need to be embarrassed. You're just ahead of the fashion curve .
 
Lords of the Underground - Chief Rocka
 

 
Camp Lo " Lucini aka This Is It "

 
Pete Rock and CL Smooth " They Reminisce Over You "
 

 
Dream Warriors "Ludi"    
 

 
Aug 14, 2013 at 10:01 PM Post #2,070 of 3,914
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Can't see how anyone can complain about that Mickey-D's stuff when they are all over FatBurger and places like that.( never been myself )
 
Where's Ruddfu...Fuddruckers when you need em... too bad. Maybe you guys don't remember that place..

Hmmm, never heard of Fuddruckers before, but it seems like they give you a all you can eat salad bar and topping bar. NICE!!!
 
http://www.yelp.com/biz/fuddruckers-restaurant-san-diego
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Sf get out your best featherduster for this next post, or you could use your feather scarf instead.  hey it's cool the band members from the Muppets wear them also so no need to be embarrassed.
 
Lords of the Underground - Chief Rocka
 
 
Camp Lo " Lucini aka This Is It "
 
 
Pete Rock and CL Smooth " They Reminisce Over You "
 

 
Dream Warriors "Ludi"    
 

Good stuff nick, but i posted TROY on my OP post meng.
 
READ NICK READ!!!
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