Head-Fi.org › Forums › Equipment Forums › Portable Source Gear › The New iRiver AK100: A High-End DAP
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

The New iRiver AK100: A High-End DAP - Page 402

post #6016 of 8516
Quote:
Originally Posted by CraftyClown View Post

 

 

Correct me if I'm wrong Vinnie, but I understood the rule of thumb to be an 8 x multiplier

I know it as x8 too but maybe 10 is more guarentee way. Just guessing though, don't count on me.

post #6017 of 8516

folks, my ak100 frequently displayed error of format not supported ,play next song ? with yes/no prompt. Thing is I load all my songs in FLAC which is a supported format. And more strangely, sometimes the same song plays and sometime dont. Have anyone experienced this ? If so what would be the troubleshooting for this ? Thanks

post #6018 of 8516
Quote:
Originally Posted by forbigger View Post

folks, my ak100 frequently displayed error of format not supported ,play next song ? with yes/no prompt. Thing is I load all my songs in FLAC which is a supported format. And more strangely, sometimes the same song plays and sometime dont. Have anyone experienced this ? If so what would be the troubleshooting for this ? Thanks

 

This has happened to me before and tends to relate with a problem reading the card. I would suggest you turn off the device. Remove and then re-insert your cards. Switch the device back on and then re-scan the cards. That hopefully should fix any problems you are having

post #6019 of 8516

thanks Crafty.....it sorted out for now. So i assume if it happens again, I'll just repeat the same chore ?

post #6020 of 8516

I wonder what the problem is. I store my Flac on a micro sd card, and no such problem came up in mine...yet.

post #6021 of 8516

I've just recently joined the ranks of the blessed ones to own an AK100.  I found out about this unique device in a strange way.  I was day dreaming while doing the dishes and wondered...wouldn't it be great if there was a small media player that could play heavy HD FLAC files so I wouldn't have to have my computer hooked up to my HiFi all the time?  Something with an optical out, I wonder if something like that exists.  Thank you Google for emptying my wallet for me! Why of course there is such a device and here it is, better than you could have imagined.  

 

I paired mine with a set of Shure SE425s and couldn't be happier.  Just getting my head around all the potential upgrades and firmware updates to do in the near future.  For the time being I'm still on 1.20 and starting to explore the abilities of this great little player.

 

I have downloaded a handful of must-have albums from HDtracks and was totally tempted by the top shelf stuff 24bit/192kHz...why not get the best?  Now I have a question about playing these files through my Yamaha RX471 amp via TOSLINK.  It seems the 24/192kHz files only send info for the L/R channels and the SW channel where any 24/96kHz files send info for all 5 speakers (I have a 5.1 set up).  I don't want to get into a discussion over 2.1 vs 5.1 pros and cons, but I like how things sound through all 5 speakers.  So what's up with the higher quality files not turning on all the channels?  Attempting to switch speaker output on the amp only replies with a "not available" message.  

 

I'm quite happy just pushing the 24/96kHz files to the amp but I was interested in what was going on?  Any insight?

 

Anyway thanks for all your knowledge and spirited discussion on this little player it all helped me decide I needed one.  I feel like I've joined a select club now.  Looking forward to seeing how else it can impress me.

post #6022 of 8516

Welcome to Head-Fi Idioteque74 and may I be the first to say.... I am truly, truly, sorry for your wallet biggrin.gif

post #6023 of 8516
Quote:
Originally Posted by CraftyClown View Post

Welcome to Head-Fi Idioteque74 and may I be the first to say.... I am truly, truly, sorry for your wallet biggrin.gif

You stole my quote! very_evil_smiley.gif tongue.gif

post #6024 of 8516
Quote:
Originally Posted by CraftyClown View Post

Welcome to Head-Fi Idioteque74 and may I be the first to say.... I am truly, truly, sorry for your wallet biggrin.gif

beat to me it.... lol...

 

 

anyway Idioteque74 congratz on a fine purchase :)

post #6025 of 8516
Quote:
Originally Posted by Idioteque74 View Post

I've just recently joined the ranks of the blessed ones to own an AK100.  I found out about this unique device in a strange way.  I was day dreaming while doing the dishes and wondered...wouldn't it be great if there was a small media player that could play heavy HD FLAC files so I wouldn't have to have my computer hooked up to my HiFi all the time?  Something with an optical out, I wonder if something like that exists.  Thank you Google for emptying my wallet for me! Why of course there is such a device and here it is, better than you could have imagined.  

 

I paired mine with a set of Shure SE425s and couldn't be happier.  Just getting my head around all the potential upgrades and firmware updates to do in the near future.  For the time being I'm still on 1.20 and starting to explore the abilities of this great little player.

 

I have downloaded a handful of must-have albums from HDtracks and was totally tempted by the top shelf stuff 24bit/192kHz...why not get the best?  Now I have a question about playing these files through my Yamaha RX471 amp via TOSLINK.  It seems the 24/192kHz files only send info for the L/R channels and the SW channel where any 24/96kHz files send info for all 5 speakers (I have a 5.1 set up).  I don't want to get into a discussion over 2.1 vs 5.1 pros and cons, but I like how things sound through all 5 speakers.  So what's up with the higher quality files not turning on all the channels?  Attempting to switch speaker output on the amp only replies with a "not available" message.  

 

I'm quite happy just pushing the 24/96kHz files to the amp but I was interested in what was going on?  Any insight?

 

Anyway thanks for all your knowledge and spirited discussion on this little player it all helped me decide I needed one.  I feel like I've joined a select club now.  Looking forward to seeing how else it can impress me.

 

I'm not sure what your amp is doing and why it defaults to 2 channel (it could well be that it will not do any processing to 192khz files and you are getting a direct feed, which would be preferable in my opinion. You will probably find in that case your subwoofer will not be working either and it is just your front speakers doing all the work) however there is a rather large school of thought that says although 192khz is nice in theory, there is actually nothing to be gained above 96khz. Some even say 192khz will cause more problems and may deteriorate the sq. 

 

In my opinion, if you want to listen to your music through all your speakers and only 96khz will allow you to do that, then just stick with that. I would very suprised if you could hear a difference between that and 192khz anyway.


Edited by CraftyClown - 6/26/13 at 6:45am
post #6026 of 8516
Quote:
Originally Posted by AmberOzL View Post

I know it as x8 too but maybe 10 is more guarentee way. Just guessing though, don't count on me.

 

All,

 

The 8x and 10x is a general rule of thumb - not a guaranteed method.  The higher the multiplier, the better.  I would want

at least 10x.  

 

Also - speaker impedance divided by amp output impedance = damping factor.  A DF under 10 tends to sound a little sloppy (bass

is not well defined, transients lose their attack, etc.).  

 

As the DF gets really low (like 2, 1, or under 1 - as is the case with using the stock AK100's output with low impedance headphones), even

the frequency response of the headphone gets thrown off.... sometimes severely.

 

Of course you need to listen for yourself and decide if the resulting sound is good.  You might be perfectly happy with something like an 8x, and if you are, then don't worry about it. L3000.gif

 

Vinnie

post #6027 of 8516
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinnie R. View Post

 

All,

 

The 8x and 10x is a general rule of thumb - not a guaranteed method.  The higher the multiplier, the better.  I would want

at least 10x.  

 

Also - speaker impedance divided by amp output impedance = damping factor.  A DF under 10 tends to sound a little sloppy (bass

is not well defined, transients lose their attack, etc.).  

 

As the DF gets really low (like 2, 1, or under 1 - as is the case with using the stock AK100's output with low impedance headphones), even

the frequency response of the headphone gets thrown off.... sometimes severely.

 

Of course you need to listen for yourself and decide if the resulting sound is good.  You might be perfectly happy with something like an 8x, and if you are, then don't worry about it. L3000.gif

 

Vinnie

 

Cheers Vinnie, good to know

post #6028 of 8516
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinnie R. View Post

 

All,

 

The 8x and 10x is a general rule of thumb - not a guaranteed method.  The higher the multiplier, the better.  I would want

at least 10x.  

 

Also - speaker impedance divided by amp output impedance = damping factor.  A DF under 10 tends to sound a little sloppy (bass

is not well defined, transients lose their attack, etc.).  

 

As the DF gets really low (like 2, 1, or under 1 - as is the case with using the stock AK100's output with low impedance headphones), even

the frequency response of the headphone gets thrown off.... sometimes severely.

 

Of course you need to listen for yourself and decide if the resulting sound is good.  You might be perfectly happy with something like an 8x, and if you are, then don't worry about it. L3000.gif

 

Vinnie

Nice explanation, agreed with CC, good to know.

post #6029 of 8516
Vinnie, thanks, actually i am curious if moded S version with a good amp will be a big step up from Ak120 since i like Rwak a lot and still sit on the fence concerning upgrade.
post #6030 of 8516
We all await comparisons. Am not bothered about size difference myself. Build quality of AK100 (modded or otherwise) vs AK120 may come into it as this game is not exactly cheap...
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Portable Source Gear
Head-Fi.org › Forums › Equipment Forums › Portable Source Gear › The New iRiver AK100: A High-End DAP