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Nov 20, 2014 at 7:16 PM Post #6,962 of 9,120
For gaming, no. Most of today's games would only use 4 cores and the i5 has much faster cores than FX. Even on benchmark apps where the FX can use all of its cores, it can still barely match Haswell i5.

IMO just save up for an i5.
 
Nov 20, 2014 at 7:49 PM Post #6,963 of 9,120
Nov 20, 2014 at 9:07 PM Post #6,964 of 9,120
Don't bother buying any AMD CPU for high end until Zen which won't be until 2016. They've been taking their...probably 5 year break now. Progress stopped after Phenom II.
 
Zen is going back to the traditional CPU structure instead of the module (physical threads) design.
 
I find it odd Zen is going to start at the 10-14nm fab since they're still on 28nm right now. Quite the large jump. Still, looking forward to Zen. Maybe AMD will become relevant in the high-end market again.
 
Nov 20, 2014 at 9:14 PM Post #6,966 of 9,120
http://www.gamersnexus.net/game-bench/1701-far-cry-4-gpu-benchmark-amd-is-broken-again
 
 
It took me all of 2 hours playing around with my settings and cards to realize that the game is pretty much broken for AMD cards.
 
The link pretty much confirmed what was happening
 
 

Game-Breaking Stuttering, Frame Drops, & Choppiness on AMD

Far Cry 4 has fairly intensive graphics, but the game performs fluidly on all nVidia hardware. The fluidity with which gameplay unfolded meant that even nVidia devices pushing 30-40FPS were still more than “playable” in both input and visual output. AMD devices suffered horribly, though. Even with a 290X on medium settings, we experienced frame stuttering and choppiness (similar to what we saw in Watch_Dogs) that was jarring enough to be considered “unplayable.” Panning the camera left-to-right showcases the stuttering and frame drops, ultimately netting a somewhat nauseating experience on AMD GPUs.

We experienced this stuttering across all tested AMD devices, including the HD 7000-series card and rebrands (250X).

Owners of AMD devices should not purchase Far Cry 4 until further patches and driver updates are issued by both the developer and AMD. We tested with 14.11.2 beta drivers and Ubisoft's day-1 1GB patch, but know that updates are forthcoming.

Optimization is Great... for Half the Market

NVIDIA's cards run shockingly fluidly given the somewhat average framerates. Far Cry 4 is completely playable on a 750 Ti, though you'd want to drop settings a bit (probably close to “low”) for those scenes featuring explosives and high-action. The special “NVIDIA” preset game settings create an environment that features low-hanging fog, cloud-piercing god rays, and AA / AO that make for a beautifully-rendered game.

Unfortunately, none of this matters if you're on an AMD video card. The game is shamefully unplayable on AMD devices, to the point that I question whether Ubisoft even performed internal testing on AMD GPUs.


Read more at http://www.gamersnexus.net/game-bench/1701-far-cry-4-gpu-benchmark-amd-is-broken-again#YtGRyTjzVAz4TsIC.99
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Nov 20, 2014 at 9:46 PM Post #6,967 of 9,120
Nov 20, 2014 at 11:01 PM Post #6,968 of 9,120
hybridcore said:
  Don't bother buying any AMD CPU for high end until Zen which won't be until 2016. They've been taking their...probably 5 year break now. Progress stopped after Phenom II.
 
Zen is going back to the traditional CPU structure instead of the module (physical threads) design.
 
I find it odd Zen is going to start at the 10-14nm fab since they're still on 28nm right now. Quite the large jump. Still, looking forward to Zen. Maybe AMD will become relevant in the high-end market again.
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Any further info about the Zen? I haven't do any research about it, though it does sound quite intriguing. I imagine with the extent of the performance lead Intel have over AMD, they would need to take a few years break and take their time on developing a competitive CPU on which they are going to base their future CPUs on.
 
Phenom II was miles behind the performance of Intel CPUs of that time as well, which was the Q9650 / i7-920 if I remember it correctly. I've never tried using AMD CPU, but I am very interested if they manage to develop a competitive product.
 
Nov 20, 2014 at 11:17 PM Post #6,969 of 9,120
vxace said:
  Cables could use some work. *runs*
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I know, that rig was a spontaneous setup after my old one blew up and I haven't really been bothered to fix it. I will once I get a new case.
 
Nov 21, 2014 at 12:44 AM Post #6,970 of 9,120
62ohm said:
For gaming, no. Most of today's games would only use 4 cores and the i5 has much faster cores than FX. Even on benchmark apps where the FX can use all of its cores, it can still barely match Haswell i5.

IMO just save up for an i5.
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I don't know. Whatever you take out of the video is yours. I will say that I enjoy the FX-8320 that I'm running at the moment, I regret not getting a 8350, but whatever.
 
Nov 21, 2014 at 1:11 AM Post #6,971 of 9,120
Well the video says Cinebench favours Intel, which I don't know (and tbh I'm quite skeptical about). But there are other means of benchmark other than Cinebench, such as 3DMark benchmarks.
 
 
http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/cpu_mainboard/amd_vishera_fx8350_piledriver_review/8 
 
3DMark Vantage (Performance / Extreme)
 
FX8350 - 25.254 / 16.615
i5-3570k - 28.629 / 17.676
 
FX8350 @ 4.8GHz - 28.099 / 17.577
i5-3570k @ 4.8GHz - 32.078 / 18.056
 
To put this into context, I had an i7-920 many years ago running at 4.2GHz and it scored 28k on the 3DMark Vantage performance cpu test. In essence, the FX-8350, AMD's 2012 CPU, despite with higher clocks can only compete with Intel's 2008 CPU.
 
There's also a 3DMark 11 there, and there's gaming benchmarks here http://www.anandtech.com/show/6396/the-vishera-review-amd-fx8350-fx8320-fx6300-and-fx4300-tested/5 
 
Not trying to attack anybody here, just trying to help Za Warudo, which was asking whether to get the FX8350 or an i5.
 
 
PS: The Vishera running at 4.8GHz would draw over 225w for the CPU alone.
 
Nov 21, 2014 at 1:29 AM Post #6,972 of 9,120
You think it'd be worth upgrading from a 6300 to the 8350 at that price point if I already have a compatible mobo?  I have a box of complete water cooling stuff that's been sitting in the corner for probably half a year.  I feel installing it on a processor that bottlenecks my gpu in every game I've ever played would be pointless.
 
Nov 21, 2014 at 1:57 AM Post #6,973 of 9,120

 
A kinda old screencap, but shows what I've been able to pull off with my own 8320. No overclock, running a Hyper 212 Evo (only the stock fan installed).
 
Having the ability to run two encodes at rather acceptable FPS and still be able to browse around, listen to music, and do what I need to is pretty cool. If I ever figure out what threads my games are running on, I imagine I can play said video game on those and isolate it, then run something like OBS or something else CPU intensive on the rest, without impacting encoding quality or FPS in game. Something you can't really on a 4 core CPU, that has no free cores/threads.
 
Nov 21, 2014 at 7:34 AM Post #6,974 of 9,120
Got a new external hard drive! Finally, some USB 3.0 goodness. They will go well with a Fractal case.
 


 

 
Nov 21, 2014 at 8:39 AM Post #6,975 of 9,120
vantt1 said:
  Got a new external hard drive! Finally, some USB 3.0 goodness. They will go well with a Fractal case.
 


 
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Whoa. That case. That looked almost exactly like what I was looking for -- practically a box, with imposing, sharp edges. But for some reason, I got a thermaltake urban something with rounded edges and windows and lights and stuff. And a fridge door. Which IMO sucks.
 
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