Quote:

muppetface said:

 
 
Religion as a man's sphere, women sucking as visionaries... come on, Mutabor. You're not putting any effort into your trolling anymore. It's too obvious.
 

Click to expand...

 
Maybe he just LOOOOOOOOOOOOVVVEEESSS men...
 

 
And I definitely agree with some of what MF says. I'm pretty sure we would have seen MORE works in general (whether artistic, feats in math, engineering, etc.) if the opportunities for both, men and women, would've been the same.

Lol. So greatness is genetically determined by sex? I have male genitalia; bask in my greatness. And this is not opinion! Surely with 7.5 billion people you can find one great woman? Perhaps greatness is limited by chromosome because this opinion is greatly and stupendously ignorant. Bravo.

@ mutobor

Yes, I just post biased opinions. Not facts like "women suck as visionaries" and "women aren't good writers."
 
Really though, I have to wonder how on earth I highly exaggerated the role of women as oracles and mystics in history, when I simply pointed out such roles existed in the first place? It was pointed out in response to the idea that allowing women into the priesthood is something new, unprecedented, and unfathomable. Exaggeration seems like a quantitative mistake, not a qualitative one.
 
@ eke: you shouldn't be too shocked at mutabor disregarding whatever suits him. He's very fond of cherrypicking arguments and oversimplifying things to the point of absurdity. Honestly, I don't take mutabor remotely seriously. He's been trolling the diary thread since the original kiteki days, and he essentially posts contrarian things in an attempt to seem controversial and edgy. I actually appreciated his efforts in the past, because the provocations were amusing. I always pictured him not as a bird, but as a performing circus bear sitting at a small desk watching The Needle Drop, a picture of Schopenhauer off to one side done in the style of a mall kiosk glamor shot.

gelocks said:

Maybe he just LOOOOOOOOOOOOVVVEEESSS men...

Click to expand...

"He hates women so he might be gay, LOL" isn't really the angle to take.

Lol. I remember the while Marxism argument in the last thread.

The funny thing is that the people who are the most biased, are the ones who freely accuse others of it.

Not facts like "women suck as visionaries" and "women aren't good writers."

Click to expand...

 
OK, name me a female visionary in any religion which is known to the world and which had more or less serious impact in the field. By a visionary I mean a person who had clear and influential message, a sage,  a teacher.
 
I didn't say that women aren't good writers. I said that we don't know really great writers among women.
 
 
 

Really though, I have to wonder how on earth I highly exaggerated the role of women as oracles and mystics in history, when I simply pointed out such roles existed in the first place? It was pointed out in response to the idea that allowing women into the priesthood is something new, unprecedented, and unfathomable.

Click to expand...

 
You may not like it but reality is that women are not welcomed in priesthood. At least in many cultures. In America it may be different but in many parts of the world women as priests are considered a weird idea. Nuns - yes, priests - no.

Ayn Rand, among others. Her principles dominate half of American politics today.

You mentioned Frankenstein as silly pop culture. Isn't it funny that a book written by a woman is now widespread and "influential" enought to become pop culture?

Also, your argument tht women werent great writers is circumstantial. Like MF said, women were second class citizens and baby factories. They've made great strides, but still have a way to go. Do you think that a woman who was afforded Aristotle's tutorship could have been great?

and he essentially posts contrarian things in an attempt to seem controversial and edgy.

Click to expand...

 
Believe it or not but your ideas will be considered highly controversial outside America. Beware when you travel overseas you will be very surprised how you sound odd to people there.

Fra

mutabor said:

Believe it or not but your ideas will be considered highly controversial outside America. Beware when you travel overseas you will be very surprised how you sound odd to people there.

Click to expand...

France? England? Australia? Germany?

Good grief man. Where do you get your information?

Ayn Rand is not known to the world. She is a regional phenomenon.

Quote:

mutabor said:

 
Believe it or not but your ideas will be considered highly controversial outside America. Beware when you travel overseas you will be very surprised how you sound odd to people there.

Click to expand...

 
Which countries? I am assuming you mean the countries that also parallel perfectly with how horribly women are treated overseas in said countries. Views of women, and treatment of women go hand in hand. 

Ah, never mind. I'm not getting banned for you

Quote:

ardgedee said:

"He hates women so he might be gay, LOL" isn't really the angle to take.

Click to expand...

 
I'm just against the extremes of feminism. It goes too far.
 
I'm wondering if you read MF's ideas attentively. They are radical. They are not just about social justice between men and women but she goes further and is trying to break gender differencies. She is trying to prove that gays and lesbians are not anomaly but a rule. She explains the majority through minority.

Quote:

mutabor said:

 
Isn't Frankenstein a pop culture? Who takes seriously this stuff?

Click to expand...

No, Frankenstein isn't pop culture. Frankenstein is a classic horror novel. One of the absolute first ones in its genre, if not the first. A lot of people take that book seriously.
 
However, did you know that the first programmer was a woman named Ada Lovelace? Would you consider programming and computer science to be serious?
 
You are obviously entitled to your opinions about everyone, but I think that you may be making a big mistake by dividing the world in male and female, if that's what you do. In my opinion, making such distinctions is a thing of the past and probably belongs to biology and social sciences more than anything else nowadays. I don't think that we ever will get past any kind of inequality between the sexes as long as we keep making distinctions between sexes.