As far as the comments regarding them being closed cans, have they even heard the denons? They are said to be the best of closed cans, competing with and as good as high end open cans.
 
Comments like veiled and laid back don't exactly stir inspiration with the 650 for me, the 650 has rolled off treble. I purchased (yet to receive) the D5000's. You said you want good treble and extended lows then go denon its fairly unique from what Ive seen in providing low extension without having a big midbass hump. Tho some still comment on the bass coming into the midrange abit...
 
Regarding the 650 and the Denon's, the 650 might lose out a bit on the all rounder roll, due to being laid back, but don't quote me on that. I want my headphones to have good attack, impact excitement!!!! But balanced frequency response.
 
 
 

Hmmmm TBH the Denons do sound closed..... They are very good closed headphones but compared to the HD650 they DO sound closed and the quality of the midrange and treble suffers because of this..... The bass on some songs on the denons is amazing and on others it is flabby and boomy sounding. Also the Sub bass on the Denons is definately better than the HD650....
 
Overall I prefer the HD650 because the treble and midrange is just so smooth and quality sounding.... Also the imaging is better...  I would prefer if they had more sub bass but you can get the bass to EQ to pretty nice levels down to about 40hz. I would say that saying the D2000 sound like an open headphone is misleading.... They sound like a very good closed headphone but they dont sound like an open headphone. Personally I would say the HD650 is a better all rounder, although the Denons definately win for electonic music etc.
 
Ideally you want a pair of HD650 and a pair of D5000 for different genres!

Quote:

nicholars said:

Hmmmm TBH the Denons do sound closed..... They are very good closed headphones but compared to the HD650 they DO sound closed and the quality of the midrange and treble suffers because of this..... The bass on some songs on the denons is amazing and on others it is flabby and boomy sounding. Also the Sub bass on the Denons is definately better than the HD650....
 
Overall I prefer the HD650 because the treble and midrange is just so smooth and quality sounding.... Also the imaging is better...  I would prefer if they had more sub bass but you can get the bass to EQ to pretty nice levels down to about 40hz. I would say that saying the D2000 sound like an open headphone is misleading.... They sound like a very good closed headphone but they dont sound like an open headphone.

Click to expand...

fair enough if you have heard them both. Just saying from what Ive read about the Denon's in general people don't complain about the mids and treble sounding closed in, besides some recession and bass interference with mid's sometimes (others not). Aftermarket earpads cure the mid, help soundstage and help bass apparently.... I have heard it said specifically that for a sealed can which with other sealed headphones has been problems, the denon's are still up there with open.
 
Regarding the bass issues mentioned I would like to learn more. Their are mods to help that also...

Well to be honest there's a raw difference between sounding closed in and having a large soundstage.  It's very hard to explain unless you've used an open headphone for a while then switch to a closed headphone.  For me, going from the DT990s which I used for months-- to the D2000, was that very same sensation.  The HD650 makes the D2000 sound the same in that regard too.  
 
However as far as actual soundstage depth, I would agree that the Denons put a lot of other closed headphones to shame.  The Denons aren't exactly purely closed, either.  They have a slot behind the ring of their frames that connect to the yokes that allows for the drivers to breathe a little bit.

Quote:

tmraven said:

Well to be honest there's a raw difference between sounding closed in and having a large soundstage.  It's very hard to explain unless you've used an open headphone for a while then switch to a closed headphone.  For me, going from the DT990s which I used for months-- to the D2000, was that very same sensation.  The HD650 makes the D2000 sound the same in that regard too.  
 
However as far as actual soundstage depth, I would agree that the Denons put a lot of other closed headphones to shame.  The Denons aren't exactly purely closed, either.  They have a slot behind the ring of their frames that connect to the yokes that allows for the drivers to breathe a little bit.

Click to expand...

Bigger ear pads are said to help soundstage with denons.  Here mentions the soundstage; http://www.headphone.com/headphones/denon-ah-d5000.php

I decided on d2k since they where pretty cheap compared to anything else.
 

congrats.

Thanks
 

The denons are nice headphones.... Make sure you do the pad mod and also EQ the treble down at 5-10khz

What pad mod?

They don't need a pad mod to me. Just get them and try them first...nor do they need reduced treble for my ears and I'm a little sensitive to bright.

The bass sounds far better with a pad mod tbh and also there is a lot of sibilance and a peak around 5-10khz
 
You dont even need to buy new pads... Just use some stuffing or similar on the current ones.... Try it and tell me the bass doesnt sound far better!

Quote:

nicholars said:

The bass sounds far better with a pad mod tbh and also there is a lot of sibilance and a peak around 5-10khz
 
You dont even need to buy new pads... Just use some stuffing or similar on the current ones.... Try it and tell me the bass doesnt sound far better!

Click to expand...

 
Ime, the overall soundstage/imaging itself improved with the stuffed pad mod (for D2000), and better imaging of the bass notes is certainly one part of the equation. While it does take a bit of effort, it was worth it for me. And if you don't like it, the mod is very much reversible.

It removes the boomy flabbyness of the bass and also makes the bass sound a lot more textured and also the sound is slightly further away so this improves the soundstage....

 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MalVeauX /img/forum/go_quote.gif
 
The Denon for me had the better range and was more fun to listen to. So again, it's all preference.
 
 
 
 
 
Very best,

Click to expand...

 
 
 
Scientific knowledge is what we choose in order to know we are choosing the correct "preference" .If a human choosers to  accept the truth or not, is a preference .I've chosen Denons as they are measurably more balanced and balance is what it all relies upon