[mochill]

My tm7 is special

 

[dwatanabe]

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YES!
 
The M6 has these "metalic" sounding highs, also IMO the sound is "thinner" , the bass is typcal bass from cheapos iems, the Bass from the 3580 goes depper and cleaner.  Both got recesed mids but the 3580 is a bit better in that aspect.   in my ears, the M6 sounds like cheap destkop speakers the 3580 sounds like a nice sounding sound system.

I agree, I've owned both for some time and I have to say that the m6 are vastly inferior to the 3580s in terms of sound. I would've returned them if they weren't good to go to the gym with, the cable is sturdy and the memory cable near the earpieces helps keep them in place while you run. The 3580 sound great but when I got the fx40s, I gave them to a friend. IMO the 3580s have more bass but the fx40s have more clarity and high extension, while the m6s pale in comparison to both with a typical cheap iem sound comparable to what you'd get bundled with a pmp.

 

[ericp10]

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Wow I feel for that Dragon2knight. Why can't guys have some open minds. I can see some fools getting banned or getting a stern warning from that thread. I have been in his shoes more times than I would like to remember so I can definitely relate. Poor guy getting bashed like that.
 
Sometimes it ain't worth sticking your neck out to tell about a product on these threads. Too many critics. The damn phone is $35. Lol. It ain't like it is a $300 phone. It is what it is.

X2 So sad how some of the trolls act on these posts. I agree.

 

[BGRoberts]

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X2 So sad how some of the trolls act on these posts. I agree.

Seems some forget this is supposed to be FUN.
~BG

 

[dwatanabe]

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Seems some forget this is supposed to be FUN.
~BG

Trolls like that are the cancer that plagues most online communities...

 

[ericp10]

Well after dragon's fiasco on the other thread (lol) I will only say that I'm still enjoying the R1 immensely, and right now it's tied with my favorite earphone under $50 (the other being the FX40).  While not forward like in the FXD80, I don't find the vocals recessed at all. But here's the thing that is making me fall in love with the R1, it has a characteristic that I've found with all dual-dynamic  earphones I've heard and dual hybrids. Each of those earphones (DDM, FXT90, AF78) have a unique layering of sound that brings out extra details in vocals, background vocals and instrumentation. The R1 is not exception. I'm hearing great details and picking up nuances in background vocals of let's say Steely Dan songs (such as Deacon Blues and Hey Nineteen). Strings have great layering in some jazz tracks I've sampled with a string quartet. Acoustic guitar has very good weight to them. I don't even have 10 hours on them and I'm quite impressed. I wouldn't say the earphone sounds like an audiophile system, but it sounds like a very good high-end system (just below audiophile like some good Onkyo components). I'm really love this sound. Actually I'm loving the sound of the R1 a tad bit more than I'm loving the sound of the Adagio III. Now the signatures are not really the same, but I'm comparing more on the bass. The bass of the III reeks with POWER! It's on the verge of being too much were there is a touch of muddiness (just a touch). This may get better  (and I believe it will), but there is where it's at right now.
 
The bass of the R1 is a couple steps behind the III, but there is that "punchy power" sound in its bass. It's really blending in with the rest of the sound spectrum quite well to my ears. Nice micro details that are pushing toward the FXT90 (not quite there but heading there with additional burn-in). This doesn't sound like the FXT90 though. More 3-Dish than the FXT90. So I was thinking about why some of the other R1  owners don't hear the detailed sound, more forward vocals, etc. My theory is that some of our members don't realize that all earphones are worn the same way. Example, some earphones are to be worn in a shallow way to get the optimum sound out of them (the AF78 is a perfect example). Other earphones must be pushed deep into the for the best sound (like with customs). Well, the R1 is one of those that need an deep insertion. The nozzle is long enough and demands it. Oh, someone asked about the size of the nozzle. Nozzle is somewhere between the size of the W4/SE535 and the FX40. In other words, it's about the diameter of the GR07. So really wide-bore tips won't work, but really tight ones won't work either. The Sony Hybrids should work, but I think the Auveos would be too wide. Actually the stock tips work well (especially the double-flange). But what I have settled on is a long large white Monster foam hybrid. Tames the bass some and pushes it close to (dare I say) a balanced sound. lol... But I wouldn't call the earphones balanced. Close with the right tips, but not quite (yet). And I'm not saying dragon is wrong though. WE ALL HEAR DIFFERENTLY! I'm REALLY liking the R1's sound signature (if that's not coming across yet). 

 

[dwatanabe]

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Well after dragon's fiasco on the other thread (lol) I will only say that I'm still enjoying the R1 immensely, and right now it's tied with my favorite earphone under $50 (the other being the FX40).  While not forward like in the FXD80, I don't find the vocals recessed at all. But here's the thing that is making me fall in love with the R1, it has a characteristic that I've found with all dual-dynamic  earphones I've heard and dual hybrids. Each of those earphones (DDM, FXT90, AF78) have a unique layering of sound that brings out extra details in vocals, background vocals and instrumentation. The R1 is not exception. I'm hearing great details and picking up nuances in background vocals of let's say Steely Dan songs (such as Deacon Blues and Hey Nineteen). Strings have great layering in some jazz tracks I've sampled with a string quartet. Acoustic guitar has very good weight to them. I don't even have 10 hours on them and I'm quite impressed. I wouldn't say the earphone sounds like an audiophile system, but it sounds like a very good high-end system (just below audiophile like some good Onkyo components). I'm really love this sound. Actually I'm loving the sound of the R1 a tad bit more than I'm loving the sound of the Adagio III. Now the signatures are not really the same, but I'm comparing more on the bass. The bass of the III reeks with POWER! It's on the verge of being too much were there is a touch of muddiness (just a touch). This may get better  (and I believe it will), but there is where it's at right now.
 
The bass of the R1 is a couple steps behind the III, but there is that "punchy power" sound in its bass. It's really blending in with the rest of the sound spectrum quite well to my ears. Nice micro details that are pushing toward the FXT90 (not quite there but heading there with additional burn-in). This doesn't sound like the FXT90 though. More 3-Dish than the FXT90. So I was thinking about why some of the other R1  owners don't hear the detailed sound, more forward vocals, etc. My theory is that some of our members don't realize that all earphones are worn the same way. Example, some earphones are to be worn in a shallow way to get the optimum sound out of them (the AF78 is a perfect example). Other earphones must be pushed deep into the for the best sound (like with customs). Well, the R1 is one of those that need an deep insertion. The nozzle is long enough and demands it. Oh, someone asked about the size of the nozzle. Nozzle is somewhere between the size of the W4/SE535 and the FX40. In other words, it's about the diameter of the GR07. So really wide-bore tips won't work, but really tight ones won't work either. The Sony Hybrids should work, but I think the Auveos would be too wide. Actually the stock tips work well (especially the double-flange). But what I have settled on is a long large white Monster foam hybrid. Tames the bass some and pushes it close to (dare I say) a balanced sound. lol... But I wouldn't call the earphones balanced. Close with the right tips, but not quite (yet). And I'm not saying dragon is wrong though. WE ALL HEAR DIFFERENTLY! I'm REALLY liking the R1's sound signature (if that's not coming across yet). 

Everyone's ears are different so tip choices do make a huge difference, some people just assume that if they are in, they are in but you always gotta see that you have the right tips for your ears or hearing aids and high end iems would all use cookie cutter rubber dome tips. Everyone's ears are so vastly different that I don't think anybody perceives sound the same way. I really really wanna try these but i can't justify getting them when i have 3 iems right now, one of them being the fx40 which i am very happy with. How would you compare them to re zeroes?

 

[ericp10]

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Everyone's ears are different so tip choices do make a huge difference, some people just assume that if they are in, they are in but you always gotta see that you have the right tips for your ears or hearing aids and high end iems would all use cookie cutter rubber dome tips. Everyone's ears are so vastly different that I don't think anybody perceives sound the same way. I really really wanna try these but i can't justify getting them when i have 3 iems right now, one of them being the fx40 which i am very happy with. How would you compare them to re zeroes?

 
 
I've never heard the Re Zeroes.

 

[Zelda]

very nice write up eric! 

how is isolation? and any driver flex noticed?

 

[ericp10]

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very nice write up eric! 

how is isolation? and any driver flex noticed?

 
 
I haven't heard any driver flex, Zeida, and no microphonics in the cord. And thank you. I'm really liking them. Nice fun earphone. Nice details but it's not analytical.

 

[Dsnuts]

Nice impression Eric. I am thinking since the other thread is somewhat tainted maybe we should put this one as a headliner. I will get mines soon as well. I will switch out the FAD 3s with these R1s for a thread head liner..

 

[ericp10]

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Nice impression Eric. I am thinking since the other thread is somewhat tainted maybe we should put this one as a headliner. I will get mines soon as well. I will switch out the FAD 3s with these R1s for a thread head liner..

 
 
X2

 

[waynes world]

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Nice impression Eric.

 
Agreed - thanks. Looking forward to them!

 

[Dsnuts]

Interesting I just read this on ClieOS review of the XBA-1 and the XBA-4.
 
p/s: Sony just announced last month (which is just about a year after the original XBA announcement) about the new addition to the XBA series, namely the XBA-10, XBA-20, XBA-30 and XBA-40. The spec and MSRP seem to be identical to their corresponding original XBA-# models and most of the changes look to be mainly superficial or cosmetic at this point. One early impression from the web does suggest that the XBA-40 is better sounding than XBA-4, but it is still not enough to say anything in certainty for now.
Edited by ClieOS - 10/16/12 at 1:24pm
 
What does this mean? Expect blowouts of the XBA earphones when these newer ones come out.

 

[Prakhar]

Oh Dsnuts I think Anakchan has a review of the Sony MDR-1R up...