Sennheiser HD 598 Impressions Thread
Oct 30, 2011 at 2:57 PM Post #631 of 7,535
Nope, didn't receive it yet, got to listen to it recently and enjoyed it but haven't posted any review yet :)
 
Not sure if anyone wants to read my reviews anymore after that LCD2 review I posted...darn Biohazard Zombie outbreak that was...Idk, we'll see :p
 
Oct 30, 2011 at 3:10 PM Post #633 of 7,535


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Nope, didn't receive it yet, got to listen to it recently and enjoyed it but haven't posted any review yet :)
 
Not sure if anyone wants to read my reviews anymore after that LCD2 review I posted...darn Biohazard Zombie outbreak that was...Idk, we'll see :p

Hey now, I bought the 598 because of YOU! Now you've dumped it.  Sad jackass.
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Well, I got rid of the rev 1 after about a month this past summer.  If you're skeered to post an HE300 review, you could always PM(S) me.
 

 
 
 
Oct 30, 2011 at 3:17 PM Post #634 of 7,535
Sure, I've sent it in a PM to you, enjoy!   The sheer density of hate mail I received was staggering...absurdly so.  Rofl.  It is definitely a great read and showcases users needs to fit in and provide sustenance for their Ego...that whole "Jump On the Bang Wagon" thing as I call it.  
 
User 1 misquotes me or makes it seems like I've said something I did not, perhaps saying I said "blue" when I actually said "Yellow".  Then user 2-50 agree with user 1 due to an inability to read or use the search function.  Quite funny, the amount of trolls in there is gargantuan.  
 
Back on topic though, the stock adapter piece that comes with the HD 598 is something you want to avoid, mine was faulty and caused sparks between the audio input on my source and the body of the adapter itself.  Loud, sudden popping noises occurred often and resulted in a blown HD 598. So, a word of caution, not all the adapters are bad, some are.  Be careful, a few other users experienced the very same thing with that 1/4 to 1/8 adapter they include in the HD 598 box
 
 
 
Oct 30, 2011 at 3:43 PM Post #635 of 7,535
  
 
Back on topic though, the stock adapter piece that comes with the HD 598 is something you want to avoid, mine was faulty and caused sparks between the audio input on my source and the body of the adapter itself.  Loud, sudden popping noises occurred often and resulted in a blown HD 598. So, a word of caution, not all the adapters are bad, some are.  Be careful, a few other users experienced the very same thing with that 1/4 to 1/8 adapter they include in the HD 598 box
 
 


Thanks for the heads up.  I haven't used it yet nor did I really intend to.  Got a Grado adaptor that works just fine for those few times I use the Memorex discman/Total Airhead combo, which, btw, works the 598 just fine.
 
 
Oct 30, 2011 at 4:31 PM Post #636 of 7,535
I never thought the upgrade bug would hit me so fast, but now I'm dying to try a Xonar Essence STX with these headphones. I'm having a hard time justifying the cost without having higher impedance headphones, though...
 
Oct 30, 2011 at 4:35 PM Post #637 of 7,535
Thanks for the link. I read your early posts and some of the responses, and look forward to spending more time reading through the whole thing.
 
Right off the top of my head, I have a few comments (warning, this may ramble on a bit as I tend to do this off the cuff and this box won't let me edit as a go so this is just spewing out of my brain as I type):
 
First of all, I agree with your observations and understand completely.
 
I have been an audiophile since my dad gave me my first "hi-fi" system for my 6th birthday. It was a Heathkit home-built tube amp, Dual belt drive TT, and Ampex single driver speakers. I loved it - played records on it for hours at a time. I had hand-me-down classical music albums (Symphonie Fantastique, Scheherazade, and some baroque trumpet were my favorites) from my dad and my own selection of Sesame Street, Mr. Rogers, and Chitty Chitty Bang Bang.
 
I loved the hobby all through my 20's and bought and sold a lot of gear over those years. Then I got out of the hobby for a while in my 30's when family and career took precedence. I'm back in the hobby now but with a more modest, playful, and I think realistic attitude towards it.
 
I seek value in everything I buy. If I give myself a budget of $1000 to buy something, I want $2000 worth of performance. If I find one product that offers $2000 worth of performance for $1000 and another that offers $1800 worth of performance but only costs $300, I'll spend the $300. This is overly simplified, but basically what I'm saying is that I respect the law of diminishing returns and always seek the optimum price:performance ratio. And it doesn't matter how much money we're talking about. Whether I'm looking at a new car or a bag of pretzels, it's all about the bang-for-the-buck. In it's most simplest terms, for me, the quest to get the most for the least has replaced the quest to get the most I can afford (if that makes sense). It's all about the challenge. If it costs me $3000 to get the most for the least, then that's what I'll spend. If it only costs $30, then that's what I'll spend.
 
We all have to draw our own personal line on where the price:performance ratio dips below our comfort zone. For me, I came to the conclusion that the "top of the middle" is usually my sweet spot. It's the spot where I believe most of the technology from the high-end stuff has trickled down, yet the price is still targeted at the masses. When I was shopping for loudspeakers a couple of years ago, I fell in love with a pair of Revel Studio2 speakers I heard in a demo room. Beautiful sound, fantastic appearance/build - I was blown away. Unfortunately, they cost $16,000. I decided to try and find a pair of speakers that would make me just as happy for a lot less money. After a lot of research and visiting stores to demo speakers (which is a big part of the fun of the hobby!), I decided on the Definitive Technology Mythos ST. They don't sound quite as liquid as the Revels and aren't nearly as pretty, but they sound extremely good, are actually more flexible to set up, and were "only" $2000 for the pair. I think the Revels vs. the Def Techs have a lot in common with your Ultrasone vs. Sennheiser comparison. It certainly mirrors the LCD-2 vs. HD 600 comparison I made recently!
 
Because people get so passionate about their hobbies, it's no surprise that not everyone was sympathetic to your opinion. Think about all the audiophiles that have paid $300/ft for speaker wire. Do they want to undergo a DBT to see if their speakers sound better with lamp cord? No. And if they did, they would hear a difference because they are expecting (and desperately hoping) to hear a difference. Can a human being hear the difference between a 32 bit DAC and a 24 bit DAC? Some people will argue to their death that they can. Maybe they can, and if they can afford it, then it's worth thousands of dollars for them to have one. Me? I can't tell a 16/44.1 CD from a 24/192 DVD-A recording of the same album (assuming the same master). A lot of times, people are seeking something better/different simply out of boredom.  When you've owned something for a while, you start to think maybe it's time for something else. Something better, or maybe just different. The media is constantly bombarding us with incentives and temptation to replace what we have. And as we all know, once you get something better, everything else in your chain needs to be upgraded too to "get the most from it." It's just insane!
 
I remember a few weeks ago, I was reading a forum where somebody mentioned downloading a high-rez album from HDTracks. I innocently asked a question to the effect of, "I understand the value of having a 24 bit file of a recording created in a 24 bit digital studio, but how does an analog album recorded in the 1970's sound better in 24 bit than 16 bit?" Nobody would answer. They simply called me a troll.
 
Personally, once I decided I didn't want or need TOTL gear and became comfortable with finding the best bang-for-the-buck, I became happy with just relaxing and enjoying my music instead of always wondering if that $1400 headphone would make the bass drum on Track 2 (Dreams)  of my Fleetwood Mac Rumours CD sound a little punchier than it does with my $270 headphones.
 
I agree with one comment someone made on your thread that maybe you are burned out. Maybe you need to take a break from the hobby for a while. I know I've been really enjoying it since I jumped back in.
 
Oct 30, 2011 at 4:41 PM Post #638 of 7,535
I was the guy who said I was burned out :D 
 
Edit:  Was coaxed by my friends at a Halloween bash tonight to skip the He300 and aim for the He500 instead.  I think it might be a wiser option for me right now anyway.  I know myself too well, as I did enjoy the HE 500 very much while I had it, I will definitely long for it if I get the HE300.  I am just so weak willed when it comes to audio :D
 
 
 
 
 
Oct 30, 2011 at 9:20 PM Post #639 of 7,535


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I was the guy who said I was burned out :D 
 
Edit:  Was coaxed by my friends at a Halloween bash tonight to skip the He300 and aim for the He500 instead.  I think it might be a wiser option for me right now anyway.  I know myself too well, as I did enjoy the HE 500 very much while I had it, I will definitely long for it if I get the HE300.  I am just so weak willed when it comes to audio :D
 
 
 
 


Have you listened to the Koss Porta Pro?
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BTW, I made it to page 15 of your thread so far...
 
Oct 30, 2011 at 9:57 PM Post #640 of 7,535


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I was the guy who said I was burned out :D 
 
Edit:  Was coaxed by my friends at a Halloween bash tonight to skip the He300 and aim for the He500 instead.  I think it might be a wiser option for me right now anyway.  I know myself too well, as I did enjoy the HE 500 very much while I had it, I will definitely long for it if I get the HE300.  I am just so weak willed when it comes to audio :D
 
 
 
 


The HE500 is great and sounds great with my PPAv2 amp :) It definitely gets the most head time of all my gear right now.
 
 
Oct 30, 2011 at 10:01 PM Post #641 of 7,535


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That's crazy. I can't imagine anyone paying that much for them. IMO, they are a terrific headphone under $200, but at $250 they are fighting above their weight class.



I agree. I got the Audio Technica's recently for $160 off of amazon and the more I listen to them, the more I start to think that they just might be better than the HD 598. Thats not to say that the HD 598 is a bad headphone by any means, its a wonderful set of cans, but the law of diminishing returns when you consider the price comes into play. The only thing that should drive the HD 598 to $200+ price points is if demand is outstripping supply, which I doubt is the case.
 
Oct 30, 2011 at 10:07 PM Post #642 of 7,535
$250 is going into the level of the HD600, K701, DT880, etc. I bought the DT880 for aruond $280 shipped new so in the used market these headphones go down to close to $200 or so.
 
Nov 1, 2011 at 1:22 AM Post #643 of 7,535
At the risk of sounding like a crazy person, I suddenly feel like buying "dark" headphones. If I get a winter job, I'll be getting an HD650 with an Essence STX.
 
So yeah, these are my dead-end bright headphones. Yeah. Last upgrade, though. I promise. 
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Nov 1, 2011 at 1:23 AM Post #644 of 7,535
Nah. You've got HD 800s to buy before you're done with bright. :D
 
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At the risk of sounding like a crazy person, I suddenly feel like buying "dark" headphones. If I get a winter job, I'll be getting an HD650 with an Essence STX.
 
So yeah, these are my dead-end bright headphones. Yeah. Last upgrade, though. I promise. 
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Nov 16, 2011 at 12:36 AM Post #645 of 7,535
copy pasted from Headfonia's comment..
 
".........................Now interestingly if you happen to have a $2,000 headphone amp, the HD598 scales up better than the HD600.. and again I suspect that's some of the things Sennheiser engineers have learned over the time which they didn't quite have when they designed the HD600. But for most people, I doubt they'll be pairing the HD598 with a $2K amp. "
http://www.headfonia.com/the-sennheiser-trio-hd580-hd600-hd650/ at the comments section
 
anyone has an uber amp and hd600 to test this?? i thought before the 598 don't improve much from amping while hd600 scale very well.. i find his comments hard to believe...
 

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