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post #7111 of 9053
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Originally Posted by Mrtn77 View Post

Ah, no. The loud, continuous ringing tone that wakes me up at four in the morning is definitely not "my own ears". Good for you that you've never experienced real tinnitus, but you're very, very wrong.

I was amazed to learn that some people had tinnitus do extreme that others could actually hear it.

 

I wasn't referring to you.  I was talking to James.

post #7112 of 9053
And James was wondering whether his slight buzz was tinnitus. By way of your own post I was answering it's not.
Once you start to suffer from tinnitus, you know it.
post #7113 of 9053
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Originally Posted by Mrtn77 View Post

I was amazed to learn that some people had tinnitus do extreme that others could actually hear it.

 

 

:blink:

 

Care to share where you learned such a thing?


Edited by Eee Pee - 3/20/14 at 3:58pm
post #7114 of 9053
It's called objective tinnitus, you'll find plenty of information on Google or elsewhere. My own reading was done in French, might not be of much use to you.
post #7115 of 9053
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

Wow, that is high. Definitely hard to identify at that freq.

I use my Android smartphone and trusty HD600 with the following apps:

FuncGen and SoundForm.

There's also a "Test Your Hearing" app.

post #7116 of 9053
I've just taken the test to find out my frequency but I can't tell which one.none seem to match. My 'buzz ' is almost a distant faint white noise that feels like my ears are trying hard to listen for something. Sounds stupid I know but I don't know how to describe it. It's like very low level noise/tape hiss. The frequencies change in volume slightly especially at 8,150 ish (sounds quiet)but I put that down to the headphone frequency response?
post #7117 of 9053
Maybe I'm totally deaf! I'm currently trying to decide / work out which I prefer...... HD600 vs HD800. It's really tough . It should be an easy win for the 800s but the 600s do everything so well, that slightly laid back warm tone just sounds so good to my ears! If anything it's the first time I would say actually the 800s are slightly bright and maybe the 600s are the neutral ones! I just don't know anymore :/
post #7118 of 9053
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Originally Posted by Mrtn77 View Post

Ah, no. The loud, continuous ringing tone that wakes me up at four in the morning is definitely not "my own ears". Good for you that you've never experienced real tinnitus, but you're very, very wrong.

I was amazed to learn that some people had tinnitus do extreme that others could actually hear it.

 

Yes tinnitus is real as is objective tinnitus.

 

Objective tinnitus, however, is not an "extreme" version of subjective tinnitus.

Objective tinnitus often has a clear cause(vascular issues for example) and may be curable.

 

Subjective tinnitus, like what I have, is far more common and is seldom curable.

It also is most commonly caused by noise-induced hearing loss.

Incidentally, despite being real to those who have it, subjective tinnitus is not audible to anyone else no matter how loud it is.

 

Objective tinnitus doesn't exactly announce itself like a siren to other people either.

It takes specialized medical gear for someone other than the subject to hear it.

post #7119 of 9053

Do you think HD 600s require burning-in?

 

I finally got my HD 600s which were on back order on the razordog website, who appears to have the best US price. I'd still do not have my DAC or headphone amplifier both coming from China, but my headphones have finally arrived.

 

 

I got the idea that I wanted audiophile grade headphone equipment when equalizing a headset according to the dictates of these forums my headset suddenly gave me the best sound I have ever heard from electronic recorded sound. So the truly audiophile sound experience still awaits me but already my HD 600s are delivering even much better sound that my headset did. The only thing I have to power it is a $10 soundcard I bought on eBay to restore my computer sound when it stop working. Perhaps I lucked out since even though the HD 600s are 300 ohms my $10 soundcard is putting out enough power to usually sound good at 75% maximum volume.

 

 

So my question now is do my headphones need burning in? If so how should I do it? I have read elsewhere in these forums that HD 600s do not require burning-in, but since I have been following the people speaking on this thread I value your opinion so what do you all think? Should I start burning them in now even with my relatively low-quality source, or is burning-in  just not required on HD 600s?

post #7120 of 9053
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Originally Posted by bbmiller View Post
 

Do you think HD 600s require burning-in?

 

I finally got my HD 600s which were on back order on the razordog website, who appears to have the best US price. I'd still do not have my DAC or headphone amplifier both coming from China, but my headphones have finally arrived.

 

 

I got the idea that I wanted audiophile grade headphone equipment when equalizing a headset according to the dictates of these forums my headset suddenly gave me the best sound I have ever heard from electronic recorded sound. So the truly audiophile sound experience still awaits me but already my HD 600s are delivering even much better sound that my headset did. The only thing I have to power it is a $10 soundcard I bought on eBay to restore my computer sound when it stop working. Perhaps I lucked out since even though the HD 600s are 300 ohms my $10 soundcard is putting out enough power to usually sound good at 75% maximum volume.

 

 

So my question now is do my headphones need burning in? If so how should I do it? I have read elsewhere in these forums that HD 600s do not require burning-in, but since I have been following the people speaking on this thread I value your opinion so what do you all think? Should I start burning them in now even with my relatively low-quality source, or is burning-in  just not required on HD 600s?

Best way:

Put em on and start listening.

Works like a charm....

post #7121 of 9053
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Originally Posted by perhapss View Post
 

Best way:

Put em on and start listening.

Works like a charm....

This definitely

 

bbmiller - have a read of this.  It is rather enlightening regarding burn-in (http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/measurement-and-audibility-headphone-break)

 

Make sure you read the full article - and especially the conclusions etc on page 4.  I particularly love this bit ......

 

Quote:
 

Conclusions
Have I shown that break-in exists? No. I wish I could say the slowly descending IMD products is clear evidence ... but it's not. Who knows what that measurement represents. I do think, however, that if break-in is measurable, it would be this type of measurement that would show it. I'm pretty happy something showed up at all.

Have I shown that break-in doesn't exist and is not measurable? No. The slight changes around 9kHz on the CSD plots, and the significant change in IMD products over time do indicate that something is happening, and happening in a way that seems to me to be properly indicative of the things I've heard with break-in effects. I think the nay-sayers need to acknowledge something might be happening here.

The one thing I think I have proved, however, is that if break-in does exist, it is not a large effect. When people talk about night and day changes in headphones with break-in, they are exaggerating. This data clearly shows that the AKG Q701 --- a headphone widely believed to change markedly with break-in --- does not change much much over time.

My hiking boots break-in; my sneakers break-in, too. But my hiking boots aren't going to turn into sneakers over time. This idea that you simply must let headphones break-in before you know what they are going to sound like is a myth. And this data busts it.

 

<SNIP>

 

Until then, you can unbox you new headphones and have a listen without angst. You'll be hearing pretty much how they will forever sound. If you notice they're a bit irritating in the mid-treble, you might find that settles out somewhat with use and the headphones may deliver a mildly more pleasant listening experience.

If you do want to break-in your cans, I suggest pink noise at a slightly louder than normal listening level. If you don't have a pink noise track, just play music. If they sound lousy out of the box, but they start sounding a lot better as you listen to them over time, it's your amazingly versatile brain figuring out how to cope with the world.

The miracle is in your head ... not in the headphones.

post #7122 of 9053

I've recently taken my HD-600s ouside (i.e. walking in the streets) and have been amazed by the result.  Does anyone else do this?

 

(I've started a thread in the Portable Headphones forum on this, feel free to cime in...)

post #7123 of 9053
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Originally Posted by James-uk View Post

Maybe I'm totally deaf! I'm currently trying to decide / work out which I prefer...... HD600 vs HD800. It's really tough . It should be an easy win for the 800s but the 600s do everything so well, that slightly laid back warm tone just sounds so good to my ears! If anything it's the first time I would say actually the 800s are slightly bright and maybe the 600s are the neutral ones! I just don't know anymore :/

James, you should go with what sounds best to you.

post #7124 of 9053
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Originally Posted by Brooko View Post
 

This definitely

 

bbmiller - have a read of this.  It is rather enlightening regarding burn-in (http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/measurement-and-audibility-headphone-break)

 

Make sure you read the full article - and especially the conclusions etc on page 4.  I particularly love this bit ......

 

Whew, for a moment I thought that burning in or having used my HD600's over time would cause them to turn into sneakers:D

post #7125 of 9053
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

Whew, for a moment I thought that burning in or having used my HD600's over time would cause them to turn into sneakers:D

Mine turned into hikers. :tongue_smile:

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