[lee730]

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the fit on mine is very good, i love it, universal never been comfortable for me.

Guess you've never tried a good universal or good tips. I generally find universal to be more comfortable across the board. Now that I'm ordering an SE5 Way that may change since I love silicone. I am not a fan of hard acrylic touching the inside of my ears at all. I always know they are there. So I don't really consider that comfortable.

 

[lin0003]

Guess you've never tried a good universal or good tips. I generally find universal to be more comfortable across the board. Now that I'm ordering an SE5 Way that may change since I love silicone. I am not a fan of hard acrylic touching the inside of my ears at all. I always know they are there. So I don't really consider that comfortable.

Same here. The comfort of a custom is waaaay overrated IMO. I find universals to be much more comfortable.

 

[Jazzyfi]

Try silicon IEM. It will change your opinion. SE5 is the most comfortable custom I've tried. Way better than any custom or universal I own. It beats Westone with heat sensitive tips and UM easily.
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Same here. The comfort of a custom is waaaay overrated IMO. I find universals to be much more comfortable.

 

[lin0003]

Try silicon IEM. It will change your opinion. SE5 is the most comfortable custom I've tried. Way better than any custom or universal I own. It beats Westone with heat sensitive tips and UM easily.

I might, but I remove and put in my customs a lot and I heard that silicone ones are a bit harder to do that with compared to acrylic ones.

 

[Jazzyfi]

Nope. Easier. It's way more flexible so you can put it in and out easily.
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I might, but I remove and put in my customs a lot and I heard that silicone ones are a bit harder to do that with compared to acrylic ones.

 

[Mimouille]

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Guess you've never tried a good universal or good tips. I generally find universal to be more comfortable across the board. Now that I'm ordering an SE5 Way that may change since I love silicone. I am not a fan of hard acrylic touching the inside of my ears at all. I always know they are there. So I don't really consider that comfortable.

 
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Same here. The comfort of a custom is waaaay overrated IMO. I find universals to be much more comfortable.

 I am really sorry guys, but I really do not ,understand why we are having this argument again. No two pairs of ears are alike and people have different sensitivities. Do we all like to wear the same type of underwear?
 
It is almost impossible to generalize on that topic. To say that the comfort of customs is overrated is basing an affirmation on personal experience. Other parameters have to be taken into account. First and foremost is the quality of impressions. If they are good, the customs should be comfortable unless you just do not like to have something that deep in you ears.
 
All my ciems are very comfortable, silicone even more so than acrylic. Some of my universals are comfortable, the best being the SD3 in that regards. But I almost always prefer the fit of customs. If someones thinks the opposite, well fine, but please do not make you case a general rule...
 
Finally, do not forget that different CIEM  makers have different techniques. For instance Fitear has a shallow fit and is reputed much more comfortable than other acrylic ciems.

 

[Mimouille]

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Nope. Easier. It's way more flexible so you can put it in and out easily.

Once again...debatable. My acrylic are easier. But silicone are not hard to put in either...

 

[lin0003]

Nope. Easier. It's way more flexible so you can put it in and out easily.

I might have to try the SE5 sometime...

 

[Mimouille]

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I might have to try the SE5 sometime...

A 1.6K$ try

 

[lin0003]

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A 1.6K$ try

Yeah lol. Might try it one day when I have the money. 

 

[lee730]

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 I am really sorry guys, but I really do not ,understand why we are having this argument again. No two pairs of ears are alike and people have different sensitivities. Do we all like to wear the same type of underwear?
 
It is almost impossible to generalize on that topic. To say that the comfort of customs is overrated is basing an affirmation on personal experience. Other parameters have to be taken into account. First and foremost is the quality of impressions. If they are good, the customs should be comfortable unless you just do not like to have something that deep in you ears.
 
All my ciems are very comfortable, silicone even more so than acrylic. Some of my universals are comfortable, the best being the SD3 in that regards. But I almost always prefer the fit of customs. If someones thinks the opposite, well fine, but please do not make you case a general rule...
 
Finally, do not forget that different CIEM  makers have different techniques. For instance Fitear has a shallow fit and is reputed much more comfortable than other acrylic ciems.

 
You are right. It is more so based on personal preference. Even though my 8As were comfortable they die not offer the same comfort as Universal IEMs do for me. To be honest I'm not even sure if I've ever fallen asleep with them in. The fact that my entire ear canal is filled makes it hard for me to forget they are their. While it is comfortable as in not giving me pain, it's not comfortable in the fact that I would forget I am wearing them. It more so feels stuffed. With a universal its mainly the silicone tip itself touching the inside of my ears which for me feels much more comfortable than hard acrylic touching the inside. Still I think it is misleading to say that Custom IEMs are superior in terms of fit and comfort. Because it is really quite the contrary to that. A large number of people (if not most) have fit issues with CIEM and end up either sending them in for a refit or refits. Or just living with the faults as is. It is extremely rare as a matter of fact for people to get a perfect fit the first time around without there being some sort of anomalies regarding fit.

 

[Jazzyfi]

I think the bottle neck is the audiologist. If they make a good impression I'm sure it will be comfortable. The comfortability can already be felt during the impression. When the silicon is injected in your ear it should be comfortable, if it's not, redo that until you get a nice comfortable feeling and a good isolation. I have (had) 4 CIEM and all of them are more comfortable than a universal, though TSX-400 tips comes quite close to my UM. Up to now: SE5 > Westone ES5/ES3x > UM.
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You are right. It is more so based on personal preference. Even though my 8As were comfortable they die not offer the same comfort as Universal IEMs do for me. To be honest I'm not even sure if I've ever fallen asleep with them in. The fact that my entire ear canal is filled makes it hard for me to forget they are their. While it is comfortable as in not giving me pain, it's not comfortable in the fact that I would forget I am wearing them. It more so feels stuffed. With a universal its mainly the silicone tip itself touching the inside of my ears which for me feels much more comfortable than hard acrylic touching the inside. Still I think it is misleading to say that Custom IEMs are superior in terms of fit and comfort. Because it is really quite the contrary to that. A large number of people (if not most) have fit issues with CIEM and end up either sending them in for a refit or refits. Or just living with the faults as is. It is extremely rare as a matter of fact for people to get a perfect fit the first time around without there being some sort of anomalies regarding fit.

 

[Shini44]

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I am really sorry guys, but I really do not ,understand why we are having this argument again. No two pairs of ears are alike and people have different sensitivities. Do we all like to wear the same type of underwear? etc...

+1, also in the end we want a better sound , i don't think that any IEM can sound better than UM Miracle, else the CIEM will be just + isolation and thats all.

 

I think the bottle neck is the audiologist. If they make a good impression I'm sure it will be comfortable. etc...

my CIEM were perfect from the 1st time, thanks to the HQ silicon that i used, it was from  siemens , i made my impressions in Dubai. i saw many impressions in this thread yet i didn't see a better quality than  siemens, in fact some of the impressions were more like chewed strawberry gum. 

 

[LarsHP]

My impressions obviously was good and I didn't need a refit.
My outer ear canal has an oval shape, which makes all my universals uncomfortable. My Miracle shells are much, much more comfortable because of the shape of my ear canals. Also, seal is perfect, while seal usually is difficult and uncomfortable with universals.

I agree that you feel the shell going deeper in the ear canal, but it is not uncomfortable (to me).

 

[Jazzyfi]

Yeah, better pay more for a good audiologist than regretting later about bad fits.

 
my CIEM were perfect from the 1st time, thanks to the HQ silicon that i used, it was from  siemens , i made my impressions in Dubai. i saw many impressions in this thread yet i didn't see a better quality than  siemens, in fact some of the impressions were more like chewed strawberry gum.