Why is it that CIEM manufacturers tend to sell their IEMs with inferior cables? If the cable contributes to the sound, wouldn't they want it to sound as best as possible?

ljokerl said:

   
I was under the impression that all of the Flat-4 sets are different - Sui, Nami, Kuro, etc - see the release thread here: http://www.head-fi.org/t/676902/ocharaku-flat4-nami-th-f4n
 
 
Sorry, never even heard of it before.

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Hi Joker,
 
 
I had the pleasure to listen to the Kaedes and now own the Kuros. Also, own the Sony EX1000. After reading your review of the Nami I'm more of the impression that each of the Ocharaku's iems do change in some aspects.
 
The Kaedes were really a jewel I couldn't afford to keep. Althought I almost paid 3 times the price of the Sony EX1000 still did not expect them to sound that good. Noticeably deeper soundstage although just a tad narrower on the horizontal plane. They retained the same bass quality but leaner and a tad faster, with the extra quantity on the higher bass notes that highly contribute to their more fun sound signature. Sweeter mids although just a bit more behind compared to bass and treble, still more detailed. Extremely detailed and non-fatiguing on the highs. A good step forward from the already excellent highs of the EX1000. And last but not least, a timbre to die for even compared to the Sony's which are known for their excellence in this department.
 
And finally the Kuros was even more unexpected. They are the closest iems I've found to the EX1000. In contrast to the Kaedes they had a deeper bottom end and curiously a more forward mid. Maybe the wooden part of the housing of the Kaedes contributes on pulling the mids. They keep the same soundstage depth while equaling this time the EX1000 on width; and that was unexpected. Upper mids/lower highs exhibit almost the same detail resolution to the Kaedes. I would comfortably say that the Kuros are 9.5/10 of the Kaedes and both a step above the Sonys.
 
Having the Kuros and the Sony at the same time I feel the former is the technically better iem taking in consideration resolving capabilities, extension on both ends and soundstage representation. But, at the very last everything depends on personal taste.
 
Have been waiting for long for a review of one of the Ocharaku's family of IEMs. Reading over the web was of the impression that the NAMIs were an Olasonic manufactured version of the Kuros and was expecting a higher rate on sound quality alone compared to the EX1000. By the way I still love the Sonys to the point that I purchased them for the second time after initially selling them.
 
BTW, thank you for you huge contribution to this forum
 
Update:
Re-purchased the Kaedes and most say that ear memory is not as good as I thought. In fact the Kaedes are a step ahead in resolution in every frequency range. Same soundstage but better instrument separation especially noticeable on the high frequencies. Better tonality, easily identifiable in acoustic instruments and warmer (more real) vocals.
 
I would be very curious of a review from Joker. I guess it would be difficult for him to get a pair.

suman134 said:

  does the brainwavz b2 needs an amp ? should i buy it , i already have an ety er-4p ?

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I wouldn't buy the Brainwavz if I already had an ER4P. 

ljokerl said:

 
I wouldn't buy the Brainwavz if I already had an ER4P. 

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    what about fidelio s2 ? i want something under $150 , with well extended spectrum , nice bass with speed and some punch , good mids , and present highs with some sound stage , you can say something like ue600 but with more detail and a bit more bass .
    im buying 2 , re-400 is all in , im getting it for sure , i just want one more . and it has to be available in usa .

suman134 said:

    what about fidelio s2 ? i want something under $150 , with well extended spectrum , nice bass with speed and some punch , good mids , and present highs with some sound stage , you can say something like ue600 but with more detail and a bit more bass .
    im buying 2 , re-400 is all in , im getting it for sure , i just want one more . and it has to be available in usa .

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The S2 has nice speed, but it doesn't have a huge lot when it comes to bass amount. It does have everything else, very clear mids, and sparkling highs, with a large soundstage due to it being semi-open.

It doesn't need an amp, but it scales very well with one.

exesteils said:

The S2 has nice speed, but it doesn't have a huge lot when it comes to bass amount. It does have everything else, very clear mids, and sparkling highs, with a large soundstage due to it being semi-open.

It doesn't need an amp, but it scales very well with one.

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   i got no problem for spark , but i dont want peaks . have you tired ue600 , i just want some more detail and a bit more bass .

Maybe joker can comment on the new Philips TX2 if he has already received them from Tyll.

Can anyone comment on the Westone UM 30 Pro

suman134 said:

   
    what about fidelio s2 ? i want something under $150 , with well extended spectrum , nice bass with speed and some punch , good mids , and present highs with some sound stage , you can say something like ue600 but with more detail and a bit more bass .
    im buying 2 , re-400 is all in , im getting it for sure , i just want one more . and it has to be available in usa .

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I don't know how much bass the UE600 has, I would look at the Zero Audio Tenore and Ostry KC06.  You can get both from Amazon.com.  You can also get Ostry from Ebay, Penonaudio, or Shenzhenaudio

suman134 said:

   
    what about fidelio s2 ? i want something under $150 , with well extended spectrum , nice bass with speed and some punch , good mids , and present highs with some sound stage , you can say something like ue600 but with more detail and a bit more bass .
    im buying 2 , re-400 is all in , im getting it for sure , i just want one more . and it has to be available in usa .

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The S2 is fairly different from the B2 and ER4P for sure - greater bass impact (more along the lines of GR07 bass quantity) but definitely not a bass monster, not too much focus on the mids but no recession, and pretty prominent treble. The problem is that it's not as smooth as the UE600, either - few headphones are.
 

kova4a said:

  Maybe joker can comment on the new Philips TX2 if he has already received them from Tyll.

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Not here yet - Tyll is currently measuring a bunch of my IEMs. I imagine I'll get the TX1 and TX2 back with all the rest of them. 
 

heyodee said:

  Can anyone comment on the Westone UM 30 Pro

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I would be very surprised if it sounds any different from the old UM3X. I have the W10 and W40 from the new lineup and they sound like the old W1 and W4.

hi joker, i hope you can also review the KC06 and the upcoming KC06A.

Oh, he will. He will.

ljokerl said:

   
 
I would be very surprised if it sounds any different from the old UM3X. I have the W10 and W40 from the new lineup and they sound like the old W1 and W4.

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Thank Jesus that there's no significant difference between W40, and W4! I lost my hope when people affirmed that W40 had more bass and smoother treble. 

airomjosh said:

  hi joker, i hope you can also review the KC06 and the upcoming KC06A.

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Yeah I'm curious about these as well. 

- sub.