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Just when I thought this thread's not going anywhere, I find these two gems that remind me all is not futile in Head-Fidom. Pedalhead and pp312, well said!

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Gee, pleasant surprise. And here I expected to be viciously bashed and left bleeding in the gutter for maligning the AD700.

Though it may happen yet...

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"Originally Posted by pp312
Smellygas has the opposite problem you have with the HD 800 can´t take any positive remarks on it."

Smellygas, I didn't post that. Apart from the fact that it doesn't express my sentiments, it's poorly punctuated.

HD800 fanboys need to stop crying when people say they dont like the headphones.
Some people dont like the same thing as you, get over it. Jesus christ.

SmellyGas,

You're pretty close to the mark. Except I'd wager in the case of the HD800 it's "get a different source." A half-decent amp and killer source will fix more problems than vice versa. Having awesome headphones and an awesome amp, but not so good source, will produce a really bad sound.

I have experimented with EQ with the 800s for fun, but if I want the old Senn sound back it's just easier for me to put the 650s back on...

It seems to me that the importance of the source (digital to analog conversion) are often overlooked on this forum. (Not aimed at you SmellyGas).

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I agree with this 100%. I'm a big believer in the phrase "crap in/crap out" and believe that quality sound reproduction absolutely must begin with a quality source. That's one reason I still use a one-disk-at-a-time CD player. I was actually shopping for a $500 used CD player when I came across my Denon. I paid way less than my target price and couldn't be happier with it.


On a side note, it was very nice to see this threads tone do a complete 180.

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contrary to multiple discs? does any one use that? or what exactly do you mean? There are many people including me that believe that the best achievable digital quality comes from a Hard Disk Drive rather than a CD transport/player...

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And some would suggest that too much emphasis is placed on the periphery of one's setup. Someone reports that they didn't like a particular headphone, and thus ensues a fishing expedition that seeks to uncover problems with the listener, problems with his setup, lack of synergy between components, poor interconnects, etc., etc. Some of it approaches the point of absurdity, where the advice is for someone to build a whole new system around their new headphones using so called best-of-breed components.

That is not say that I don't believe in the importance of having good sources, amps, and other components. But I don't accept that by mere virtue of the fact that someone does not like a particular headphone that there must be a causal relationship between other gear in the system and listener dissatisfaction. Is it possible? Of course it is. But oftentimes it is the simplest explanation that is the most accurate, and that might include someone just not liking the way a set of phones sound. And in such cases no amount of remediation to the system is going to change that outcome.

--Jerome

Thanks for the review, makes me though again feel I need a pair of L3000 and that hurts the bank 2x as bad as HD800. However, I understand if someone pointblank attacks another, but WHY do people here too often feel personally attacked if something they enjoy is spoken of negatively by another. Its like your headphones become part of yourself and if someone rips on them it is taken as a personal attack.

I though what everyone was after, was the best sound in terms of music enjoyment. Everyone hears differently my fiance likes phones totally opposite from me and enjoys my cheaper Sennheisers more than anything else I own. They are just conduits for music, I know that some people here have valid issues back and forth. But don't let people liek DavidNYC stir you up so much. Lets it be.

I've read a bit of the HD800 threads and never thought of the HD800 proponents as being defensive about the HD800. They're just giving friendly advice on what they think is the best way to use the headphones which is very important information. It would be nice if manufacturers would say what they think is the best type of equipment to use with their headphones, what those headphones are good for and what they are bad at, etc, so people don't have to guess synergies or take other people's advice at face value. It's only natural people try to find good synergy (especially cheap ones) with headphones to make it easier for others to enjoy the headphones. If you don't want to take their advice about what they think is best for the HD800 then don't take it, it won't offend them because no one really expects you to buy more things unless you decide to yourself.

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No not contrary to a CD changer, but contrary to a PC like you mentioned. And you are probably right. With a HDD & high-end DAC the analog signal you get is most likely as good, or better as with a high end CD transport and DAC.
For me though, it was a matter of placement of my headphone rig. I wanted it in my bedroom, and my PC is in my office. I suppose I could have bought a high quality DAC and set up my desktop as a media server and used my laptop as a link to my DAC->amp->cans through my wireless router, but it just seemed easier to get a CD/SACD player for the bedroom.

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To be honest, this is how I have read most of the posts.


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I don't think this is a good idea really.

It's not really fair for a headphone manufacturer to favour one headphone amp over another.

Also, people have many different ideas as to what is best - if you read the HD 800 threads you will find quite an assortment of amplifiers that people like to use with the headphones - and the same number of people who don't like a recommended amp. and prefer an alternative.

Far better for the manufacturer to let the customer decide what best suits his (or her) personal taste.

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Really? wasnt Sennheiser pairing with Lehmann in the early promotion of the HD800? Arent magazines, including many british like the (now american) hifi+, complying with the Lehmann BCL/HD800 combo suggested by Sennheiser?