Does anyone else find the D66 eggos.....
Jul 15, 2003 at 2:47 AM Post #16 of 35
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Originally posted by myself, aka me
It's about the D66. In context 'the eggos' refers to the D66. D66 D66 D-66 d66 d-66.

I'm sure there are plenty of US$200 headphones that are more accurate than a D77..


Wanna bet?

In any event, the reports I have on this ng is that the D-66 is almost identical in tonal balance to the D-77. The V6 has exaggerated bass and emphasized lower treble. The D-77 does not have this problem, and seems quite flat to me. I stand by my assertion.
 
Jul 15, 2003 at 3:27 AM Post #17 of 35
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Originally posted by fiddler
I found the D66's to be slanting towards the bright side, and on top of that, the upper midrange had a weird hollow ringing quality to it that I just couldn't stand. The "ringing" could very well have something to do with mechanical damping issues, since the earcups feel very hollow inside.


Yup!, that's exactly what I had heard from the entire Sony MDR-D## Eggo line of headphones (note that I have never heard the D77). In addition, I've heard hollow "ringing" noises from most cheap closed headphones, as well. All that "ringing" is a sign of poor earcup design in closed headphones: Not only do the earcups lack damping, their natural resonant frequency is also well within the audible frequency range. Most of the other cheap Sony headphones - even "open-air" ones - suffer from the same "ringing" syndrome, since their "open-air" designs (for the most part) aren't true open-air designs, but are actually semi-closed. (As far as Sony's "open-air" headphones are concerned, I'm talking MDR-101/201 series, StreetStyles and w.ear's here.)
 
Jul 15, 2003 at 5:28 AM Post #18 of 35
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Originally posted by Mike Scarpitti
Wanna bet?

In any event, the reports I have on this ng is that the D-66 is almost identical in tonal balance to the D-77. The V6 has exaggerated bass and emphasized lower treble. The D-77 does not have this problem, and seems quite flat to me. I stand by my assertion.


You should read the whole post first. The V6, even at retail, do not cost $200. So he is correct stating that there are more accurate phones in the D-77 price range.
 
Jul 15, 2003 at 5:31 AM Post #19 of 35
i believe D77 are wayy overpriced at $200, and D77 dont sound $100 better then D66

D77s more like collector's headphones, not hi-fi (mid-fi ill say?)
 
Jul 15, 2003 at 5:33 AM Post #20 of 35
Mike, mike, mike.... Why bring the D77s into every thread about the D66? The D77s are not widely available and their performance shares little in common with the D66.
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Yes, by accounts the D77s are pretty darn good and better than the D66.

But we’re talking D66 here.
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Jul 15, 2003 at 5:35 AM Post #21 of 35
and yes i also agreed D66 suffers from the "ring" problem, but i only use my eggos for portable, so that problem is nothing major. at home i use my v6, and i also got a set of Altec Lansing speakers and my sharp SD-NX10 waitting for my to press the "on" button
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Jul 15, 2003 at 5:39 AM Post #22 of 35
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Originally posted by ProFingerSk8er
and yes i also agreed D66 suffers from the "ring" problem, but i only use my eggos for portable, so that problem is nothing major.


On the other hand, I've found the "ringing" problem to be serious, even for portable use. I can clearly hear such "ringing" noises (due to poor closed-headphone design) even over all that outside noise. And in the worst closed designs, some of the outside noises coming through the poorly damped earcups will also "ring", thus adding to an already serious problem, making it severe.

And, as I said, that "ringing" is very fatiguing, especially if that "ringing" occurs in the upper midrange frequencies that human hearing is most sensitive to. (Don't confuse this "ringing" with the trademark Grado upper-midrange peak: They're totally different sounds.)

That said, all closed headphones do "ring" to some extent. But the better closed designs do keep such "ringing" to a minimum. The Sony Eggos - at least those that I had heard - "ring" more than some cheaper closed headphones do.
 
Jul 15, 2003 at 1:44 PM Post #23 of 35
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Originally posted by Sol_Zhen
Mike, mike, mike.... Why bring the D77s into every thread about the D66? The D77s are not widely available and their performance shares little in common with the D66.
wink.gif


Yes, by accounts the D77s are pretty darn good and better than the D66.

But we’re talking D66 here.
smily_headphones1.gif


I do think the 'cotton mod' will remove the objectionable housing resonance for the D66 as well.

From what I have been able to learn, the difference is the diaphragm material. The motor and housing may be identical.
 
Jul 15, 2003 at 1:45 PM Post #24 of 35
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Originally posted by Eagle_Driver
On the other hand, I've found the "ringing" problem to be serious, even for portable use. I can clearly hear such "ringing" noises (due to poor closed-headphone design) even over all that outside noise. And in the worst closed designs, some of the outside noises coming through the poorly damped earcups will also "ring", thus adding to an already serious problem, making it severe.

And, as I said, that "ringing" is very fatiguing, especially if that "ringing" occurs in the upper midrange frequencies that human hearing is most sensitive to. (Don't confuse this "ringing" with the trademark Grado upper-midrange peak: They're totally different sounds.)

That said, all closed headphones do "ring" to some extent. But the better closed designs do keep such "ringing" to a minimum. The Sony Eggos - at least those that I had heard - "ring" more than some cheaper closed headphones do.


I really advise you stuff some cotton balls into the back of the headphones. It helps.
 
Jul 15, 2003 at 1:59 PM Post #25 of 35
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Originally posted by Mike Scarpitti
I really advise you stuff some cotton balls into the back of the headphones. It helps.


I know a lot of people are into modding things and DIYing, but IMHO, if I buy a pair of headphones for $100 I shouldn't have to stuff cotton balls into them to make them sound good.
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For the record, I happen to like the D66 but with some music I do find them overly bright and they have a "boxy" midrange. Maybe this is the ringing others are referring to.
 
Jul 15, 2003 at 3:18 PM Post #26 of 35
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Originally posted by myself, aka me
It's about the D66. In context 'the eggos' refers to the D66. D66 D66 D-66 d66 d-66.

I'm sure there are plenty of US$200 headphones that are more accurate than a D77..


Come on, we don't ALWAYS have to jump all over Mike. I think this instance of the D77 mention was legitimate. He mentioned that the D66 and D77 are similar in tonal balance and was subbing in his knowledge of the D77 in place of not having a D66; more or less saying the D66 and D77 are same but different and that his experience with the D77 is valid.

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Disagree with the 'fidelity' statement, if I can include the D-77 eggos. The V6 is far less accurate than the D-77


 
Jul 15, 2003 at 4:29 PM Post #27 of 35
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Originally posted by erikzen
I know a lot of people are into modding things and DIYing, but IMHO, if I buy a pair of headphones for $100 I shouldn't have to stuff cotton balls into them to make them sound good.
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For the record, I happen to like the D66 but with some music I do find them overly bright and they have a "boxy" midrange. Maybe this is the ringing others are referring to.


That is caused by the peculiar construction, with the vent. The vent is a 'passive radiator' that conducts sound from the outside to the inside, but not by being 'open'. The chamber itself is empty and made of a hard plastic compound. This colours the sound to a certain extent. Stuffing the chamber with cotton does two things:

1. It muffles the external sound a bit more.
2. It reduces the inner reflections of the chamber.

I HIGHLY recommend the 'cotton mod' for eggos.
 
Jul 15, 2003 at 4:37 PM Post #28 of 35
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Originally posted by Eagle_Driver
Yup!, that's exactly what I had heard from the entire Sony MDR-D## Eggo line of headphones (note that I have never heard the D77). In addition, I've heard hollow "ringing" noises from most cheap closed headphones, as well. All that "ringing" is a sign of poor earcup design in closed headphones: Not only do the earcups lack damping, their natural resonant frequency is also well within the audible frequency range. Most of the other cheap Sony headphones - even "open-air" ones - suffer from the same "ringing" syndrome, since their "open-air" designs (for the most part) aren't true open-air designs, but are actually semi-closed. (As far as Sony's "open-air" headphones are concerned, I'm talking MDR-101/201 series, StreetStyles and w.ear's here.)


If you 'cup' your hands around your ears (palms forward) you can hear something similar. At least I do.
 
Jul 15, 2003 at 5:03 PM Post #29 of 35
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I HIGHLY recommend the 'cotton mod' for eggos. [/B]



I agree on this one. I also agree that for a $100 it shouldn't need to be modded. But for some of us, we like to get tweek around and get the last 1% improvement that the manufactures might have missed, especailly if its free and easy. This cotton mod falls in that catagory.

Tweeking is fun, especially if you did it and it improves things to your liking. It gives you a sense of accomplishment and makes you feel proud of yourself. This thing about tweeking is sort of addicting too. Once you do it and you like it, you'll always be looking at things differently, trying to think of ways to improve it.

IMO, there are two types of people. One school, is to buy the best of something and enjoy it. If its not to their liking, then get something else. The other school, is to get something and if they don't like it, see if they can improve on it. Cars are a good example of this, so are computers. This can get carried away though, ie. "Tim the Toolman" and "Monster Garage". Anyway my point is us "tweekers" don't consider it a big deal to improve something if it make it better. We get a great sense of satisfaction doing it and it also saves us a lot of money in doing so sometimes.

Well, thats my $.02 for the day...
 
Jul 15, 2003 at 5:17 PM Post #30 of 35
I guess I'm kind of a purist. I don't like modified cars. I find them much more appealing if they are left with all their original equipment. I don't like the designated hitter and don't particularly care for interleague play. (Unless of course the Yankees are stomping on the Mets. Bring back the Mayor's Trophy Game!)

I guess computers are kind of different because I only think of them as tools to be used and anything that can make them better is welcomed. They'll be donated to a school or the underpriveledged in three years anyway.

For me headphones and electronic equipment are kind of mix of the two: I appreciate them for what they are, but also use them as a tool to enjoy. I'm a (low budget) collector and a listener.

However, maybe I'll just bite the bullet and do the tape mod.
 
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