Ok your entitled to your view - but have you tried the DT990 pro? How did the rest of the spectrum sound? Is the bass relaxed? I mean will it be stronger than the HD600?

XtremeD,

You're entitled to your view as well. What sounds pleasing and musical to my ears, doesn't necessarily sound the same to you. And that's what your buying decision has to be about: your musical enjoyment. What anyone else feels is pretty much inconsequential in the end.

To my ears, the 990 Pro's bass is clearly stronger, more extended and more accurate than that of the HD600. With more impact and superior musicality. However, I feel the biggest tonal problem of the HD600 is its thin lower midrange. I have never liked the HD600 or the HD580. They just aren't musically involving for me.

Well, I've already had the DT531 and then DT250/80 and /250 as well as the DT990Pro/250 and the DT770Pro/250 for quite a while, now (2 and 1 1/2 years). The DT880 and the DT931 might arrive next Tuesday (together with two PortaCorda(II)s and a Corda HA-1 MkII ).

Impressions so far:

DT531: nice price/performance, fairly neutral, good bass (maybe a tiny bit bloated and a little over-emphasized in the mid-bass), fairly extended, light, very comfy, long dual ended cable (a bit flimsy, but still quite robust);

DT250/80: fairly light, almost as comfy as the DT531, offering a fair bit of isolation, fairly good, but not too deep bass, good mids, recessed highs, most efficient so far, spiral cable;

DT250/250: comfort and weight just like the DT250/80, similar sound as DT531 (only with slightly more pronounced but also a little nasal mids due to closed construction);

DT990Pro/250: heavier, not as comfy as the DT531, high clamping force (which can be amended by bending the headband carefully - I just grabbed the thing at the earcups and woblled these outward...), slightly more extended in the bass, but also more bloated, a little recessed mids, harsher highs;

DT770Pro/250: comfort and weight just like the DT990Pro/250, also sonically similar, but BASS! Maybe a bit bloated, but at least very over-emphasized to my ears;

Oh, and yes, I've heard the DT831 briefly, too, but only in a shop. Seemed promising, though. Similar to the DT531 in comfort and weight, more pronounced mids, maybe a little shrill but also very extended highs. But as I generally prefer semi-open constructions, I spontaneously decided to try the DT931, when I called Jan, today...

Greetings from Munich!

Manfred / lini

P.S.: It's always nice to have a chat with Jan. Hehe, he's already burning in the first two units of the power-amp to go with the PreHead.

TravelLite,

that chart suggests that the DT880 and the DT770 both feel the same. they do not. there is feel, and then there is how easily they come apart. the DT880 defintely feels like it has less lateral pressure (along with feeling lighter).

you'll have to wait for gerG. he owns both, along with the DT931, HP910, HD600, AD10, A1000, CD3000, ...

Matt, who feels that he has a large cranium, can probably also offer his views, as he has heard gerG's DT770.

try removing the leather-covering on the headband and see if the pressure is dimished.

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Beyerdynamics - you can't have just one.

Holy Cow! It looks like Head-Fi was super-busy today, but now it's kind of quiet, heh.
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wallijonn, I'm a little confused. Perchance are you referring to the DT770PRO, rather than the new DT770? If so I certainly concur, as does the data.

In summary, the clamping force of the new DT880, the new DT770, and the new DT990 is 2.8N. The clamping force of the DT770PRO and the DT990PRO is 3.5N.

Regarding the weight of the new DT880 versus the DT770PRO, well, as reflected by the data, they seem about the same to me, LOL.
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I seem to recall reading that gerG acquired the DT770PRO not long after receiving the new DT880 earlier this year. Just to clear up any confusion, did he also get a sample of the new DT770?

Confusion reigns supreme, ROFL!

Anyhow, here's wishing all US Head-Fi'ers a safe, happy, and very beyerdynamic)))) Memorial Day weekend!

TravelLite

I really like the sound of the Beyer 831 through the Marantz 1060 amp. Could it be that matching components makes all the difference? I'm not one for shrillness, but I can boost the treble with the amp and it can sound even better. How does that happen without increasing the shrillness?

I was waiting to find out the opinions on the 880's in comparison to the 250/80's I recieved from gerG. The fit is way too restrictive and tight,so I couln't listen in comfort to really compare them. The 880's however are like a king size bed with the comforter. No problem there. One note on the 2 phones, I've been hearing so much on the cd3000's I think I'm looking to trade both these,in like new cond.,for the sonys. What do you guys think?

It seems like your best answer, if you like the DT770 Pro, but not its comfort, is to go with the DT770 (non-pro). It has a bigger headband, so it should fit a tad more loosely on your head.

Ok I've narrowed it down to DT880, DT770 non pro or DT990 non pro. I don't want the DT831, 531 or 931 as they are much too bright, lack the bass I want, and the design isnt so fun. Is that a wise decision?

As for DT880 vs the rest - is the sound of DT880 very nice? Hows the bass? I read the reviews but didnt become any wiser on it. Let me know ur experiences with it plz.

Does the bass you want include the normal bass-boost that you use?

If so... there is (to be honest) little point in going with refinement... you might as well get the coarsest cans you can... refined cans really will not thank you (sonically) if they're being bombarded with 20db extra bass...

but the thing is - will the DT880 give me a tight nice bass? Maybe I can refrain from the double extra bass enhancer and have high quality bass for once. But I wanted to know if the DT880 is boring or if it has a nice bass.

XD,

the DT880 bass is nice, but supposedly (according to gerG) doesn't do as far down as the HD600. It is also supposedly "slower". It doesn't have the "slam" of Grados. What you get is smooth bass response, but not overly deep. it is not boring, to me. to you, however... who knows? you'll have to listen for yourself. the OVERALL sound of the DT880 is one of flat and balanced and neutral and natural. I can not say the same for the DT770.

the Dt880 has it's own high end problems (like every other can out there). it all depends on your equipment.

how can you say that they are bright if you have not heard them in your configuration? do you have bright, neutral or dark sources? it's all about synergy.



TravelLite,

you just may be right.

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I still don't understand why you don't just flex the headband a little, it'll reduce the clamping force dramatically. The other option is to stretch them over a few books for a couple of days, that will also reduce clamping force. You won't damage the headphones or make them look "scruffy", and you can always bend them back if you like.

Personally I feel the DT880 has a tiny bit too little clamping force and I wish they were a little bit tighter.
The DT770pro was way too tight when I first tried them out, but after a quick flex or 2 they felt perfect.

If you have comfort issues but want powerful bottom end I suggest HD580s + amp + decent source or HD600s + good amp + good source.

If you like the brightness of DT770s, just pair them [580s or 600s] with a really aggressive amp and source and imho problem solved.

I find the HD600 to have a tighter bass which punches especially in the midbass compared to the DT770s. It lacks that powerful bottom end slam unless powered properly, in which case it is superior.

When paired with a good amp, the HD600 has overwhelmingly powerful, tight, extended bass which is head-rattling. I was absolutely amazed when I heard this happen for the first time. Absolutely none of this happens with a low end setup.

The DT770 has more bass and has visceral impact with a cheap setup. I find it to be bloated, however. The 770s do have tight bass.

I generally agree with Tomcat's views; the DT770 is more involving; except for one thing- the 770s have overwhelmingly over emphasized upper bass. It's really bad on some recordings and not as noticeable on others. It seems to bleed into the lower midrange as well creating a very very thick sound.

Highs are almost ridiculous on the 770s, extremely biting and bright sounding. There is a weird midrange hole on the 770s. Not a "veil," but more of a "gap" sound. Think bass+treble boost.

HD600s have a little bit of the lower bass overboost but it's nothing compared to DT770s.

Mids and highs are superior on the 600s imho. More detail, smoother, more relaxed, non-fatiguing, very refined.

The sound of both vastly improves with an amp.