thx u very much, Mr. Joe.
i also want to know which is the best c/p cost of el34 tube can i find in the market?

Many people recommend the current production Ei/Yugo EL34s. Not sure about NOS.

As I stated before in another thread, JJ Tesla EL84 current production or Ei Yugo EL84 gold pins, is a better hand choose version of the regular Ei, Nick Dangerous some others and I preffer the JJ to the Ei even the gold pins, we considered the overall sound as better, but due to cost it worth to try both, I think both are less than 20 for an each matched pair....try both and decide by yourself, you can sell the rest later if you don't like them...

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i have owned and heard them both. 2 channel stated that he couldn't imagine an amp that sounded $700 better than the mg head, and i stated (in my roundabout way) that the rkv is this amp. you haven't heard the rkv, so how can you say it's a nice amp? and who are you to judge if it sounds $700 better than the mg head? you haven't read that anywhere?

THE RKV SOUNDS $700 BETTER THAN THE MG HEAD.

you just did. i never said anything about the original price range of the amps, although i purchased my rkv for $750 during the original pre-order when i'm sure audiovalve and mr. meier did not make much of a profit from each amp sale (and i would much rather have one rkv than two mg heads). however, i would purchase it all over again at the current $995 price because it is just that good.

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It is a nice amp because I like the way it looks, period, it's beautiful, and an amp is not nice because of the sound, an amp is good because of the sound, but I never say good or bad, even what I hope it will be, cause the price, But WHO ARE YOU TO SAY THAT IT DOES SOUND 700.00 BETTER THAN THE MGHead??? MAYBE in your opinion, but nothing else, your ears are not a reference for anything here (neither mine) to state difference in values per sound quality, don't be arrogant and ridiculous, please!!! This is not a way of measure the quality of an amp....

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you really are truly lost. sicne you just contradicted yourself a few dozen times AND gave more proof of your stupidity, i'm just going to say that i like the rkv more than the mg head. this is, of course, just my opinion and i feel that my opinion might be a bit more believable than your's since, after all, i have owned both amps and listened to them both rather extensively.

although, i'm glad you hear that you considering audio equipment "nice" if it looks pretty. i hope lots of people still listen to your opinion on the cd3000..

however, joe lau seems like a great guy and a good designer and i'm sure the new mg head is a damn fine item. i have no idea what the opera cyber 20 is though.

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And your saying grinch sounds arrogant and ridiculous!?!

At least he has a basis for his opinions unlike your drivel. Grinch's reply was in answer to a question asked. In his opinion the RKV is $700 better and who are you to say differently? You haven't even heard the RKV! Unlike some people who feel this need to come across as an authority on things they haven't even tried, Grinch has every right to say this because he has owned both amplifiers.

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you really are truly lost. sicne you just contradicted yourself a few dozen times AND gave more proof of your stupidity,

People who needs to offend others is because they fell impotent and frustrated when trying to argue or demostrate the truth in what they try to say, this is the first sympthom of impotence......

I'm just going to say that i like the rkv more than the mg head. this is, of course, just my opinion

and nothing else than this

and I feel that my opinion might be a bit more believable than your's since, after all, i have owned both amps and listened to them both rather extensively.

Listen, guy, one opinion is nothing but that, and not more believable that other, not even from the pope, is just a very subjective point of view, period....
How much is then the HD600 better that the HD580, 20.00 or 30.00 IMO, this is in fact A VERY STUPID WAY OF MEASURE THE QUALITY OF AUDIO GEAR, BUT IS YOUR WAY AND EVEN WHEN I CONSIDER IT VERY STUPID, I RESPECT THAT

although, i'm glad you hear that you considering audio equipment "nice" if it looks pretty. i hope lots of people still listen to your opinion on the cd3000..

WRONG again, I say the CD3000 is nice even because for me it is BEAUTIFULL, but I also stated that is one of the best headphones available, AND THIS IS A COMMON OPINION OF MANY PEOPLE WHO HAVE HEARD A LOT MORE THAN ME AND YOU, I HOPE PEOPLE TRY THEM MORE OFTEN, THeY ARE MISSING A VERY GOOD HEADPHONE....

however, joe lau seems like a great guy and a good designer and i'm sure the new mg head is a damn fine item. i have no idea what the opera cyber 20 is though.
this is the only point we agree, sorry

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We are not comparing here the RKV with anything, the thread is about the MGHead and the Opera, and even he ask me for an apology, why??? I just say that they are not on the same price range, what is true right? I never stated anything about if this is good or bad, as I never heard the RKV, I agree with that, but in my opinion (and I can say that too) this is not a way of measure the quality of the audio gear, that is very simple.....comparing one with another out of topic, this is simply ridiculous!!!! one is 100.00 better than other com'on guys, how you call this? But here we can say whatever we want he way we want, period, and based on that he can say whatever he wants...of course, sorry to bother you guys, keep on driveling then as you say....

I'm out of here (morsel way) I don't even know why I make a commnet I don't even care a ****, about both amps in question...I just owned one that I sold because of QC issues....sorry guys...

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And where exactly did this occur?
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True, but the original comment by 2 channel was that he couldn't imagine another amp being worth $700 more. Grinch replied with what he felt was an amp that is worth $700 more. Which by the way I believe was meant as good natured banter, until you felt the need to interject, obviously without even reading the quote and what Grinch was replying to because your more interested in trolling than posting anything useful, thus turning the good natured banter into a minor flame war and I'm sorry but I'm sick of seeing threads I'm interested go to hell when you start posting useless, silly and irrelevant comments in them to entice these flame wars. (the ignore feature doesn't stop the thread from going to hell although I wish it did )

You keep yangin' on about how your entitled to your opinion. Well here's a newsflash for ya. In Grinch's opinion the RKV is worth $700 more than the MG Head. If your entitled to your opinion than I'm quite sure Grinch is entitled to his and what's even better is his opinion is a qualified opinion which holds weight because he has experience with both amps in question.

And why is this not a valid way of measuring the quality of an audio component? Surely most if not all of us have said at one time or another that product A is worth the price difference over product B just as I'm sure we've all said that product A is not worth the price difference over product B. Both statements are valid and have merit. These statements may not be as relevant as say a full review but they are still relevant nonetheless.

Now back on topic, I apologize jazpresso for hijacking your thread.

Tuberoller

How does the headphone output of the Opera integrated compare to Opera's standalone headamp? Can you give a guage of the quality, like is it in the same league as the MG Head or the RKV or something else? Also, how do the Opera's fare with low impedance headpones.

Sorry jazpresso for hijacking your thread, it was not my intention, and when I talked about the price range was about the two original ones, included in your thread and the ones you were originally talking (not about the RKV) the mention of the RKV makes no sense at all in this thread, and was completelly unrespectfull to your thread, as nobody were talking about it, unless the intension of the post were to moved and change the attention to another amp BTW out of topic. Why not opening another thread instead, is it so hard to do it, right? BTW I'm also sick of seeing a lot of threads originally posted for the comparison of two items went to hell just because people begin to talk of anything he wants but the topic itself, and most of the times the same guys, just as a remark, but it seems that lateley everytime I try to write something people is paying too much attention to the way it is written, or said, and even complained about it, without making any sense, as this case was, (I was not even talking with grinch or about anything that he had posted, but he had to put his grain of salt anyway)........and that is the only apology I owe here in the whole thread, sorry jazpresso for my intromission....

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Just curious, if this was truly the case why didn't you state this when Grinch replied to your first post???

Upon going back and reading through the thread again I can see how your original post could be taken either way but with your reply to Grinch's post telling you to reread his quote and comment it seems that your original post was in reply to him.

Because whatever Sov believes in is fact, and whatever anyone else believes is opinion. Haven't we all figured that out by now?

Based on your "3000's rule because a lot of other people think so" statement, There are many of us who believe the RKV is much, much better than the MG Head. But that's only our opinion right?

Let me ask you something, you find it inappropriate to compare the RKV to the MG Head because of price difference, right? Then why do you find nothing wrong with comparing a Gilmore to a Meta42, as stated in another thread? The Gilmore can cost twice as much as the Meta, right?

Let me guess, because YOU think it's ok, whether it's hypocritical or not.

Well if you want to keep on hijacking others thread (even when I do not agreee) is OK for me:

Hi Billy I was already missing you:

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Sorry if I gave that impression but I was not reffering to his post in any way.....(and he even ask me for an apology!!!!)