[Mad Lust Envy]

I doubt my Marantz receiver is pushing out anywhere near the same power to the LCD2 as my Compass 2 (2 watts to the LCD2), and it's maybe 2% inferior to my ears. I can easily live with the LCD2 off my receiver.

 

[Noobmachine]

Oh Yeah! They have a deal going on: Lyr+Bitfrost+LCD-2 for SGD 2788. I nearly settled for that but well the price...
O.o The HE500 is available for audition? But, I just checked for a graph and the peak at 9-10 hz is slightly worrying 
and the bass response isn't promising because I heard a guy said it isn't enough. The reason I like the HD650 is 
its tastefully darkened sound sig. and also the superb sense of openness and I've confirmed that these are indeed
their strengths. The LCD-2 isn't like heavy on bass but it has a more impactful low end. More dimensionality (Imaging),
sure! More Articulate Mids, duh. Same Dark Sound, yup.

I think if ANYONE comes saying, what should I upgrade to frm the HD650 with a thousand bucks, the answer would be
definitely the LCD-2 no argument.

@NoobMachine, have your had any experience with the D7ks, it sounds like its for me, but I'm afraid it maybe too bright because
the HD650's treble quantity is just right for me. 

What exactly is the minimum to power the lcd-2, I heard on the audeze website min is 1w and optimum is >2w, and I doubt audeze
wants to screw themselves by saying its a hard to power hp, becos that would turn some customers away.

That's a pretty good deal, but I'm pretty sure that it's a bit over priced... I do remember seeing the HE-500 for demo in the shop, just ask. Personally I didn't try them out, but you may want to check out the HE500 thread for more details.

Maybe you need to try these hps out for yourself first, have you had a chance to try out the LCD2s? I'm sure you could head down to jaben and try all these out.

I have tried the d2000 and 5000, and for me the treble was noticeably more harsh than the 650 and LCD2, but I'm not sure abt the 7000. Minimum would be like 1.5w, more then that is always better though

 

[jazzerdave]

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I doubt my Marantz receiver is pushing out anywhere near the same power to the LCD2 as my Compass 2 (2 watts to the LCD2), and it's maybe 2% inferior to my ears. I can easily live with the LCD2 off my receiver.

 
It's actually quite possible that the Marantz is putting out plenty of power.  It would depend on the implementation of Dolby headphone and whether or not it's a separate headphone amp or just a mixdown of the 5.1 and a network of resistors.  The latter is slightly less common in newer receivers, but still isn't exactly rare.  

 

[myap2328]

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That's a pretty good deal, but I'm pretty sure that it's a bit over priced... I do remember seeing the HE-500 for demo in the shop, just ask. Personally I didn't try them out, but you may want to check out the HE500 thread for more details.

Maybe you need to try these hps out for yourself first, have you had a chance to try out the LCD2s? I'm sure you could head down to jaben and try all these out.

I have tried the d2000 and 5000, and for me the treble was noticeably more harsh than the 650 and LCD2, but I'm not sure abt the 7000. Minimum would be like 1.5w, more then that is always better though

 
Haha! I've tried alot of hps actually. And yes the treble was fatiguing on the d5000 compared to the Hd650.

 

[MrTechAgent]

I think your question has been answered but still they will work just fine

 

[telecaster]

The sub bass on the HD650 is fine, check your recordings, poorly mastered music will still sound poor.
Lots of folks especially old or even youngster exposed to ear damaging sound pressure levels are treble deaf. It's the first part of the Spectrum to die. The HD650 are just not treble rolled off, that's my opinion.
Anyway I like the rumble big loudspeaker can put out, but it's mainly due to the room resonnance.
In first class design sub bass is boosted and ported with crazy long ported design cabinets.
 
If you think your tiny headphones can make the rumble that shake your world, it will never happen.
 
I EQd the HD650 with subbass and yes it sounds fun on lesser recordings. That's the solution to the problem.
 
Or play bit perfect good records. If you think HD650 is bass light, then give 'Orion' from Philip Glass a  listen

 

[TMRaven]

What's your definition of sub-bass?  If it's stuff below 60hz, HD650 doesn't have very much of that, and what little it does have is distorted.
 
It doesn't have the extension and accuracy of the open planars down low, nor does it have the raw extension and pressure-buildup of closed headphones like the M50, which extend extremely low.

 

[xeizo]

Yes whatever can be said on the Senns, they don't impress in the low bass department, even if they have a nice midbass thump. But on most other parameters they excel for the price, so the flimsy weak low bass can be excused most of the time. Even my 50$ Philips SHP8900 have more impressive low bass than my Sennheiser HD600:s, which are very similar in bass characteristics to the HD650(but the midbass in the Philips cans are much worse, and so is everything else).
 

 

[imackler]

Hey all. On my HD650, my right side swivels well, giving a little play to the right or left. But my left side doesn't budge. Have any of the rest of you experienced that? I'm hesitant to force it..

 

[MattTCG]

I noticed pretty much the same. The left side seems to give much more resistance to swivel than the right side. I assumed that it was because I'm right handed and always pick them up by the right cup.

 

[JonasRas]

Same!

 

[calipilot227]

My '650s are fairly worn-in, so both sides swivel with ease. Work it back and forth a few times, and you should be fine.

 

[radiojam]

I have a relatively new pair of 650's and the swivel is equal on both sides.

 

[telecaster]

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What's your definition of sub-bass?  If it's stuff below 60hz, HD650 doesn't have very much of that, and what little it does have is distorted.
 
It doesn't have the extension and accuracy of the open planars down low, nor does it have the raw extension and pressure-buildup of closed headphones like the M50, which extend extremely low.

With loudspeaker if the FR goes down to -3dB 60Hz you can expect relative satisfying bass experience and lifelike representation. I have a old pair of Cabasse that is very life like but have nothing Under 60Hz. But of course I had Meridians that goes -3dB 38Hz and those were another story.
It is understandable that dynamic driver cannot excell in the sub 80Hz territory without bass vent, cabinet porting, bass reflex design etc etc..
Just look at naked woofer FR BW graph, and browse DIY speaker cabinet if you don't believe me.
 
Also the Magnepan quasiplanar like the audeze hifiman, are really weak in the bass, even their top of the line door sized model. Martin Logan counter the bass weakness with dynamics subwoofers...
 
My 2 cents, because so much people expect dynamic drivers to excell in the bass, and HD650 is a superb HP achievement reguardless of the price. -3dB 20Hz with HD650 would be perfect but it won't happen.
 
Never heard the Audeze and hifiman, and I'm sure they have good low end as many have said. trust you and other owners on this!
 
I don't like the magnepan sound, just it is big but it's anemic and boring to my ear. I prefer Meridian digital dynamic speakers. So the HD650 give me a very undistored and dynamic sound that I like and frankly I would have to find really much better to spend the outrageous cash!

 

[calipilot227]

If your Magnepans sound anemic, you're doing something wrong. I got more bass impact from my MGII than my Polk Monitor 10's.