SF Maxi Meet
Oct 24, 2005 at 4:12 AM Post #31 of 90
daba ... I heard the same re these marks (most seem to have them).

If your's didn't, then you may want to check your headphone number to see if you got the same ones you brought???
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Oct 24, 2005 at 4:48 AM Post #34 of 90
I had a blast as usual - why are events full of nerdy headphone geeks so much fun? Thank you, Voltron, for the kind hospitality (which included delicious snacks and refreshments); your home theater system was most impressive (baseball is actually tolerable when presented in 720p)! Watching House of Flying Daggers was an enlightening experience to say the least - I cannot believe the impact of your system, and Beck via 5.1 DVD-A was also amazing to behold. Your home was really conducive for a meet, and the little inside/outside area allowed for a pleasant reprieve while BillBob guarded the entrance.
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It was great re-uniting with old friends ayt999 and utep10 - I'm sure they appreciated my navigating-vigilance. Utep10: you are a good friend and an even better driver – meets aren’t the same without you. Ayt999 thank you for sharing your wonderful gear so selflessly with the eager folks at the meet. Thank you also for selling me some of your Quails, even though you doubted my reciprocation for the balanced HD650 cable.
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Rhythmdevils and neilvg: it was fun seeing you again (I've met both of you at different meets) - perhaps we can jam sometime and/or "trade" music (neilvg don't forget the google-chick hook-ups).
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PFKMan23 it was nice meeting you for the first time - you have a lot of enthusiasm and that's always welcome. I'm glad you enjoyed the show, Spektrograf - too bad your visit was a bit brief, but I'm sure the event was worth the early retreat. Daba, I never opened my sister's HF-1, but every HF-1 I saw at the meet also exhibited those same "features;" nevertheless, your reminder shall be heeded. Ripley, I'm glad your gf is still enjoying the HD25 - it's nice to hear that she enjoys the high fidelity reproduction!
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Thank you to all you participated in this meet; I will post the photos I captured and some thoughts regarding the various gear as time allows.
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Oct 24, 2005 at 4:58 AM Post #35 of 90
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Originally Posted by daba
Yep, checked they are #26. rhythmdevils, I know Grado QC isn't the best but I'm pretty sure mine didn't come like that.


Im not saying I doubt you daba, but it isn't even a grado QC issue. It is something every grado I have seen in this line has and in exactly the same way. Does someone want to pull that thread out which discussed this?

How would the scuffs have occured in exatly the same place on both sides? Especially considering we all have them in the same place on both sides too...

More interestingly, has anyone seen any hf-1's other than daba's without this?
 
Oct 24, 2005 at 5:45 AM Post #36 of 90
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Originally Posted by neilvg
Im not saying I doubt you daba, but it isn't even a grado QC issue. It is something every grado I have seen in this line has and in exactly the same way. Does someone want to pull that thread out which discussed this?

How would the scuffs have occured in exatly the same place on both sides? Especially considering we all have them in the same place on both sides too...

More interestingly, has anyone seen any hf-1's other than daba's without this?



Some are worse than others, but every HF1 has those exact marks. We may have an incredible coincidence on our hands. but im guessing its the same thing. they really arent that noticable unless you are in the right light. im guessing you had a light that reflected out of the rough patterns and made you notice it for the first time. they are still sweet headphones.

i dont even want to think about the last threads about grado QC, no less find them. but they are probably listed in the HF1 index thread... people mentioned various ways to fix it too
 
Oct 24, 2005 at 5:50 AM Post #37 of 90
remember my comments at the meet about downgrading to the HF1?

well im thinking about posting a WTB thread for an HE60.
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someone stop me! help! i was trying to get reading done for class and all i could think about was balanced 650's dancing around HE90's with baby he60's
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hmmm...maybe someone would want to trade HE60's for HP2's.....
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....hmmm....i wonder how much cash they keep on hand at Walmart....
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edit: i just made the post...
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Oct 24, 2005 at 6:49 AM Post #38 of 90
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Originally Posted by rhythmdevils
Some are worse than others, but every HF1 has those exact marks. We may have an incredible coincidence on our hands. but im guessing its the same thing. they really arent that noticable unless you are in the right light. im guessing you had a light that reflected out of the rough patterns and made you notice it for the first time. they are still sweet headphones.

i dont even want to think about the last threads about grado QC, no less find them. but they are probably listed in the HF1 index thread... people mentioned various ways to fix it too



They're great headphones, but these are definitely visible in all forms of light. They are blatantly obvious. All I know was that they were perfect when I first got them otherwise I would have noted this.

Don't buy an HE60 since you'll have to upgrade many other things.

I'll check out a way to fix it...
 
Oct 24, 2005 at 8:19 AM Post #39 of 90
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Originally Posted by rhythmdevils
Some are worse than others, but every HF1 has those exact marks. We may have an incredible coincidence on our hands. but im guessing its the same thing. they really arent that noticable unless you are in the right light. im guessing you had a light that reflected out of the rough patterns and made you notice it for the first time. they are still sweet headphones.

i dont even want to think about the last threads about grado QC, no less find them. but they are probably listed in the HF1 index thread... people mentioned various ways to fix it too



The HE60's sound amazing and even though I think the blue hawaii was not up to snuff at the meet, it still sounded good. I've read some threads talking about the changing of bias's and it was found that amps set to 500 were almost unlistenable. This was the bias that the BH was se too. The balance issue apparently is due to a faulty right XLR plug. If we'd used RCA it would have been fine.

The balanced HD650's was really something wasn't it? I can honestly say that it blew my mind, and it blew it further than anything else including the orpheus BY FAR.

edit: I don't hold this against the Orpheus... just against the BH and Alex... hahah just kidding AYT
 
Oct 24, 2005 at 8:24 AM Post #40 of 90
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Originally Posted by daba
They're great headphones, but these are definitely visible in all forms of light. They are blatantly obvious. All I know was that they were perfect when I first got them otherwise I would have noted this.


Are you willing to stake your life on that claim?
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I hate to break it to you, but you simply did not notice the marks when you received it. There is no such thing as "perfect" plastic Grados. Here is a nice explanation courtesy of en480c4:
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It's not damage... that's where the plastic is injected into the mold and where it has to be trimmed back flush after the molding process is complete. I guess it's the price you pay when dealing with a small company who molds their own parts. The HF-1's sound fantastic, and that's all that really matters IMO.


You can read more about it in this thread.

Here are some photos from Elephas that show his HF-1 and MS-1's both with the mold marks. Look familiar?
 
Oct 24, 2005 at 8:35 AM Post #41 of 90
My guess on the daba HF-1 issue is that the scuffs may have been there but that the chipped piece came off last night with some extra handing and can jockeying. People have posted about the spot where the cord enters the ear cup being chipped in addition to the scuffs. This may have been fragile on daba's and gave way yesterday. Whatever the case, I am sorry it happened and that it bums you out. Overall I was really impressed by how respectful people were of the gear and how careful things were handled for the most part.
 
Oct 24, 2005 at 8:36 AM Post #42 of 90
I swear I'm being brainwashed. It's not true!
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OK now I'm just confused and question my own memory. Sorry for badgering this happy thread with unhappy thoughts, what Voltron said is probably the most probable event.

Thanks everyone for their inputs.
 
Oct 24, 2005 at 8:39 AM Post #43 of 90
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Originally Posted by Borat
you simply did not notice the marks when you received it. There is no such thing as "perfect" plastic Grados.


Yep, every plastic Grado has marks there to varying degrees. I have many, many plastic Grado cups here (every single one has marks in the same spot) including Joe Grado models and even those have the same cut off marks. If there were no marks there, then I'd be worried they weren't really Grado's
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Oct 24, 2005 at 8:43 AM Post #44 of 90
After hosting the meet for nearly 12 hours yesterday, I spent the day today finishing the job of putting the house back together and hanging with my wife and kids. They are fascinated and confused by this interest in headphones, but they were very generous in allowing me so much time with13 mostly strangers into our house for the day. I have thanked them for all of us who enjoyed the time sampling gear and mostly talking a lot. Gladly, you’re not strangers any more.

My wife also enjoyed reading the comments and seeing the photos of the meet and our house, dog, etc., on the web. It looks nicer than we might think being here every day. Of course it doesn’t hurt to have a fine photographer like Spektrograf framing such artistic shots with his great camera. PFKMan said at one point yesterday that he wasn’t sure if it was rude to say it but that our house looked like it should be in one of those design magazines. As I said yesterday, that was a nice compliment. Thanks PFK, and thanks for all the other kind comments. I had a blast and it was my pleasure to have you all over. Oddly, I want to do it again soon, but I am going to let somebody else take that on next. Illah has offered and I hope we take him up on it and keep this group going.

I actually went to bed for half an hour tonight, but thoughts from the meet were running through my head and simply kept me awake. I decided to turn on the MPX3 and take advantage of Rhythmdevils’ generosity in allowing me to borrow his beautiful HP2s before someone buys them from him. They sound particularly good with a nice old Tung Sol driver tube I got from ayt999 yesterday. It is the best-sounding tube I have had in the MPX3. Previously, I had thought the Ken-Rad was where it was at. I am going do some more comparisons of them when I have some time, and I need to try these W tubes ayt speaks of.

My headphone appreciation skills and listening tastes are still evolving, but the relative ease in sampling different types of gear is surely one of the more enjoyable things about the hobby and this forum. Still, as others have said, I look forward to having a more stripped down and focused meet where the sheer quantity of gear doesn’t overwhelm the senses and make me want to try everything if even for a little while. While I do not have the ears of neilvg or NeilPeart (too many Who concerts years ago?), or the depth and breadth of experience ayt999, I still wanted to post some thoughts from the all too limited listening I did yesterday:

1.ayt999’s PS1s rock my world. I don’t *think* I am a basshead or anything, but man the bottom end out of those things is killer. I think they were the most “fun” cans I experienced yesterday, as that term is used around here. ayt’s home-brew balanced recable certainly might put this pair in another category altogether, and of course they were plugged into the simply incredible SDS-XLR Mikhail made for him. Nonetheless, PS1s are high on my list of cans to own.

2.neilvg’s and ayt’s L3000s both sounded excellent to my less well-trained ears. I was surprised by the bright crispness of the presentation out of them, but I like it and thought with the right amp they could easily be the perfect AT cans by cleaning up the occasional muddiness (maybe I mean sluggishness?) and lack of top-end extension/energy. One was balanced and one was not, but I used ayt’s adapter and plugged them both into Sleestack’s former Mad Maxxed MPX3 in succession and wanted to spend a lot of time finding just the right tube compliment to make them reach their highest potential. Coming into the meet I most wanted to hear the the L3K and especially with the DHA3000. I got to do just that, but like everybody else I think there was something absent in the setup that didn’t allow the DHA to shine like I expected and had heard. I want another chance with that combo soon. neilvg, if you are serious about your IC today then will loan your set to me for a week so I can see if the Leatherhead Lounge can be made into a permanent installation?

3.utep10’s DAC1 was set up late-ish and I wanted to hear more of it. I thought that using it solely as a DAC sounded good through the EMP Anniversary but I wanted to experiment with it as the amp and also with a different external amp. Next time.

4.The balanced 650s were another revelation. I had the same impressions posted above by neilvg and Rhythm so no need for more words here. I had heard Sleestack’s pair with a balanced silver dragon cable briefly on his new SDS this last week, but didn’t really crank them up. That amp with tube rectified power supply sounded more smooth and silky but I really did not have enough time or even play the same kind of music. I also think ayt did a nice job on the cable he made for his and think Slee should see about ordering a set!? Find more of those connectors ayt, because one of these days I am going to be balanced. Seeing a post by Larry reminded me that I wanted to mention that we used ayt's cable to class up my Headphiled maple woody 600s and they sounded very cool. We also had Larry's work in the form of woodied MS1s and HP3000s. You knew Rhythmdevils was here, though, so some of your work must have been here too.

5.Blessingx had the best-sounding computer setup I have heard since hearing the Headroom Micro Stack with desktop module in SJ. He has a Scott Nixon tube dac and the SR-71 and it sounded very sweet with 650s and I think I tried it with some Beyers briefly as well. Sorry you had to leave so early but I hope we will bridge the 10 blocks separating us again soon.

6.Speaking of Beyers, somebody brought a couple of them and I checked them out with NeilPeart on neilvg’s RudiStor amp. I am so clueless on Beyers that I don’t remember what is what. I think it was the 660 that sounded just way too bright for my taste even out of a tubey kind of amp. The other one was a 250-something I think (more flat and oval shape and pads rather than the round slotted plastic cups—help me out here Leeav), and I liked those a lot more. Sounded fun and not as shouty (neilvg’s favorite diss) as the other Beyer.

7.There were lots of portable rigs to sample, from my own SM3 and Katrina SR-71 (that had good reviews all around—thanks again Tyrion and Ray), to a Go-Vibe, and a cool Porta Corda. The last was paired with an iRiver which I would like to like but the interface is for crap after years with an iPod. Prof. Anderson really should have brought his nicely constructed META amp that tipped him off as a Head-Fier when I walked into his office the other day.

8.Some great sources were here as well, from the Esoteric, to the Accuphase to my own Onix CD-1. The SACD sound out of both of the first two was stunning stuff. I don’t get to hear Pink Floyd often but The Wall and Dark Side were great. I should have pulled out some of my hybrid discs to exercise their SACD tracks a bit. I did enjoy strutting some DVD and DVD-A out of my home rig with the Arcam DV29/AV8 combo and Gallo speakers. The echo game scene of House of Flying Daggers is a stunner in 5.1 and the Ref 3s are incredibly resolving speakers, so I was happy that a bunch of head-fi nuts could appreciate sound on a larger scale.

9.OK, last but least, the HE90 and HE60. If you have gotten this far then you are a glutton for punishment and therefore a true Head-Fier. The Blue Hawaii seemed temperamental as others including its owner have stated, and it is too bad it was just a damn connector. That was unfortunate, but they still sounded great and it didn’t change the fact that both of these cans are really in another league of sound from the incredible dynamic cans in attendance. Putting on the big Daddys is like slipping into another realm. The sound was well described earlier and has been written on many other places. That electrostatic sound surrounds you and yet is seemingly not localized anywhere. Amazing thing. And the Baby Os are really so close to their pater that was intrigued. At the SJ meet I preferred the Orpheus out of the Stax amp that was there and would like to hear that again as well as the HEV70. Too bad neilvg did not have the power from Senn. Really cool cans, man. Thanks again to ayt and neilvg for bringing their precious e-stats.

OK, I think I can sleep now. Most readers are probably already asleep. Sorry for the length of this post, but I wanted to download these thoughts before they slipped away, and nobody has ever accused me of being too brief.

Cheers, and long live Head-Fi and the SF/Bay Area contingent.
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Oct 24, 2005 at 8:50 AM Post #45 of 90
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Originally Posted by Xanadu777
Yep, every plastic Grado has marks there to varying degrees. I have many, many plastic Grado cups here (every single one has marks in the same spot) including Joe Grado models and even those have the same cut off marks. If there were no marks there, then I'd be worried they weren't really Grado's
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Thanks for chiming in Larry. As my long post attests, we enjoyed several of your modded cans and cables in our meet.
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