Orthodynamic Roundup
Jun 10, 2010 at 10:24 PM Post #14,611 of 27,158

 
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Okay, Sambones, you're kidding me, right? I have a pair of those exact Koss's awaiting a SFI.  Literally the same headphones.  Maybe after I'm done we can exchange and compare?
 
Also, if anybody is gonna be ordering those bulk [fake] ESW9's, I'm interested.  Another really good headphone for SFI foster phoning is the Kanen KM880:
http://www.popbuying.com/detail.pb/sku.Kanen_Premium_Wood_Monitor_DJ_Headset_Stereo_Headphone_KM_880-25465
 
I have an extra (beater) pair with 32ohm SFI's that I can ship around if anybody wants to give it a listen.

Haha, sure. I got ones in absolutely immaculate condition, and the cable is still perfectly coiled. I bent the struts a bit, to make them clamp harder while keeping the ends of the earband off my head. I've been wearing them for about three hours now, and they're beginning to get a little uncomfortable, but definitely still wearable. Another tip would be to cut out the grate in the center, in case you weren't already planning it.
 
And, no, standing waves aren't the problem, it's the backwave. Maybe that's what you meant, anyway. A closed but ported design would attenuate the backwave the most while still allowing it to escape, and not be redirected back towards the ear.
 
Jun 10, 2010 at 10:44 PM Post #14,612 of 27,158
hey Jageur, do you happen to know the diameter of the wood cups on those?  Could be nice for T10 woodies
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Also, does anyone know a good place to order wood parts?  I've been looking at different hobby shops and stuff but haven't found anything yet.  I'm looking for wooden rings to extend the cup size of my T10's, like a grado liberator but behind the driver.  Would have to be 3" in diameter and pretty thin wood.  Also no taller than a 1/3" or so.  Just a little boost for a bigger chamber.
 
Jun 10, 2010 at 11:07 PM Post #14,613 of 27,158


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Personally, I've had the best luck in well vented (open) enclosures.  As long as the ortho is well damped, the lack of backwave mess tends to yield the most satisfying results (good extension, less spikes at certain frequencies, etc.).


Cool! I was about to panic. All of my ideas and research have gone into building an open design. Good to know it might still work out after all.
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Jun 10, 2010 at 11:17 PM Post #14,614 of 27,158
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hey Jageur, do you happen to know the diameter of the wood cups on those?  Could be nice for T10 woodies
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About 68mm (give or take 2mm).  I've gone through 3 pairs.  The quality of the cups have ranged from fantastic to average (poor QC).  The cups are relatively shallow however, maybe... 15mm? (didn't measure this one precisely).
 
Jun 10, 2010 at 11:42 PM Post #14,616 of 27,158


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Those are your YHD-1s (2s?) right?
 

sorry missed this earlier - yes those are my yhd2
 
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Cool! I was about to panic. All of my ideas and research have gone into building an open design. Good to know it might still work out after all.
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I have 2 open styled SFI's - they sound OK but they were not nearly as good to my ear as the ported design. Bass rolls off really quickly , semi open and ported allow for a little boost. Open needs to get your ear as close to the driver as possible. 
 
Regardless - your experimentation will most likely be very different to mine and if you nail the open design for an SFI , you will have made quite a discovery which we can then use to develop other open orthos. 
 
Keep us posted..dB

 
 
Jun 10, 2010 at 11:59 PM Post #14,617 of 27,158


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1) But with my CE-H's that I dodged bullets for, that's like $170 in orthoey goodness, and I'm a cheap person.
 
2) Aren't those guys supra-aural, meaning that they already are leveled to the outer-ear? Do you really need to angle the driver on supraaurals?
 
2.1) Also, could a small change in angle make a wideband difference in the outer ear's combing effects, enough to create a perception of more bass?
 

1) I agree, that's a bit much. Plus the U70's chassis is about as unsympathetic as you could possibly get for a dipole driver. So, meh. Don't let my cheap curmudgeonly mehing stop anyone from experimenting with the U70 if one plops into your lap; just realize that it will take a lot of clever re-engineering to overcome the deficits imposed by the enclosure.
2) Right, usually (some headphones rely on the squishiness of the earpads and/or outer ear). I was wondering if DAC built in any slant beyond that. There's an advantage in making the  volume enclosed by the earpads asymmetrical-- we don't want to create a nice cavity that resonates at a single frequency and we don't want to support standing waves. The Stax Lambda design is worth a ponder or two, even though it's circumaural.
2.1) because of the above, it's possible, and some experimentation is called for.
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1) This means I'm gonna need some screen material for it, maybe two offset layers of window screen glued to the driver front?
 
2) Meanwhile, HOLY Snickers, batman, they've got bass! I've got them damped with two layers of microfiber chamois imitation cloth, and the pads are those old air-filled vinyl deals, except they're circumsupra sized. I can even get my ears to pop by pressing them against my ears.

1) You don't need to have something like that unless the environment next to your head is really dicey. A layer of pantyhose-type netting should more than suffice.

2) You've obviously got a very good seal, which is helping the bass.
 
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I wonder how many folk would be interested in the esw9 - i know I would and I am sure there are more of us wanting to play with a decent yolk for the planar experiments. 
 

Folk want yolk? If I ever design a headphone, I'll name it Nigel Planar.
 
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1) But we all seemed to agree that the LCD-2 was the best compromise of all the phones there :) . It seemed to have the least overall flaws.
 
2) My personal 2nd favourite was the Aiwa HP-500. But the others there liked other cans such as the Sigma Pro (and also even dynamics :p).
 

1) Once your ears are well trained, this is about the best you can expect-- you hear the flaws but they're been dealt with so well and the overall package works so beautifully that you can hear past them.
 
2) Tsk. There's no accounting for tastes, is there.
 
How are the YH-5Ms?
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Germania owned real ESW9s and I did as well.  She said the SFI 32ohm version just spanked the real ESW9s, especially unmodded ESW9s.  She developed a pretty sweet dampening scheme for the real 9s that good rid of a lot f the bass bloom and  over powered low end, but the tuned SFIs still trumped those. 
 

I had no idea Germania was getting such promising results from the SFI. Rule Germania!
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Personally, I've had the best luck in well vented (open) enclosures.  As long as the ortho is well damped, the lack of backwave mess tends to yield the most satisfying results (good extension, less spikes at certain frequencies, etc.).

Opening the back will give you the smoothest but least-boosted highs, but then the backwave is free to cause mischief in the bass. The sealed-vented-absorptive enclosure controls the backwave better but roughs up the top end. Bottom line, most people will choose the style depending on the intended use for the 'phone. The most promise still lies, as I've always said, in an open 'phone, but with some extra care to scatter reflections, a SmeggiPuck style enclosure can work too.

 
 
Jun 11, 2010 at 2:47 AM Post #14,618 of 27,158


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Opening the back will give you the smoothest but least-boosted highs, but then the backwave is free to cause mischief in the bass. The sealed-vented-absorptive enclosure controls the backwave better but roughs up the top end. Bottom line, most people will choose the style depending on the intended use for the 'phone. The most promise still lies, as I've always said, in an open 'phone, but with some extra care to scatter reflections, a SmeggiPuck style enclosure can work too.

 

That was my thinking behind it. I figured it would smooth the highs and as long as the driver was close to the ear, the bass should be ok as well. To further help, my thought was to dampen it in such a way to scatter the reflections a certain way.
 
Man, I can't wait to put this thing together!
 
 
Jun 11, 2010 at 5:16 AM Post #14,619 of 27,158
It was great to hear so many fabulous headphones.
 
For me with the gear on the day the LCD-2 was by far the best headphone there, including the O2, which didn't bring it's reputed magic to the table (but undoubtedly with far from the best gear driving it). I wouldn't say I like the Sigma pros more than the Aiwas, rather I like them about equally - both very good and neither could touch the LCD-2, although with O2 pads on the LCD-2 it is quite similar to the Aiwas... I wonder Kabeer if you've tried the LCD-2 pads on the Aiwas?
 
My impressions of the LCD-2 - really good soundstage and natural instrument placement, wonderful presence, the frequency flatness is what makes them really convincing (as you can hear with a change of pads to a different balance). Detail and speed are very compelling but flow rather than being forced. The limitations: it's not the airiest headphone, there are other headphones which destroy them in this one department, which is fine, because they destroy those other headphones in every other way; with the equipment we had there is an ever so slightly hard quality at higher volumes, the absence of this at lower volumes makes lower volumes a preference (they are most compelling at lower volumes anyway - actually I suspect that for acoustic music, volume matching to the original music is what these headphones beg for, and for lots of acoustic music that means less volume than we're used to.) This slight hardness isn't a problem for me, I actually quite like it, but it sounds like equipment not music, and is almost certainly a reflection of the equipment we were driving them with.
 
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Had a micromeet with Lecky and another Londoner today. Didnt really get proper photos of all the gear lol. Must have been around 20-ish headphones there.
Loads of planars :).

Creek & Cyrus Amps, Aiwa to the right. Off the screen the LCD-2 is on Lecky's head. Along with some stats and orthos hanging around)

 
Basically we all had different preferenecs and tastes in music and how we generally liked out headphones tuned. But we all seemed to agree that the LCD-2 was the best compromise of all the phones there :) . It seemed to have the least overall flaws.
 
My personal 2nd favourite was the Aiwa HP-500. But the others there liked other cans such as the Sigma Pro (and also even dynamics :p).
The LCD2 definately can play in the Stax O2 league imo. But take this with a pinch of salt as I dont amp the O2 with a massive amp (and to me the price tag is too much to do so, so I'll stick with the Audeze).
 
My worst can of the day = Fostex T50rp :p. Which wasnt damped properly lol. but I hope to turn it eventually into one of the best.



 
Jun 11, 2010 at 9:25 AM Post #14,621 of 27,158


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I had no idea Germania was getting such promising results from the SFI. Rule Germania!
 

 

Hard to post results when you've been banned... 
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I stay in touch with her via email.  She wanted woodie pucks for her ESW9s, but made them herself so now she wants T20v2 woodie cups similar to TPs.  I'm going to need another block of Purpleheart for that. 
 
 
 

 
 
Jun 11, 2010 at 1:26 PM Post #14,622 of 27,158
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nice impressions Kabeer.. so when's the firesale!! 
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The hot sale has already started, Iv put up my O2. I think Im gonna sell pretty much everything in my profile now except the LCD-2 and Aiwa (actually I have 2 Aiwa's :wink: i'll have to decide if I want to sell one or not now...)
I will also keep the T50RP as the mad experimentation ortho. Otherwise everything else there is now gonna be up for sale, Iv decided not to keep a musuem of pieces any more.

 
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Is that the [size=small]YH-5M in that pile?
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Impressions and moar pics if so.

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And, Jade, that pic is probably of the Stax 003....it'd be awesome if someone managed to get ahold of a YH-5m, though.

Actually yes that is the YH-5m
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. I will post some photos and impressions forthcoming.
 
 
Jun 11, 2010 at 1:46 PM Post #14,623 of 27,158
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The hot sale has already started, Iv put up my O2. I think Im gonna sell pretty much everything in my profile now except the LCD-2 and Aiwa (actually I have 2 Aiwa's :wink: i'll have to decide if I want to sell one or not now...)
I will also keep the T50RP as the mad experimentation ortho. Otherwise everything else there is now gonna be up for sale, Iv decided not to keep a musuem of pieces any more.

 
Actually yes that is the YH-5m
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. I will post some photos and impressions forthcoming.
 

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That had better be soon. I remember hearing that one had been witnessed on a japanese site, but I don't remember anyone claiming it as theirs.
 
 

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