Exactly! That's what I am saying too. People think it's bright mainly because of that bump. However, the emphasis is not treble - it's upper, or even mid-upper mids. So MSR7 is, in proper terms, a mid centric headphone that is bright due to mid emphasis.   Quote:   Look at 100 Hz...

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  Well, ok. I was just about to post the following:   The volume of mid bass at 150 Hz relative to the highs from ~3-10 kHz is very similar between MSR7 and HD600 as you see on these graphs:   http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/SennheiserHD600.pdf...

Sure, brightness is emphasis at around 1 kHz or higher. Makes sense. Lower frequencies give body/fullness and warmth, not brightness. MSR7 is indeed bright because it emphasizes the 800Hz-2 kHz region, although I think emphasis in this region is more "shoutiness" or hardness than brightness. The...

MSR7 does sound a bit hyped and artificial due to its very forward presentation, the boost in the upper mids and a lack of soundstage, especially compared to decent open headphones. However, it's still a highly resolving, clear and tight sounding headphone. The bass, in particular, is extremely...

  I don't do recording, but I can say that MSR7 is not ideal for recording, because it's not neutral. There's a definite emphasis in the upper midrange around 800Hz-2kHz. This will likely mean that you won't be able to get your mids right in the mix, or at least it will be harder to do than...

Closed headphones have their advantages. The most important is probably bass performance. It's far easier to implement a tight and well extended low end in a closed design than an open design. In fact, right now, I can't think of an open back dynamic driver headphone that can match the low end...

  I haven't heard PM-3, but HP50 has a satisfying bass - it's tight and slightly elevated above flat. I think the bass quantity on the HP50 is about perfect. Bass quantity is also about perfect on X2, but X2 also has extra warmth in the ~300-900 kHz range and I don't like that - it adds...

Quote:   Modded or stock D2000? I disliked stock D2000. It has a lot of sub bass, but it's very bloated and intrudes into the higher frequencies. The highs on stock D2000 are too sharp, grainy and a bit steely/metallic. The mids are somewhat recessed and not very natural... I actually...

It's ironic how I tell most people how great my X2s sound and how appear very well made and durable, and mine probably are, when other X2s have build and sound quality issues. I say the "good" X2s are some of the best built headphone's I've seen and I am sure can take more abuse than HD600/650.

  It's something like that. I think grain is usually the result of peaky frequency response and/or resonances from the driver housing. It's a lack of smoothness, clarity and refinement.

I am hearing more and more complaints about manufacturing quality issues with X2 here and on other forums as well. This is sad - X2 is such a great headphone when you get a "good one." I know that the stories of manufacturing issues would make me very hesitant about getting X2 if I didn't have...

  X2 treble is a bit uneven, as there's a spike around 8-10 kHz that can make them sound extra sparkly relative to neutral response. However, it's nowhere near Grado treble spikes. Compare to Grados, X2 is a neutral reference. lol X2 highs are also very smooth with no harshness, so they won't...

  More lower treble on the Momentum. Hmm... Maybe it's some resonances or something? Frequency response shows HP50 as the one with more treble presence. Or perhaps Momentum has a more uneven treble and your ears perceive the peaks as louder than their really are, while with HP50 that doesn't...

  Bass is better defined on Fidelio X2 vs. HD600 and 650. Both Senns have slightly muddy bass. Mids and highs are clearer and more refined on HD600 and 650. Between 600 and 650, the former is clearer and more natural sounding in the highs. HD650 sounds slightly dull in the treble - not lacking...

  Apparently, Momentum is not V-shaped at all. Check out the description of the sound signature in the following link. The quote was taken from second paragraph from the top:   "...Also, on both headphones, the treble above 3kHz is a little too rolled-off..."   HP50 will have a brighter...

Hey guys, have any of you tried both HP50 and Beyer DT150? I am very interested in how they compare in sound quality. I think they look a bit similar and measurements for them also look a bit similar on Innerfidelity. Can DT150 be a more rugged, more durable alternative to the HP50?

  Thanks for the comparison. I am becoming more and more interested in the R70x.

  What do you find lacking with MSR7? If you want better soundstage/sense of space, better dynamics and a more relaxed, natural sound, I can recommend HD600 as a nice upgrade over MSR7 is those aspects. Also consider Fidelio X2 for a more open, natural sound with better dynamics, as well as...

How does this DAC pair with HD800? I find that HD800 sounds too bright and digital in the treble with PCM1792. I assume that the delta sigma design of PCM1792 may have something to do with it, as HD800 is supposed to be ultra revealing and accurate. Does the Bifrost multibit make HD800 treble...

  What source did you use with them? I find HP50 to have plenty of tight sub bass presence with my Fiio X5 headphone out, Fiio E12A or JDS O2. When the headphone is being powered by lower quality amps, the sub bass can lack some tightness in the sub bass and so the region may seem lacking. I...

@ FullBright1: Let's just agree to disagree. I would prefer not to continue this conversation. Enjoy your headphones. I would like to try out the R70x sometime in the future. For now, I enjoy my MSR7 and other headphones. BTW, have you tried NAD HP50, Fidelio X2, HD600 and HD800? If so, can you...

  That's impressive of course. Surely I can put more trust in your opinion on headphones than in that of an average joe. However, in your previous post, you stated that headphones are judged based only on consensus of their owners and never on measurements and it's similar with cars. I assume...

    What do guys you think about studio monitors and accurate sound? Can people who don't enjoy the sound of studio monitors record good music using whatever other kind of audio equipment they do like, such as Beats or iBuds? Surely, it will sound good to other people who also like that...

  So why do studio monitors exist and why are they used by most professional musicians? In photography, why do expensive cameras exist that can do 12 MP+. Why not use a 2 MP camera for everything and just be content with it? Why use a monitor with accurate color coverage? Who cares about some...