Which one - Paradisea or Dac-60

Oct 25, 2006 at 5:55 PM Thread Starter Post #1 of 16

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I am going to order a new Dac this week and have finally narrowed it down to either the MHDT Paradisea or the Lite Dac-60. I want a tubed dac and I have read endless reviews of both and both seem very highly recommended, I just have never read a comparison of the two and am not sure which one to pick. The Paradisea has that NOS sound which I often like, but the dac-60 is easily and cheaply modded making potentially a real heavy hitter. I just don't know, so I ask - which one would you choose and why? Thanks.
 
Oct 25, 2006 at 9:29 PM Post #2 of 16
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Originally Posted by Scifiguy
I am going to order a new Dac this week and have finally narrowed it down to either the MHDT Paradisea or the Lite Dac-60. I want a tubed dac and I have read endless reviews of both and both seem very highly recommended, I just have never read a comparison of the two and am not sure which one to pick. The Paradisea has that NOS sound which I often like, but the dac-60 is easily and cheaply modded making potentially a real heavy hitter. I just don't know, so I ask - which one would you choose and why? Thanks.



I don't think I could ever go back to an oversampling DAC, there is a big difference between a filterless NOS DAC like the Paradisea and the DAC-60.
I have a DAC-AH from Lite. They made a huge mistake in the output resistance for the passive I/V which causes clipping. I would not trust Lite to build any DAC correctly after that. Here is their Business philosophy: copy, copy, copy and lower voltages if you have warranty issues. They don't understand DAC circuit design in that if you lower the DAC supply voltage you must change a few resistor values. That just tells me they don't know what they're doing as it wouldn't have added any cost. That said if you have a solid knowledge of digital circuit design and don't want to start from scratch a Lite DAC and a soldering station can be a great deal and a lot of fun.
 
Oct 26, 2006 at 2:02 AM Post #3 of 16
I can't speak for the DAC-AH, but I ordered a modified DAC-60M from pacific valve and was extremely satisfied. I replaced the output capacitors and put in some good NOS E288CC's and it sounded just awesome. In fact, I'm sorry I got rid of it when I did.

I'm considering getting a DAC-62 (just a heavily modified DAC-60) from Pacific Valve, but might go in the direction of the MHDT Paradisea to try something new.
 
Oct 26, 2006 at 5:33 AM Post #4 of 16
I haven't heard the DAC 60, but in general when comparing a non-oversampling DAC to an oversampling DAC in a similiar price range, the oversampling DAC is going to have greater detail, sound more in your face, and may be harsh and bright at times. A NOS dac its going to be more laid back. However, i do feel the Paradisea has very good detail with a good tube, and it isn't too harsh. I had the Great March (an oversampling dac) for a few weeks and I remember i couldn't stand listening to violins played in the higher octaves, just because i like my classical more smooth. If you have the oppurtunity i would listen to a NOS dac and compare it to an oversampling dac just so you can really understand the NOS flavor.

I am just regurgitating info i have read on the forum, but to my understanding an oversampling dac chip uses an algorithim to "interpret" the music, and seperates the points of sound making them more distinct. I feel as though this principle behind the technology of an oversampling DAC is pretty analogous to how the music sounds. That is, the different instruments and notes do sound very distinct from each other and this creates an atmosphere where every detail is very pronounced. Whether or not you want the Dac 60 or the Paradisea is probably dependant on whether a "detail pronounced atmosphere" is a desirable quality in a DAC for you. Personally, it gets on my nerves in most cases, but some people like it.
 
Oct 27, 2006 at 2:25 AM Post #6 of 16
Hello,

I don't have any experience with Tube gear but I am really interested in the Paradisea as well. I was wondering how difficult is it to replace the tube in this unit? Is it a simple drop in a go or is it more involving. I know with amps there are multiple steps but it seems as if this should be a simple swap since it is only one Tube. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Edit: One more question to anyone who own's the DAC. Is it easy to take the top off to replace the tube? Any special tools required?
 
Oct 27, 2006 at 9:07 PM Post #7 of 16
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Originally Posted by DaNuS
Hello,

I don't have any experience with Tube gear but I am really interested in the Paradisea as well. I was wondering how difficult is it to replace the tube in this unit? Is it a simple drop in a go or is it more involving. I know with amps there are multiple steps but it seems as if this should be a simple swap since it is only one Tube. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Edit: One more question to anyone who own's the DAC. Is it easy to take the top off to replace the tube? Any special tools required?



No special tools required to remove the tube from the tube socket. I don't know what tools are required to open the case though. Probably a hex wrench I'm guessing.
 
Oct 28, 2006 at 6:10 PM Post #8 of 16
Thanks for all the help. I think I have decided on the dac-60 for its ability to work with more fomats and its aesthetics. Anyway, what about the Dac-62 that LeChuck mentioned above? It seems to have quite a few mods and upgraded tubes, but what do you think about Pacific Valves work, versus say the soniccraft dac-60 mods from GR-Research? Thanks.
 
Oct 29, 2006 at 6:22 PM Post #9 of 16
To chime in
I have just received my MHDT Paradisea. I immediately rolled the tube to a WE 396. (by the way rolling the tube is about as difficult as changing an RCA cable. It is easy to get to)
I can only compare to three other DACs
1) the DAC in my Denon HT receiver 3805 (yuck)
2) Internal DAC in my APL modified pioneer 563a (good, was my main source until the transport died)
3) Ack! dAck 2.0 (belongs to my buddy) About the same as my Pioneer. A little smoother on the high end than the pioneer, bass and vocals about the same.
I am a tube man all the way so I am sure this colors my impressions.
I was going to purchase the attraction DAC, but fell for the Storm BS, lost $500, so only had $500 left in my budget. I won the Paradiesa on EBAy for 436 plus 35 shipping.
Received in about 5 days. Well packed. Nice to look at.
I must admit I am not full of adjectives, and I can't hear every cable change or the addition of vibrapods or anything like that. I can hear some tube changes and in this case I can hear the Paradisea.
Great unit. Deep full bass, No digital Glare. I am listening to the Cowboy Junkies and Margo Timmins is singing just for me.
Great purchase. Give it strong consideration.
I wish I could compare it to other DACs but that is all I have. This is the best my system has sounded.
I am kind of sad right now. I do not feel I need to make more changes in my system. I may have to sit back and enjoy the music instead of reading these Forums.
My last gasp is that I have an elpacPS and SB3 digital modifications getting done by Wayne at Boulder and then I am done.
Enjoy what ever you do
When your system is just right, ahhh.
Ron

"Red hair and black leather, my favorite color scheme"
 
Oct 29, 2006 at 7:58 PM Post #10 of 16
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Originally Posted by dcktr
To chime in
impressions.
I was going to purchase the attraction DAC, but fell for the Storm BS, lost $500, so only had $500 left in my budget. I won the Paradiesa on EBAy for 436 plus 35 shipping.

Enjoy what ever you do
When your system is just right, ahhh.
Ron

"Red hair and black leather, my favorite color scheme"



I feel for your Storm loss. I was lucky enough to recover my $$ via my CC company. Congrats on your Paradisea purchase, though. Who knows, maybe Paradisea sounds better than the Storm (had you received it)
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Oct 30, 2006 at 3:00 AM Post #12 of 16
Well, of course YMMV
My listening session was about 2, 2 hour sessions.
I hope that psychoacoustics did not play too big of a role.
The bass was the only place where the Paradisea clearly excelled over the ack.
More emotional experience with P, more definition with the Ack
Soundstage wider and deeper with the P, Ack was crisper
Both seemed true to the music, just in a different way.
Neither was fatiguing.
I think matching to the rest of your system and musical tastes would be the real way to determine which is “better for you.”
Drink your coffee black and strong – Ack
Drink your non-fat latte – Paradisea
Hope that helps.
 
Oct 30, 2006 at 5:55 AM Post #14 of 16
OK, I just ordered a dac-60m from pacific valve. I am really excited. Anyway, now my question is what tubes should I get since I here the stock ones are really poor quality? This is my first tubed gear and could use some advise on what to look for. Thanks.
 

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