when to recap an amp?

Mar 10, 2019 at 4:11 AM Thread Starter Post #1 of 4

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How can one decide to recap an amp when there's no obvious problems yet?
(e.g. no bulging caps, no real sound issues)
I can assume that the sound could change very gradually over time, making detecting the need for recapping harder.

Is there a rule of the thumb for 'modern' amps like e.g. a NAD C320BEE?
 
Mar 10, 2019 at 1:55 PM Post #2 of 4
How can one decide to recap an amp when there's no obvious problems yet?
(e.g. no bulging caps, no real sound issues)
I can assume that the sound could change very gradually over time, making detecting the need for recapping harder.

Is there a rule of the thumb for 'modern' amps like e.g. a NAD C320BEE?

No hard rules on that beyond a general "if nothing is obviously crap about it, maybe don't try it."

Otherwise while I wouldn't necessarily advise swapping in some Mundorfs or Nichicons, if you want to see what happens and you can find a way to squeeze Mundorfs in there, then sure go ahead.

Note though that in all likelihood if there are no caps in the actual signal path and the power caps are already Panasonics chances are there will only be a slightly blacker background. If you do hear louder bass it's because of the lowered, indistinct and in practice you'd think it was inaudible noise, and not necessarily because you get a faster slew rate from swapping in Mundorf power caps and the like.

On a side note, I tried a crap Chinese made preamp before, and before I swapped out the Shuguangs the local audio store put some Mundorfs on sale so I picked those up and replace the solid ceramic caps that people said are supposedly good. Mundorfs had more body with no noise penalty. But if I had to pay full price for the Mundorfs I probably would have tried Mullard tubes first instead.
 
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Mar 10, 2019 at 7:58 PM Post #3 of 4
How can one decide to recap an amp when there's no obvious problems yet?
(e.g. no bulging caps, no real sound issues)
I can assume that the sound could change very gradually over time, making detecting the need for recapping harder.

Is there a rule of the thumb for 'modern' amps like e.g. a NAD C320BEE?

30 years is the general rule for electrolytics. Almost all of them will dry up by that time. That's what they do - dry up. The caps won't bulge or give any outward appearance of being bad - they'll just have little to no electrolyte inside them anymore.

If the amp is between 10 and 20 years, then it's probably best to leave it alone. Even with 30 year electronics, you may have to replace all of them before noticing a significant difference. Younger than that, and the work is probably not worth it. JMHO.

Film caps are different. They don't go bad. So if you are wanting to change them, use a much higher quality cap if you expect to hear a difference.

The most obvious place for replacement is if any of the caps are in the signal path. Refer to the schematic for help on that. You can look up many vintage amps on HiFiEngine.com. If you do have some in the signal path, then try replacing them, first. If film, then a Mundorf or Auricap - sometimes even a Wima box cap - may make a big difference. If they're electrolytic, go ahead and try an audio quality electrolytic cap such as Nichicon ES, FG, or KZ, or an Elna Silmic RFS II. Look carefully, though, if your vintage piece of equipment was of high quality, it may already have caps such as those.

I've rebuilt several old Sony tuners, both ES and non-ES. The ES actually had Elna in many signal path positions. The non-ES even had Nichicon ES (not related to the "ES" in Sony ES equipment). In some cases, if the electrolytic cap is in the signal path, you may get good results by bypassing them with a Wima box cap or better still - a Vitamin Q or similar. Typical values for bypass caps are 0.1uf to 0.3uf to get good results.

Good luck!
 

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