What to upgrade on my hifi system?

Dec 28, 2011 at 1:24 AM Thread Starter Post #1 of 4

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I am looking to upgrade my HIFI system in which ever way would give me the biggest audio improvements. My goal is to have a very clean quality system for music playback but i don't know what is the bottleneck of the system. I know that for music the rear and center speakers wont be used.
 
My equipment:
Reciever: Pioneer vsx-820-k
Front Speakers: Polk Monitor40
Center: Polk CS2
Rear Speakers: Polk Monitor30
Sub: PSW10
Sorce: iPod (Digital in to the reciever)
 
Dec 30, 2011 at 11:39 AM Post #2 of 4
If you want to go for a clean sounding setup for music playback you might have bought the wrong equipment to begin with I am affraid. 5.1 is never clean and musical. Last month I went a guy who had B&W 800 speakers(floorstanders) in 5.1 setup and it sounded like crap IMHO. And it should, considering interference will kill every audio setup. If you want balanced sound go for 2.0 or 2.1. I use 2.1 but I have a B&W ASW750 which is closed and better for music than your open design PSW10. Moreover a receiver never sounds nearly as good as a stereo amp around the same pricepoint. Receivers have way to much gimicks. Your setup is more likely to sound good for movies or be used for party's and blast electronic/dance music. If you create a 2.1 setup by using only the front speakers and the sub for music what's the point of having 5? If I where you I would sell all of the equipment to buy something like the Totem rainmakers or arro's with a decent stereo amp. If I ever upgrade my Elac's I'll probably go for Totem's. My speakers are bright(flat frequency response) but the Totems take it to the next level. And they have wicked stereo imaging. With the totem's you won't be able to throw a party though. That's why I stick with the ELAC's (and I am dead broke:P), ELAC's can't be overpowered.
Your setup, IMHO, isn't capable of high fidelity by a long shot. I've spend hundreds of euro's on cables (speaker, interlinks, power) because that makes al the difference when it comes to realism. It takes a lot to get a glimps of fidelity. Whether you believe in cables is up to you but in my 'wisdom' I would say you would have to go a looooong way to reach high fidelity. But if you feel like your system sounds good I would stick to that feeling. Is always can be better. I think my setup is pretty good but compared to my dad's its an absolute joke.
Ofcourse it would be ridiculous to sell your equipment but you might want to consider to buy components wich can be used in a future stereo setup. For instance, you could buy the NAC A5 speakers cables for the front's which will last a life time. These are very musical cables, very warm and soft but miss a bit of treble extension. Perfect for Totems and for classical/jazz. The best thing is that they are cheap. I've got QED silver anniversary which are blown away by the naim cables, the QED's are about twice as expensive. But your front speakers don't look like they will really appreciate good wireing I am affraid. In that case you could buy a cd-player. A good cdp is essential for real hifi. It will make everything much more precise and tight with more air around the instruments. But only when combined with a good interlink. The W&M ac-01 is very very good, and it costs only 90euro's. Personally I like Arcam cd-players, I've got the CD92. It will be the very last thing I will ever upgrade, it's that good. A dedicated DAC might be an option to if you think CD's are a old medium or whatever. The problem with these boxes is that they wil suffer from digital ditter. A cdp is completely independent and is designed to create a constant bit flow. This makes cdp's very delicate. They have got to be placed in a vibration free environment. If I make the slightest jump next to my cdp the cd skips like 5 seconds. Keep this in mind. 

 
 
Dec 30, 2011 at 11:57 AM Post #3 of 4
The system I currently have works great for movies and the like, but now I want towable a great sound system for music. I don't mind buying a different set of speakers for this, or a different amp etc, I want something that can grow with me as my budget allows. 
 
Jan 1, 2012 at 3:18 PM Post #4 of 4
So what is your budget at the moment? A setup which can play music is also good for films IMO. Where do you live btw, that will determine what kind of equipment you can choose from. In the end it's al about going to the store and take a listen.
 
I like very 'bright'/transparent, aka neutral, speakers for instance. But a lot of people like B&W or whatever which have a lot of warmth. If you look at the frequency response of headphones you'll see that most people like to have a bit less volume around 4-8kHz(no harsh volcals, hissing 'S'). Supposingly people can't bear 'piercing treble' but choosing for a 'save' sound is also choosing for a boring sound IMO. This is al up to you. Some speakers however have a lot 15-20kHz to create an open sound. Like the paradigm monitors. This should be achieved with good phase behaviour, a lot of treble can be fatiqueing. They give a false impression and any bit of neutrallity is sacrificed in the process. I little extra highs isn't that bad though, my Elac's also have a little extra highs but due room acoustics this flattens out. They actually sound very dry.
 
Upgrading speakers will do a lot of good in your system I think. If you spend around 300euro per speaker you'll be able to buy something capable of getting some 'wow' factor. I was looking at 200/speaker but that won't get you mature/hifi sound in my experience. If I say capable I mean that there is more than just speakers to it. In your case I would keep the receiver for the moment, unless you have the money to upgrade both amp/speakers. A new amp alone won't give you an immediate upgrade because I think your speakers will really bottleneck. Which was your question in the first place. Different speakers ofcourse wil give a different sound right away. Don't under estimate amps though, a different amp might sound completely different. If you switch between my dad's naim amp and my marantz you might just think you are listening to some different speakers. The difference is that big. So upgrading your amp(to a stereo amp) would be the next step.
 
A system will sound only as good as the signal it plays so a investing in a good source after you've got the amp/speakers settled would not be a unlogical choice. The pro about your receiver is the DAC. it probably sounds better with the digital in than any amp directly feeded by a ipod. A ipod sounds very very bad. I've got the touch 4g and it's rediculous. The ultrasone hfi-2200 sounds like a piece of crap powered by it. Feeded by my cdp/amp it's al of a sudden an amazing piece of equipment. If you've got a tv with line-out that might be a sollution but now I am ahead of the situation.
 
A roomate of my brother has got a very expensive receiver (yamaha), more expensive than my amp, and he says it's crap. numbers don't say a lot but almost every receiver meassures very badly. My amp is 200euro's more expensive than your receiver and has 0,009%THD+N compared to 1%THD (no noise incalculated). A frequency response of 1,4Hz - 280kHz compaired to the 5Hz - 100kHz your reciever is capable of. Ofcourse harmonic distortion is not necessairly a bad thing and who cares about tones not within 20Hz-20kHz but It shows stereo amps are really made for sound reproduction. Where your receiver has almost twice the power, 70W compared to 130W, it seems like receiver is more focussed on showing of. 130W is rediculous because I can play music here louder than the average nightclub, average(loud) listening consumes about 1,5W. So a receiver is good on the wrong specs where a stereo amp is good in the important specs. This is why you should be very seriously consider going stereo instead of 5.1. My dad's naim amps however measure a lot worse as both of our amps and it sounds better than my amp by a long shot. This is why I said numbers don't say a lot, they are merely numbers. Go to the store and listen to some amps to find out what sounds good to you the moment you are ready to upgrade.
 

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