[Duncan]

Yay!

Thanks for hosting the piccies Bangraman...

...Damn, I didn't even see the biscuits... maybe next time

Hmm... Orpheus, How I love thee so

 

[ayt999]

sounds like a great meet, and the pictures are great (though somewhat blurred). thanks for the info, now please resume your commentaries on the equipment.

 

[TrevorNetwork]

Is it possible to have more impressions of the Omega II vs. the big O and the R10?

Cheers!

Trevor

 

[jatinder]

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Originally Posted by TrevorNetwork Is it possible to have more impressions of the Omega II vs. the big O and the R10? Cheers! Trevor

Hi Trevor,

If you do a search of the forums, you'll find my comments on the Orpheus/Omega II and R10.

I'd definitely like to try the Omega II with a Blue Hawaii or weebl thingy - or even a Nik-special Egmont. But to my ears, the OmegaII/007t combo is just too flawed to stand up against the R10/Angstrom or the Orpheus.

(Listening to the OmegaII/007t at the meet with the R10 & Orpheus close by - did nothing to change my opinion.)

--Jatinder

 

[daycart1]

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Originally Posted by Duncan ...Damn, I didn't even see the biscuits... maybe next time

Hahaha, "biscuits". You Brits crack me up. I suppose they arrived on a "lorrie". But you do know how to put on a great meet!

 

[Rob N]

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Originally Posted by daycart1 Hahaha, "biscuits". You Brits crack me up. I suppose they arrived on a "lorrie". But you do know how to put on a great meet!

I think you mean 'lorry'

 

[fewtch]

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Originally Posted by jatinder Hi Amit, Yes you're right -- I too am not amazed by the R10/Angstrom nor by the Orpheus. I have been amazed in the past by the CD3000, W2002 and the Omega II/007t. I think that this comes down to naturalness and that many people don't understand the value of it.

Agreed! The first meet I attended (see link in my .sig), I heard some phones that sounded amazing, but when I heard the HD580 and HD600 they sounded really boring. However, the HD580 was the only high end phone I could afford at the time, so I picked up a pair a couple weeks later. I really expected nothing but a "boring" phone to listen to classical music with -- at this point I was new to head-fi and didn't know anything of the reputation of the higher-end Senns (or any of the others, really). For the first day or two of initial break-in I didn't know what to think, but after three or four days of listening I knew these were the cans for me, period.

From here, naturalness is really everything. Initially amazing-sounding headphones can very quickly become boring, but boring headphones can begin to sound amazing, and stay amazing. Of course the Senn sound is a matter of taste, but I was just using it as an example here. Based on my experience, I'd say that a pair of cans that sound unengaging in a meet setting deserve a serious audition

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P.S. looks like it was a great meet, and glad you guys had a good time. Nice to see amps being powered by battery packs too

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[archosman]

My bet is the pcdp in the gray bag...

is a Sony D-NE1. At least mine has the same bag.

 

[bangraman]

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Originally Posted by jatinder Hi Trevor, If you do a search of the forums, you'll find my comments on the Orpheus/Omega II and R10. I'd definitely like to try the Omega II with a Blue Hawaii or weebl thingy - or even a Nik-special Egmont. But to my ears, the OmegaII/007t combo is just too flawed to stand up against the R10/Angstrom or the Orpheus. (Listening to the OmegaII/007t at the meet with the R10 & Orpheus close by - did nothing to change my opinion.) --Jatinder

As with the Orpheus, I'm wondering how much of the sound is in the amp and how much of it is in the phones. To me the 007/007t is basically a souped up DT880 which suits me fine for now. I'm looking with interest to the NYC meet where all the amps I'm interested in will be there. I hope there's detailed comparisons, especially from owners of one amp over another.

 

[TrevorNetwork]

Bangraman:

"Souped up" DT880's? Beyer-Dynamic DT880's? I beg to differ. The Omega II's, atleast in my setup do not resemble the DT880's in any way. I do draw parallels to the HP-2 sound, but definitely not DT880 sound. I respectfully ask you to explain your position.


Jatinder:

Why do you feel the Omega II's are "too flawed" to compare? I have heard the R10's, and the baby O (Admittedly not the big O), and I feel the Omega II's are quite superior to both. Please explain the "too flawed" statement.

Cheers!

Trevor

 

[jatinder]

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrevorNetwork Jatinder: Why do you feel the Omega II's are "too flawed" to compare? I have heard the R10's, and the baby O (Admittedly not the big O), and I feel the Omega II's are quite superior to both. Please explain the "too flawed" statement. Cheers! Trevor

Hi Trevor,

I don't think I said that the Omega IIs are "too flawed to compare" - just that they were "too flawed" to my ears.

I had an Omega II/007t along with an R10/HP4 and an Orpheus. All three were completely standard and had been used well (ie. burned in).

When I first listened to the OmegaII/007t combo, I believed that it outclassed the R10/HP4 and the Orpheus - the Stax combo was just simply superb.

After listening to the Stax for several hours a day for several days with all kinds of music, I started to become irritated and annoyed by them. The problem was that there was just too much bass and there appeared to be a lack of treble resulting in an overall dark sound. I admit that I did not tweak anything in order to see if cables etc would fix it - feeling that my existing setup (speaker & headphone) didn't exhibit any darkness.

After that discovery, whenever I listened to the Stax, I would become increasingly irritated by the unnaturalness of the sound and this was happening sooner and sooner. It got to the point, that whenever I put them on, after a few minutes I would have to take them off and go to the Orpheus or R10.

Overall, the R10 & Orpheus were much easier to listen to. The Orpheus can be a little too revealing and sometimes is just a bit too bass shy with some recordings - but I can live with it. The R10 can be a bit bass shy sometimes too - and doesn't have the neutrality/transparency of the Orpheus - but again I can live with it. I couldn't live with the Stax because of the tonal imbalance that it presented - which for me, only became apparent after spending a fair amount of dedicated time with it. That's why I say it's too flawed.

I'd agree that the Stax (to my ears) was in many ways "superior" to the R10 and the Orpheus - hence why I instantly fell in love with it. However it is also in some ways "inferior" to the R10/Orpheus and the inferiorities far outweighed the superiorities - hence my quickie divorce from the Stax.

--Jatinder

 

[bangraman]

Trevornetwork, perhaps you didn't drive the DT880 with a high-power tube amp like the RKV... because that's what I'm hearing. Extended highs, no particular stick-out frequencies, a good/acceptable but not over strong bass with the emphasis on detail and placement rather than a huge width.


I must admit Jatinder that I've not experienced a lack of treble with the O2. If anything, sometimes it can be a little too trebly... just like the DT880.


From my very short listen of both Orpheus and R10, I see what jatinder's saying when he says both are easier to listen to than the O2+SR-007t. I'd like to get more ear time with both to confirm but both are very lush and natural in their rendition, whereas the O2 like the higher-strung dynamics sounds a little clenched, although it's still able to deliver instrumentation with a natural timbre.


Seeing as an Orpheus is a little bigger jump than I'm prepared to make (unless there's one for around £4000... anyone?) I'll probably try and settle on one of the KG amps in the end. For now I'm quite happy since unlike jatinder most of my listening is portable, so what I look for in the main home system is a good degree of musicality but probably a higher balance in favour of technical capability.

 

[bangraman]

Double post. Posting on Head-Fi and the number of time the page comes up as unavailable is really beginning to annoy.