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This morning, one of my Isabellina HPA customers (headfi memeber "decur") came to visit me at Red Wine Audio. He brought his Isabellina HPA (with approx. 150 hours burn-in), along with some very nice headphones:
- Sony R10s
- Senn HD800s
- Denon D-7000s
Sources were our Macbooks, and using decur's Polestar USB cable to feed the USB input of his Isabellina HPA. We played a wide variety of music, covering rock, jazz, classical, folk, and stuff in between. Our listening meet only lasted a few hours (we both had to get back to work - it was a busy Friday!), but it was a lot of fun and we could very easily hear the differences between all three of these headphones being fed by the HPA. We would basically pick some tracks and each take turns listening to them, and then switched headphones and compared what we heard and jotted down some notes so we didn't forget our impressions.
Please note that these were just our findings using the Isabellina HPA as the dac/headphone amp with these headphones. Also, please takes this all with a grain of salt, and your findings (even with the same equipment) may vary and this it to be expected. In no way is this meant to be a formal review. These are just brief and to-the-point findings of our listening session this morning:
Sony R10s (no longer in production, hard to find on the used market, and expensive!):
- Offered the richest tone our of the three headphones. Total "tone mongers!"
- Nice soundstage that we would say is on par with the HD800s, but not identical. We found that the R10's soundstage went a little deeper, while the HD800's soundstage was a little wider.
- Offered more bass than the HD800
- Best midrange of the three
- Overall, most balanced sound and sounded fantastic with pretty much everything we threw at them.
Senn HD-800s (MSRP of $1399 - in-production)
- Definitely the most transparent of the three
- They were also the most revealing. The HD800 just unravel the finest details in the recording on the macro and micro levels, and they do it with such a crystal clear quality that is most impressive!
- Offered the widest soundstage and the most "3-D" sounding of the three.
- We found the HD800s to be the most accurate overall.
- The bass was lighter than the other two, but it was very tight and accurate.
- Less warmth and "lushness" in the midrange vs. the R10s, but again, more accuracy.
- More dynamics than the R10s
- Really excelled with the jazz and classical tracks that we played
The HD800s left us wondering how they will sound with a cable change. Ken at ALO is working on a few prototypes, and if he can get the right wire that can fill in the bass a little more and add just a touch more "sweetness" to the top end, these are going to be very hard to beat! Knowing Ken, he is going to work hard at this and will do us proud!
EDIT: Ken has been hard at work (as usual) and I'm really looking forward to hearing the HD800s with this!
http://www.head-fi.org/forums/5935477-post15.html
Denon D-7000 (MSRP of $1000 and in-production)
- These by far had the "thickest," heaviest bass. At times, I found it to be too much and there was this "over-hang" of the bass. You'd hear the fundamental, but there was almost this extra reverb-quality of the bass that followed. The heavy bass kind of mixed into the midrange a bit.
- We also found the upper midrange had a bit of a boost, or peak to it - bringing a little more "forwardness" to it.
- These were tonally richer in the midrange than the HD800s, but still not quite as rich and seductive as the R10s
- There was less transparency and extension with these than the HD800s, but perhaps more than the R10s.
- The D7000s also seemed to have the smallest soundstage of the three, but it was still quite good for closed headphones
- For rock and electronica, these were more fun than the others at times. I wouldn't call them accurate headphones like the HD800s, or as balanced and seductive sounding as the R10s, but they still were impressive to listen to and I can see why some really love them (especially if you like bass that is very present!)
Wrap-up
It would have been nice if we both had more time to listen (with even more music), but these are our impressions that we walked away with today. I know decur loves his R10s the most, but he also told me that he is not looking to part with his HD800s or D7000s anytime soon. Each is its own specialized instrument to hear deep into a performance and experience it in a different way, and I can see why many have (or would like to have) a few different pairs of reference-level headphones to play with. I don't think there is one "best" headphone for everything, and there are times when our moods and tastes just want a different listening experience... just like with wine
Most importantly, it was a pleasure to meet with Decur, a happy RWA customer who happens to live less than an hour away. He mentioned that he will be posting detailed Isabellina HPA impressions soon - he is just waiting to exceed the 200+ hour mark on the burn-in time. Decur also owns an Amphora, and knows very well how the Vcaps take their time to stabilize and really show off what they are all about. But he can hear the difference that the 12V SLA battery (and silver in cotton wiring in the signal path) bring to the Isabellina HPA, and what a difference the burn-in time makes...
Thanks for your time in reading this post, and I look forward to your feedback and discussion!
Vinnie
This morning, one of my Isabellina HPA customers (headfi memeber "decur") came to visit me at Red Wine Audio. He brought his Isabellina HPA (with approx. 150 hours burn-in), along with some very nice headphones:
- Sony R10s
- Senn HD800s
- Denon D-7000s
Sources were our Macbooks, and using decur's Polestar USB cable to feed the USB input of his Isabellina HPA. We played a wide variety of music, covering rock, jazz, classical, folk, and stuff in between. Our listening meet only lasted a few hours (we both had to get back to work - it was a busy Friday!), but it was a lot of fun and we could very easily hear the differences between all three of these headphones being fed by the HPA. We would basically pick some tracks and each take turns listening to them, and then switched headphones and compared what we heard and jotted down some notes so we didn't forget our impressions.
Please note that these were just our findings using the Isabellina HPA as the dac/headphone amp with these headphones. Also, please takes this all with a grain of salt, and your findings (even with the same equipment) may vary and this it to be expected. In no way is this meant to be a formal review. These are just brief and to-the-point findings of our listening session this morning:
Sony R10s (no longer in production, hard to find on the used market, and expensive!):
- Offered the richest tone our of the three headphones. Total "tone mongers!"
- Nice soundstage that we would say is on par with the HD800s, but not identical. We found that the R10's soundstage went a little deeper, while the HD800's soundstage was a little wider.
- Offered more bass than the HD800
- Best midrange of the three
- Overall, most balanced sound and sounded fantastic with pretty much everything we threw at them.
Senn HD-800s (MSRP of $1399 - in-production)
- Definitely the most transparent of the three
- They were also the most revealing. The HD800 just unravel the finest details in the recording on the macro and micro levels, and they do it with such a crystal clear quality that is most impressive!
- Offered the widest soundstage and the most "3-D" sounding of the three.
- We found the HD800s to be the most accurate overall.
- The bass was lighter than the other two, but it was very tight and accurate.
- Less warmth and "lushness" in the midrange vs. the R10s, but again, more accuracy.
- More dynamics than the R10s
- Really excelled with the jazz and classical tracks that we played
The HD800s left us wondering how they will sound with a cable change. Ken at ALO is working on a few prototypes, and if he can get the right wire that can fill in the bass a little more and add just a touch more "sweetness" to the top end, these are going to be very hard to beat! Knowing Ken, he is going to work hard at this and will do us proud!
EDIT: Ken has been hard at work (as usual) and I'm really looking forward to hearing the HD800s with this!
http://www.head-fi.org/forums/5935477-post15.html
Denon D-7000 (MSRP of $1000 and in-production)
- These by far had the "thickest," heaviest bass. At times, I found it to be too much and there was this "over-hang" of the bass. You'd hear the fundamental, but there was almost this extra reverb-quality of the bass that followed. The heavy bass kind of mixed into the midrange a bit.
- We also found the upper midrange had a bit of a boost, or peak to it - bringing a little more "forwardness" to it.
- These were tonally richer in the midrange than the HD800s, but still not quite as rich and seductive as the R10s
- There was less transparency and extension with these than the HD800s, but perhaps more than the R10s.
- The D7000s also seemed to have the smallest soundstage of the three, but it was still quite good for closed headphones
- For rock and electronica, these were more fun than the others at times. I wouldn't call them accurate headphones like the HD800s, or as balanced and seductive sounding as the R10s, but they still were impressive to listen to and I can see why some really love them (especially if you like bass that is very present!)
Wrap-up
It would have been nice if we both had more time to listen (with even more music), but these are our impressions that we walked away with today. I know decur loves his R10s the most, but he also told me that he is not looking to part with his HD800s or D7000s anytime soon. Each is its own specialized instrument to hear deep into a performance and experience it in a different way, and I can see why many have (or would like to have) a few different pairs of reference-level headphones to play with. I don't think there is one "best" headphone for everything, and there are times when our moods and tastes just want a different listening experience... just like with wine
Most importantly, it was a pleasure to meet with Decur, a happy RWA customer who happens to live less than an hour away. He mentioned that he will be posting detailed Isabellina HPA impressions soon - he is just waiting to exceed the 200+ hour mark on the burn-in time. Decur also owns an Amphora, and knows very well how the Vcaps take their time to stabilize and really show off what they are all about. But he can hear the difference that the 12V SLA battery (and silver in cotton wiring in the signal path) bring to the Isabellina HPA, and what a difference the burn-in time makes...
Thanks for your time in reading this post, and I look forward to your feedback and discussion!
Vinnie