SB Live! 24-bit not for AMD?

[BodiesOfLight]

I bought one of these cards a month and a half ago or so and I started having these weird random blue screen crashes. I updated the divers from the ones on the disc, which I heard you should do... It just started doing this and that was the last change in hardware I've done since when it started so I figured the card might be the problem.

Further digging and I read AMD systems (VIA chipsets) aren't very compatible with these cards, is this true?

 

[Bones13]

Most problems with sound cards, that relate to CPU, involve the BIOS of the Motherboard. PCI interrupt sharing is rampant in most systems, and results in many of the errors.

1) Try the audiocard (with latest drivers) in various slots in your machine
2) Be sure to be doing all your testing of your add in audio card with any on the motherboard units disabled in BIOS, and with the drivers removed from your system.

3) Update your motherboard BIOS and the chipset drivers if you have not done so in awhile. This tends to correct most problems.
4) Be sure there are no "firmware" updates for your hardware.

5) Sometimes updating your other device drivers will solve errors in an unanticipated fashion.

When I build my current rig (AMD 64 4400+ and an XFi) I thought I was totally incapable of putting a computer together anymore. (I have built a bunch) The unexpected problem was the XFi Board. This was causing the error, which I was attributing to other components. When I took it out, the system loaded just fine. After reading the ABIT boards, I learned that the BIOS that came on the motherboard would not run the XFi board. After loading the new bios, I had no troubles with it either.

I have also had random errors occur with a faulty memory module, so this is another thing to swap out if you have a well running computer to put the good memory in from.

I am NOT aware that current computers can not run your card. Look into other factors. Although to be honest, my computers all run nForce boards, and I have not used a VIA chipset for awhile.

 

[BodiesOfLight]

I haven't updated my BIO since I put my computer together (like 5 months ago or so), so I'll try that.

 

[BodiesOfLight]

I flashed the BIOS with the new update and when rebooting a message came up with something about cmos bad and press F2 for settings or F3 for dafault settings and continue, I did the default and it proceeded. What was that all about?

 

[JahJahBinks]

Did you reset CMOS after flashing BIOS?

 

[BodiesOfLight]

I think it did that automaticly when I flashed the BIOS with the Asus BIOupdate utility. Though I'm not totally sure, do I need to go into the BIOS to do that?

EDIT: I have since updated my chipset so everything should be up to date, and we'll see what this does.

 

[catachresis]

Windows ACPI has become very advanced and creates many 'virtual' IRQs for all the various devices detected as being connected to the motherboard. However, older audio cards and some pro models require that the audio card be assigned its own autonomous IRQ -- not a 'virtual' IRQ that could be shared with other devices. For instance, I found that after I'd updated to Windows 2000 SP3, my pc would not run a Turtle Beach Santa Cruz pci audio card without freezing. I reinstalled windows and -- hitting 'F5' -- installed the system as a 'Standard PC' with ACPI not running, and the Santa Cruz card works. Unfortunately, I'm about getting to the point where I'd upgrade the audio card just to get full ACPI functionality.

All that stuff about AMD chipsets not working with video is hoowee at this point. Check with Creative's faqs and other online sources.

 

[AdamWill]

Just a technical note - APIC is the technology that does virtual interrupt allocation, not ACPI. The two are related and often confused, for obvious reasons

 

[catachresis]

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Originally Posted by AdamWill Just a technical note - APIC is the technology that does virtual interrupt allocation, not ACPI. The two are related and often confused, for obvious reasons

You're right, Adam. Thanks for the correction.

 

[irchel]

the problem isnt about AMD, its about the VIA chipsets. Some are really bad in compatibility. SIS and most Nforce cause no problems.

 

[BodiesOfLight]

My chipset is northbridge VIA K8T800 Pro and south brindge VT8237.

I have a ASUS A8V Socket 939 VIA K8T800 Pro ATX AMD Motherboard.

I seem to have everything under control with the updates and my chipsets are newer, but if I get anymore problems when I install this new video card (Radeon 9600 of some sort) I'm going to ffffflip. I DO NOT want to look into getting another motherboard, this has AGP slot and that's all I need, I'd have to get a one with PCIe and I'd have to get another video card..

 

[catachresis]

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Originally Posted by BodiesOfLight My chipset is northbridge VIA K8T800 Pro and south brindge VT8237. I have a ASUS A8V Socket 939 VIA K8T800 Pro ATX AMD Motherboard. I seem to have everything under control with the updates and my chipsets are newer, but if I get anymore problems when I install this new video card (Radeon 9600 of some sort) I'm going to ffffflip. I DO NOT want to look into getting another motherboard, this has AGP slot and that's all I need, I'd have to get a one with PCIe and I'd have to get another video card..

Hey Bodies, you have every good reason to expect that a Radeon 9600 card ought to install just fine on your VIA AGP board. You might want to make sure that your power supply is at least 300 Watts -- that might or might not influence compatability. If you need to do a mobo/cpu/vid card upgrade in the future, I'm sure there are people here who can help get something cheap configured. In the mean time, don't use the ATI drivers that come with your vid card -- download the most recent ATI Radeon drivers. I don't think you require the associated control panel, but it won't hurt.

 

[BodiesOfLight]

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Originally Posted by catachresis Hey Bodies, you have every good reason to expect that a Radeon 9600 card ought to install just fine on your VIA AGP board. You might want to make sure that your power supply is at least 300 Watts -- that might or might not influence compatability. If you need to do a mobo/cpu/vid card upgrade in the future, I'm sure there are people here who can help get something cheap configured. In the mean time, don't use the ATI drivers that come with your vid card -- download the most recent ATI Radeon drivers. I don't think you require the associated control panel, but it won't hurt.

I'm good as far as PS, I have a 350W (actual 350W). Should I be able to download everything I need that would be included on the disc?

 

[lini]

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Originally Posted by irchel the problem isnt about AMD, its about the VIA chipsets. Some are really bad in compatibility. SIS and most Nforce cause no problems.

Hmmm, yup, VIAs interrupt (re)routing has been a crux since.. oh well, at least back to the Apollo MVP3. But there were several not so golden SIS chipsets, either (though I'm still a big fan of the SIS496 for 486 cpus

) - some need a patch for USB 2.0 for example. Regarding Nvidia's nForce4, I'm so far only aware that the board manufacturers needed to provide upgraded BIOSes in order to be compatible with Creative's X-Fi cards.

Greetings from Hannover!

Manfred / lini

 

[BodiesOfLight]

After further research I've found that VIA chipsets were bad from KT400 back, from then forward they got better, and I have a newer chipset, so that's definitely relieving.