Rotel/B&W/Paradigm Combos and Questions

Apr 25, 2005 at 5:54 AM Thread Starter Post #1 of 12

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Hello, I have read that Rotel/B&W Speakers are great. Also a pair of Paradigms would mate good.

For be exact, I was thinking in these combos:

Rotel RSDX-02

B&W Speakers DM303, LCR3, ASW500

Or:

Rotel RSDX-02
Paradigm Cinema™ 70 CT

And my questions are, would the B&W really make a difference over the Paradigm's? (For the average person (A.K.A my dad, he pays it)).

I'm sure it will do a difference, but I'm not sure how much, if it would do much, what would be that difference? (Bass, distortion, etc)

And also would my dad, an average person, notice a real difference from Rotel - Paradigm Combo to a Bo**, So** that? I'm sure that he would, but do you think the same? And in what exacly of the sound would make the large difference for you?

Thanks,

Luis
 
Apr 26, 2005 at 4:25 PM Post #2 of 12
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Originally Posted by Help
Hello, I have read that Rotel/B&W Speakers are great. Also a pair of Paradigms would mate good.

For be exact, I was thinking in these combos:

Rotel RSDX-02

B&W Speakers DM303, LCR3, ASW500

Or:

Rotel RSDX-02
Paradigm Cinema™ 70 CT

And my questions are, would the B&W really make a difference over the Paradigm's? (For the average person (A.K.A my dad, he pays it)).

I'm sure it will do a difference, but I'm not sure how much, if it would do much, what would be that difference? (Bass, distortion, etc)

And also would my dad, an average person, notice a real difference from Rotel - Paradigm Combo to a Bo**, So** that? I'm sure that he would, but do you think the same? And in what exacly of the sound would make the large difference for you?

Thanks,

Luis



Well, I'm sure I'll get flamed from this, but based on auditions---which are affected by all sorts of things, I know---I think B&Ws are better-sounding speakers.

B&Ws are sensitive to amp matching. Rotel and B&W are distributed by the same company, and I've read that Rotel amps are voiced to match well with B&Ws. My experience supports this: I recently upgraded my integrated from an NAD C320BEE to a Rotel RA-1062 (I own B&W 602.5 floorstanders). The comparison may be apples and oranges---the Rotel cost nearly twice as much---but no more trouble with tweeter ringing.

Jeffery
 
Apr 26, 2005 at 10:39 PM Post #3 of 12
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Originally Posted by JefferyK
Well, I'm sure I'll get flamed from this, but based on auditions---which are affected by all sorts of things, I know---I think B&Ws are better-sounding speakers.

B&Ws are sensitive to amp matching. Rotel and B&W are distributed by the same company, and I've read that Rotel amps are voiced to match well with B&Ws. My experience supports this: I recently upgraded my integrated from an NAD C320BEE to a Rotel RA-1062 (I own B&W 602.5 floorstanders). The comparison may be apples and oranges---the Rotel cost nearly twice as much---but no more trouble with tweeter ringing.

Jeffery



Thanks. Yes BW Should be better, even I'm comparing them with more expensive models. What I wonder is, if I get BW than Paradigms, what I would expect of difference or what difference of quality I'm looking for by getting BW.
 
Apr 26, 2005 at 10:51 PM Post #4 of 12
I used to sell all of these products and can say that the Paradigms are great for the money. I think they are one of the best values out there. But we are talking about home theater right? I will say that you are throwing way to much amp at them though. They are meant for 95% home theater and would not use them as an audio only sytem ever. I would still highly recommend them for an entry level HT. Paradigm has wonderful speakers all the way to the top and would choose them over B&W any day. Don't get me wrong, I love the B&W Nautilus line, but would take the Paradigm Signature line any day over them. Or buy the Reference line at less than a third the price of the B&W's and throw the cash at something else upline of them.

I know this is a little off topic from your original question, but in Headfi you must cover your ass or the thread turns into one big mess. What I would suggest is looking at a PDR8 or 10 depending on room size and a set of ADP-150 surrounds with a CC150 center and which ever of the Monitor series that tickle your fancy for the fronts. The Mini Monitors are a great value, but the monitor 5 is my favorite in the line. It will cost you more than double for the speakers, but it will give you quadruple the sound! This is the system that we ran in my house for home theater powered by NAD. I think the Rotel is nice gear, but the NAD is more my flavour.

If this surround sounds out of your budget, you may want to reconsider the Rotel which will be stangled by the little Cinema 70's. Money is best spent on speakers first in a HT set up. With the ever changing surround technology, you can by twice the amp(and bells and whistles) next year for the same price as the one you are looking at this years. Good speakers however are a better investment. Buy once is what I always say! Also, the Monitor series from Paradigm is into a new version this year with a redesigned crossover that is a marked improvement over the previos generation.

I hope I answered more questions than I created. Another tip: If the retail price on speakers is $1000, it is very likely that the mark up is over $400. Shop around and then hit the place that sells everything you want and tell them simply, "I will buy right now and not waste your time if you give me the best deal possible." Most salesman would rather make a little bit of money quickly than waste half a day with someone sitting on a fence. Those cinema 70 kits are around 100% or 50 points on mark up. The reason why I mention this is that you may be able to get the Monitor set-up I mention for only a little more than the little guys. You just may feel a little guilty when you leave. I wouldn't feel guilty though because almost every successful salesman is trying to get you to pay as much as possible. It is a game for them as well as a career. If he gets you at full pop the first thing he will do is wait until you leave and then high five his buddy and say, "I got them at full pop!" Then he will get his calculator out and see how much YOU just made him. This is why I had to leave commisioned sales. I made good money and slept well at night, but the other guys hated me for not having to cheat people to make good bucks. Makes for a bad work environment. Good luck with your shopping and make sure that the Monitors are the NEW version, not old stock. The crossover and related components is a BIG deal.

Any saleman are welcome to PM me with their blasting remarks. No one else has to hear complaints!

David
 
Apr 26, 2005 at 11:20 PM Post #5 of 12
If you can, listen to both speakers first. I haven't heard Paradigm, but I have heard some higher-end B&W, and thought they sounded decent but not great (especially considering the price). The less expensive models might be better values, if the Rotel does pair well w/ them as a few have said. There's a ton of choices, especially in the lower price ranges, and only considering two big brand-names usually won't give you the best value.
 
Apr 27, 2005 at 2:48 AM Post #6 of 12
Thanks again, for state, yes it will be an HT system. I heard that the monitor series are much better by the way but not about the new version. Who will pay this stuff is my dad, so he told me. Max $2500. And maybe, but really maybe $2900. And his condition is small and better than Bose. (He told me like that)
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I also took in account Arcam, but where I will get this stuff, that is out of this city. Probably going there in the next 2 weeks. It's a authorized distributor of Rotel, Paradigm and BW. So I will be able to hear them, but I wanted to ask here. Because yes, maybe salesmen will play with me. About NAD, it seems really cool, too but I'm not sure where can I get them. And the authorized distributor stuff I think that is important. BTW, also NAD AV receivers are large for my dad. Damn.

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I know this is a little off topic from your original question, but in Headfi you must cover your ass or the thread turns into one big mess. What I would suggest is looking at a PDR8 or 10 depending on room size and a set of ADP-150 surrounds with a CC150 center and which ever of the Monitor series that tickle your fancy for the fronts. The Mini Monitors are a great value, but the monitor 5 is my favorite in the line. It will cost you more than double for the speakers, but it will give you quadruple the sound! This is the system that we ran in my house for home theater powered by NAD. I think the Rotel is nice gear, but the NAD is more my flavour.


I didn't got very well about quadruple of the sound, it would sound better or more aloud?
 
Apr 27, 2005 at 11:21 AM Post #7 of 12
You could look at the Cinema 90 or 110 if size is the main consideration. Or even go with in-wall type speakers which will disappear completely. The Rotel is a nice amp, NAD is just a tad warmer. Both are great performers.
 
Apr 28, 2005 at 2:54 AM Post #8 of 12
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Originally Posted by rodentmacbeastie
You could look at the Cinema 90 or 110 if size is the main consideration. Or even go with in-wall type speakers which will disappear completely. The Rotel is a nice amp, NAD is just a tad warmer. Both are great performers.


I will check them out, but of what I have seen I guess 110 doesn't sound too well.
 
Apr 28, 2005 at 4:29 AM Post #10 of 12
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Originally Posted by rodentmacbeastie
Could be, I have not heard the 110. Only the 90 and 70. The other one was coming out just as I was quitting.


Does the 90 sounds better in sound quality or is just aloud?
 

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