Rio Nitrus: Good, but not great

Dec 3, 2003 at 6:09 PM Thread Starter Post #1 of 12

austonia

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I received a Rio Nitrus yesterday and have been playing with it since.

The Bad
- Volume buttons are awful. tiny, close together, no "click" when you depress them, they wiggle, and generally feel cheap and prone to failure. What's really dumb is that there is a nice big thumb scroller that has absolutely no function while a track is playing. This should control volume, or at least, as an option. I am trying to get Rio to add this by posting on riovolution.com where several Rio engineers frequent. Would be a huge improvement.
- Sound quality is acceptable, but nothing to brag about. I had the same experience with the Karma. You basically need to use the EQ to make it sound decent. After EQ'ing up the midrange I find a much better experience. On other players I prefer to never use an EQ.
- There is some light crackle between tracks. That includes when left alone playing and when forwarding to the next or previous track. It is noticable.
- Power output is not as strong as I would like. I usually have the level set between 17 and 20, out of 20. You can however use the EQ to jack up the audio level as much as 10db in any of 5 bands. I find this compensates OK when I want more volume. Keep in mind I like to listen to music Loud for a more enveloping experience.
- Rio software is required. Rio Music Manager isn't terrible, but its not great either. With my iPod and iTunes, I can simply drag and drop from Explorer to iTunes and it will load to the iPod. With RMM, that is not possible. First it must scan all your music locations and then you can transfer to and from Nitrus with RMM only. Scanning took about 2 hours for 31k tracks. In comparison, my PC mp3 manager software (Dapyx) can scan all in about half that time. I have heard that with Microsoft Powertoys plug-inm this allows drag and dropping to Nitrus from Explorer.
- MP3 and WMA codecs only. Rio engineers have stated there is no demand for additional codecs on this player and there will not be any additions made to it.
- Rio Taxi program is required for transferring data files to the player. Some players like iPod need a program for loading music but not for loading data. Nitrus and Karma need apps for all uploading and downloading to the players.

The Good
- Damn small and light. Not even noticeable in your pocket. Less then half the weight of an iPod, and the difference is definately noticable. I got this unit primarily for gym use and other activities. I have used the iPod at the gym, and its just too bulky and heavy for nylon gym shorts.
- Screen is great. not huge, but big enough and detailed. a definate improvement over competing micro-players like Creative Muvo2.
- Riostick and the scroll wheel for control and selecting are both effective and easy to use.
- Battery life is incredible at 15-18 hours.
- Stlying. Personally, i love the design. The wedge shape is perfect for pockets. Black is my preferred color (or absence therof). The form is simple and efficient (with the exception of the badly placed, badly implemented volume buttons).
- Sound quality is acceptable with a few tweaks.
- 5-band parametric EQ for customizing. You need it, too.
- Extra features include Bookmark and Stopwatch functions.

Overall
I like it, and it was a good purchase ($130 AR over Turkery Day weekend from Buy.com) for me. Rio got it about 90% right on this player, and it should be a fine solution for active use. However, I cannot suggest this as someone's primary MP3 player. There are too many little issues and there are better sounding players out there. I do think it is a great "other" MP3 player for anyone's collection, if you are willing to make the additional investment... it is fairly cheap as these things go.
 
Dec 3, 2003 at 7:06 PM Post #2 of 12
Are you running the latest firmware?

I don't really use the EQ on this. I don't feel I need it but then that's my preference. Maybe you like the midrange more?

>>>I have heard that with Microsoft Powertoys plug-inm this allows drag and dropping to Nitrus from Explorer.

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>>>>- Riostick and the scroll wheel for control and selecting are both effective and easy to use.

I kind of find the stick annoying. I much prefer buttons to fast forward, rewind, etc.
 
Dec 6, 2003 at 12:17 AM Post #5 of 12
austonia, I have a question for you. Do you regret selling your iFP-390t? Do you feel the Rio Nitrus does a better job than iRiver? I realize the iFP-3xx and iFP-5xx series use USB 1.1 which is quite slow...but other than that is there any reason to get the Nitrus? Ignoring price.

And I read about firmware updates for the iRiver players so that they can support Ogg...is this out yet?
 
Dec 6, 2003 at 1:11 AM Post #6 of 12
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And I read about firmware updates for the iRiver players so that they can support Ogg...is this out yet?


currently only iHP has OGG firmware update. other models should come sometime later
 
Dec 6, 2003 at 1:35 AM Post #7 of 12
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Originally posted by ProFingerSk8er
currently only iHP has OGG firmware update. other models should come sometime later


Fudgesticks. Soon you think though? Where did they announce this?
 
Dec 6, 2003 at 2:44 AM Post #8 of 12
Austonia,
I'm with Rizumu, how does the nitrus compare to the ifp-300 series players? I realize that it's USB 1.1, but other than that, your former review seems to indicate that you found the 300 series to be better.
 
Dec 10, 2003 at 12:15 AM Post #9 of 12
I have owned both the IFP-390T and the Rio Nitrus for at least two weeks. I returned the IFP because I preferred the CW200 and returned the Nitrus because I opted for the IHP-120.

Both the IFP and Nitrus are good players. My main problems with the IFP concerned its shape, buttons, and joystick. Because the joystick could be easily bumped, I had to keep it on hold which is inconvenient. My CW200 is rarely on hold. I had difficulty figuring out where to keep the IFP. Pockets were inconvenient because I had to remove the IFP to operate it and because of its shape. Dangling from my belt was annoying as it swung and bounced as I walked. The included belt loop case was unsuitable for a waist belt. The very light CW200 clipped to my shirt pocket.

I liked the Nitrus because I could easily pocket it and operate it in my pocket by feel (volume changes, song changes). The eraser joystick is not as easily bumped as the IFP's. I really liked the bookmarking system to bookmark my audio books. With E888s and EX71s, I had no problem with volume levels.

With the $120 price on the Rio Nitrus, I decided to get another Nitrus just for my books. This was too good a deal to pass up.
 
Dec 11, 2003 at 2:14 AM Post #10 of 12
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Originally posted by utdeep
Austonia,
I'm with Rizumu, how does the nitrus compare to the ifp-300 series players? I realize that it's USB 1.1, but other than that, your former review seems to indicate that you found the 300 series to be better.


iFP-390T
better sound quality
short delay between tracks
lots of options, including radio, line-in recording to MP3, voice recording
better amp than nitrus, powered Ety's just fine
never had to use EQ
great battery life, AA battery replaceable
sloooow transfers are painful, hated it
no software, drivers required
screen small but detailed
full compliment of accessories in retail package
storage capacity very low (256mb)
joystick is easy to bump, need to use button lock frequently

Nitrus
great shape, better fit for pocket
sound quality is adequate, not great
crackle between tracks is annoying
delay of 1-3 seconds between tracks
no recording, no radio
amp is powerful enough for EX71, but not for Ety's
have to use Custom EQ to bring out mids
great battery life, but built-in
faster transfers than USB1, but not nearly as fast as iPod
requires software, drivers which are tolerable, but not great
good size screen, relatively.
scroll wheel controller nice for navigation
no accessories in retail package
volume control buttons are hard to press, have wiggle
fair amount of storage (1.5gb)
joystick is pretty firm, don't usually need to use button-lock

the Nitrus is a decent alternative, giving me more storage and faster transfers and better form, what I was looking for. I do miss the iFP's better sound quality and strong amp, and extra features. Too bad iRiver did not come out with a good micro-jukebox (I don't like the iGP-100)
 
Dec 11, 2003 at 8:29 PM Post #12 of 12
Buy.com still has it for $139 including shipping (with rebates). They are out of stock but I expect that they will get new stock in soon. Every other online retailer seems to have them in stock, so there seems to be no shortage out there.
 

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