Niche Market PHDP: Doable, Difficult, Impossible?

Feb 6, 2005 at 8:42 PM Thread Starter Post #1 of 8

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I posted this as an afterthought to Tyll H.'s Mall-fi thread before realizing I ought to make my points here.

Here's my original post:
I tend to think Heff-die members (and all others who care) should blitzkrieg iRiver with email and letters insisting they bring back the optical out. Either that, or someone needs to do deep research into the creation of a niche portable player to be manufactured in small numbers by a niche manufacturer -- a PHDP that offers optical ins/outs and other perks not grinned upon by Sony and other RIAA-licking corpse orations.
I recall Dr. Xin speaking of designing his own version of an mp3 player, though I'm not certain what happened to his prototype-in-progress. There has also been a DIY mp3 flash player proposed here. No, it doesn't have any of the enhancements or features I've mentioned. But it does suggest that building an audiophile-friendly player might not be impossible.
 
Feb 7, 2005 at 9:30 AM Post #3 of 8
It's quite possible but it's a lot of work, time and money. Look at it this way - there ARE plenty of portable HDD players on the market and I would imagine a fair bit of them were done by small companies. Unfortunately, it shows. It isn't a big deal to get something working in a lab. But to get it actually useable, it takes far more time and money. Just look at iRiver - it looks as an engineering prototype next to iPod. I got iRiver for optical out, after using iPod for 2 years. Yesterday, after half a year, I got fed up, had enough of it and bought a new iPod again. I want to listen to music, not fumble with buttons. It really looks like something a bunch of engineers hacked together and released, once they were satisfied that it works. That's not a way to get a useful product.

As someone who was toying with the idea back then, it's not worth it. Keep asking big manufacturers to include optical out, that's really the only way to have a chance of having a player with one.
 
Feb 7, 2005 at 1:02 PM Post #4 of 8
i also decided on the 'old' iriver (h140) because of the optical in/out and fear that it could well be the last ever phdp with that - scrypt's strangely beautiful flowery style almost made me write orifice - feature.

is it technically possible for some aftermarket company to produce optical outs as accessory - like the add-on analog out available for the ipod? or is that just a silly idea?
 
Feb 7, 2005 at 1:15 PM Post #5 of 8
Quote:

Originally Posted by Riordan
is it technically possible for some aftermarket company to produce optical outs as accessory - like the add-on analog out available for the ipod? or is that just a silly idea?


It depends on if the dock connector on the iPod actually has pins for some type of PCM or S/PDIF signal...
 
Feb 7, 2005 at 1:36 PM Post #6 of 8
Hmm, i wonder if a breakout cable is possible from the ipod's proprietary port on the bottom of the actual ipod. Or using the firewire port...
 
Feb 9, 2005 at 7:50 AM Post #7 of 8
Aos:

Quote:

Originally Posted by aos
I got iRiver for optical out, after using iPod for 2 years. Yesterday, after half a year, I got fed up, had enough of it and bought a new iPod again. I want to listen to music, not fumble with buttons. It really looks like something a bunch of engineers hacked together and released, once they were satisfied that it works.


Your experience with iRiver is understandable, but it doesn't mirror mine. Design issues aside, I borrowed a friend's 120 last year and was favorably impressed. The slow transfer time with my hoary G4 was rather an issue, but the optical out worked quite well, as did recording for my purposes (taping live environments and sounds for manipulation rather than extended concerts). If the 120 were still available new, I'd buy it immediate mot.

Yes, the gui is pointlessly cluttered. (Do we need to see the bitrate of a file as we're listening on-the-gnat? Who hears a difference of 30kbps while riding in a crowded subway car? Why do mp3 player manufacturers not put the bitrate on an information subpage?) But I'd rather err on the side of deep sub-menus than settle for a lack of options.

Another t'ing: I prefer the 120's design to that of the newer iRivers, which seem unnecessarily shiny and formica-table-chunk stylized.

Also: Might not there exist two other malnourished possibilities for an audiophile-oriented PHDP? One would be to interest a high-end design-oriented audiophile company. With its Qualia line, Sony would be a likely possibility but for their mania to cripple. If only Thiel or Mark Levinson were interested.

The other far-fetched possibility would be to enlist a modifications specialist. Unfortunately, enhancing the iPod itself with internal improvements would be nearly impossible. You'd probably have to design a larger case (thus destroying consumers' chief reason for buying the Apple eidolon), which could perhaps be manufactured by one of many third-party hard case companies (the iPod Armor foonts, for instance). All of that would be an impossible investment, especially considering that the iPod would change by the time the enhancements were perfected.

I've already written to iRiver requesting a return to the optical in/out. I expect I'll have received a form email by the time I check my mailbox.

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Originally Posted by gloco
Hmm, i wonder if a breakout cable is possible from the ipod's proprietary port on the bottom of the actual ipod. Or using the firewire port...


This is such a good idea that I tend to think it must not be possible. I can't imagine third parties would have failed to implement it.

On the nether hind, a lot of us would be euphoric if someone proved me wrong. (The purchase line starts here.)
 
Feb 9, 2005 at 8:00 AM Post #8 of 8
The new iRiver H10 mini-HD players have a proprietary connector on the bottom for connecting to the dock.

Since the dock contains line in/out connectors, would that not mean there is a digital signal being fed through the port on the bottom that could be transformed into some sort of SPDIF/out connection?


edit: I guess the dock is most likely not going to have a DAC in it, so the feed is probably analog. :\
 

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